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Hey there Folks, Thank you in advance for the help! I'm a relative newbie when it comes to overclocking and I've tried to search for this information before posting here (apologies if this is answered elsewhere!). I purchased a 2080 TI FTW3 ULTRA which is running quite well (initially was triggering Asus's Anti-Surge feature when overclocking, found PSU at fault).
I wanted to ask for opinion and advice as to whether purchasing a hybrid AIO kit for it would be worth it given: 1. I can push up to +160 on the core (currently stabilizes at ~2070-2085) with temperature maximums of ~75 degrees. The thing I wanted to ask is---as I've seen others with similar increases pushing ~2200+ stable (here and other forums)---whether the temperature would be restricting the core speed (compared to those other people)? Or is this just silicon lottery? :) I haven't touched the voltage slider, but have set the power limit to the maximum of 124 (temp 88), core +160 and memory at +600. CPU: i7-5775c @4.2ghz and 1.4v (NH-D15), Corsair 750d with 2 fans for intake and 1 rear exhaust (sorry, not sure what else could be relevant). As the hybrid kit is pretty expensive, i just wanted to ask you all whether if I did purchase the hybrid kit and obtained lower temps, would make much of a difference in increased core speeds? P.S** -- Does this also make much of an FPS difference in gaming? I play on a 4k TV and although I've read the difference isn't much ... some games just average over ~60 fps and I wouldn't mind the increase, especially to FPS minimums.
Thank you kindly, John.
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Re: General Query About Overclocking & Cooling
2019/04/08 20:48:44
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☄ Helpfulby yipskiddlydoo 2019/04/09 18:28:36
yipskiddlydoo Hey there Folks, Thank you in advance for the help! I'm a relative newbie when it comes to overclocking and I've tried to search for this information before posting here (apologies if this is answered elsewhere!). I purchased a 2080 TI FTW3 ULTRA which is running quite well (initially was triggering Asus's Anti-Surge feature when overclocking, found PSU at fault).
I wanted to ask for opinion and advice as to whether purchasing a hybrid AIO kit for it would be worth it given: 1. I can push up to +160 on the core (currently stabilizes at ~2070-2085) with temperature maximums of ~75 degrees. The thing I wanted to ask is---as I've seen others with similar increases pushing ~2200+ stable (here and other forums)---whether the temperature would be restricting the core speed (compared to those other people)? Or is this just silicon lottery? :) I haven't touched the voltage slider, but have set the power limit to the maximum of 124 (temp 88), core +160 and memory at +600. CPU: i7-5775c @4.2ghz and 1.4v (NH-D15), Corsair 750d with 2 fans for intake and 1 rear exhaust (sorry, not sure what else could be relevant). As the hybrid kit is pretty expensive, i just wanted to ask you all whether if I did purchase the hybrid kit and obtained lower temps, would make much of a difference in increased core speeds? P.S** -- Does this also make much of an FPS difference in gaming? I play on a 4k TV and although I've read the difference isn't much ... some games just average over ~60 fps and I wouldn't mind the increase, especially to FPS minimums.
Thank you kindly, John.
Getting a hybrid will decrease your GPU's temps and possibly lessen the audibles, dependent on fans speed and if you have coil whine. It can effect OC's for the better but you're not guaranteed anything as every silicon has it's own characteristics but I don't see why you wouldn't gain anything from it but it won't be anything substantial. At the end of the day, it comes up to you and possibly some reviews could help you sway one direction or the other. I should note some have complained about pump noise with these hybrid kits so it's possible you might get one and possibly have to deal with RMA otherwise it would be good to go or you could also go with a 3rd party aftermarket GPU bracket like the G12 from NZXT with your own choice of AIO coolers (120mm/240mm) from NZXT or Corsair as the bracket has a pretty good compatibility listing you should check up on over here if interested.
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Re: General Query About Overclocking & Cooling
2019/04/08 21:32:17
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Thank you kindly for the information, it is very much appreciated! I will do more research and review further, and will also look into the options from NZXT/Corsair that you have mentioned also before making any decisions. Kind regards! John
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Re: General Query About Overclocking & Cooling
2019/04/08 21:52:47
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☄ Helpfulby yipskiddlydoo 2019/04/09 18:28:39
I have both and the Hybrid pump noise is inaudible to me (maybe I'm just lucky). I run Seti at Home and with the air cooled the card will run at 2100 MHz (sometimes) and with the Hybrid it runs at 2175 MHz (again sometimes). Low end the air cooled runs at 1920 MHz and the Hybrid at 2025 MHz running Seti. Interestingly the Hybrid when overclocked and idling runs at 1350 MHz not running Seti ![](https://forums.evga.com/upfiles/smiley/confused1.gif) and the air cooled at 300 MHz. I bought the EVGA Hydro Copper but won't install it until fall. That should be interesting.
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Re: General Query About Overclocking & Cooling
2019/04/09 13:54:15
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☄ Helpfulby yipskiddlydoo 2019/04/09 18:28:43
The simple answer is yes. A hybrid cooler will help you maintain higher oc's as long as you aren't running into any other limits such a power.
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Re: General Query About Overclocking & Cooling
2019/04/09 18:30:55
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Thank you to you all for the helpful insight and information, again, it is very much appreciated! Shall stick with what I have for now, rather than chase the extra few % :) (If I can get this Deepcool FH-10 Fan Hub to work with the GPU header, I will be stoked) Kind regards, have a great day guys.
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Re: General Query About Overclocking & Cooling
2019/04/09 22:24:49
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Keep in mind that a game running at 60FPS at 4K might not see a huge increase in frames. 10% higher frames per second is only going to be 66FPS. That said it does make a difference when it drops below 60FPS. It's also important to realize that some games just don't really improve with overclocking that much if at all. I am mostly saying this since I have seen some people think it's going to be a big improvement and are disappointed when it's really not that much. That said though overclocking is a free performance boost and as long as you slowly increase speeds to find what is stable it's pretty safe. If you mostly play just one game though it's best to read how well the game handles an overclock to see if it's really worth it. As for going for water cooling lower temps are always good and it can increase what you can get out of the card performance wise.
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Re: General Query About Overclocking & Cooling
2019/04/22 22:01:19
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Hey there Hoggle, Many thanks for the detail and response!
I wanted to ask you all again (sorry If I don't get this yet), whether for example: - I can run at +160 core max stability, and the voltage curve in Afterburner shows the curve at a maximum core of 2130mhz at 1.062 to 1.093 volts. Would this then mean that this card would only be able to boost to 2130mhz, regardless of water cooling? As i'm reading the interpreting the curve as: at maximum voltage, this card can only reach 2130mhz (from 1.062 to 1.092) due to silicon lottery. (I see it spike to 2130mhz when I first run a benchmark/game and can slowly watch it decrease to around ~2050mhz when temps stabilize around 73 degrees celsius). Thank you kindly! Debating the Hybrid Kit OR looking into complete watercooling, and really debating whether the cost would be worth it! Kind regards!
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Re: General Query About Overclocking & Cooling
2019/04/22 22:14:54
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Complete water cooling!! All day everyday.
Lower the temps the better the card will clock and thats for every card for since the beginning of time I bet hehe.
Lower temps from custom loop over aio.
Think big rad.. 360 or 480. Or multipal rads. Whatever you can fit. Get a bigger case if needed.
It's really unbelievable really the difference really running a card at 30-40c compared to 50-60+c.
Its makes a huge difference. And I seen that just last night with the ftw3 2080ti ultra I had.
Before on air i couldnt find anything stable overclocking wise.. maybe 2050 max voltage. Slapped a water block on and bam 2205 benchable. 2190 hours and hours of gaming. Low temps of 38-39c. Hit 40c and it would drop to 2175.
Last night tested the card again on air as I was returning it. Bam.. cant find anything stable under 2100! Here I thought it was a fluke and I just got better at tweaking with water.. nope! Same overclocking method and cant get crap at 50-60c!
These cards are HOT and need to be under 40c to open up.
Only way to get that is with custom loop and a big rad.. I used a 60mm thick ek ex 480 rad push/pull setup.. single loop. CPU on another loop.
Good time to invest in a custom loop setup. Can reuse just about everything in the future besides your tubing so buy the good stuff.. get a d5 pump as well.. strong quiet pump that should last you many years from now if not a decade.
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Re: General Query About Overclocking & Cooling
2019/04/22 22:14:55
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☄ Helpfulby yipskiddlydoo 2019/04/22 22:41:58
Complete water cooling!! All day everyday.
Lower the temps the better the card will clock and thats for every card for since the beginning of time I bet hehe.
Lower temps from custom loop over aio.
Think big rad.. 360 or 480. Or multipal rads. Whatever you can fit. Get a bigger case if needed.
It's really unbelievable really the difference really running a card at 30-40c compared to 50-60+c.
Its makes a huge difference. And I seen that just last night with the ftw3 2080ti ultra I had.
Before on air i couldnt find anything stable overclocking wise.. maybe 2050 max voltage. Slapped a water block on and bam 2205 benchable. 2190 hours and hours of gaming. Low temps of 38-39c. Hit 40c and it would drop to 2175.
Last night tested the card again on air as I was returning it. Bam.. cant find anything stable under 2100! Here I thought it was a fluke and I just got better at tweaking with water.. nope! Same overclocking method and cant get crap at 50-60c!
These cards are HOT and need to be under 40c to open up.
Only way to get that is with custom loop and a big rad.. I used a 60mm thick ek ex 480 rad push/pull setup.. single loop. CPU on another loop.
Good time to invest in a custom loop setup. Can reuse just about everything in the future besides your tubing so buy the good stuff.. get a d5 pump as well.. strong quiet pump that should last you many years from now if not a decade.
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Re: General Query About Overclocking & Cooling
2019/04/22 22:27:29
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73c is to high to maintain any core clock (2130 MHz), usually to maintain core clock stability you want to keep your GPU temp below 60c and even 50c if possible. Just my opinion, cooler is better, way cooler is way better. ![](https://forums.evga.com/upfiles/smiley/001_cool.gif) If you want to see what a hybrid cooler (better cooling) may do, just lower your ambient room temp 25c with open case and great air flow with your existing oem fan cooler. If the benchmarks and game results are better with better heat dissipation, cooling and higher core clocks than you can justify a much better 240 - 280 mm clc for the card. Give it test, and let us know your results. I think you will be surprised, and there will be a hybrid cooler purchase in your future.
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Re: General Query About Overclocking & Cooling
2019/04/22 22:44:40
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Hey there AHowes, Many thanks for the information and your experiences! It's really good to know and shows that I my thoughts were incorrect hahah, I will really look into water cooling now. It looks quite fun, especially the setup and finished results. I'll do some more reading and research on it. Thank you also to TwoEvilOne, I will do so and post my results here. Thanks again for your help guys, it is very much appreciated!
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Re: General Query About Overclocking & Cooling
2019/04/23 01:02:47
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yipskiddlydoo It looks quite fun, especially the setup and finished results. I'll do some more reading and research on it.
Yes, please do lots of research before purchasing anything. I'll post a great video below to get you started.
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Re: General Query About Overclocking & Cooling
2019/04/29 14:58:40
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Hi there Folks, Just wanted to give an update as I went with the hybrid kit rather than a full custom cooling set-up (will do that another time). First time ever installing an AIO. Before: Core +160, Memory +800w. ~2085-2100 MHz in most games. ~2025 -2050mhz in Superposition 8k. Temps for GPU up to ~75c and VRM up to 85c. Now, +160 core and +1000 memory (GTA5 has shadow flickering and checker board shadows... Can't tell if Memory OC too high?) ~2130 - 2145mhz stable in games, 55c max for GPU (GTA5 topped out at 50c after a few hours) and 45-50c for VRM temps. For some reason, not so much stuttering? I don't know who to explain it but gameplay *feels* much smoother? I use a Xbox controller and the difference was quite noticeable. It is unfortunately, loud... Sounds like a mini beer fridge as someone put it hahaha. Going to order that 4 pin GPU to PWM fan adapter to try and set the pump to 80-85% and update. P.S. Rad is push pull mounted at the front with the hoses of the radiator at the bottom (was the other way around initially). All in all, happy. If I could fix the droning pump noise I'd be one happy guy :) Thank you again to everyone for your help throughout!!!
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Re: General Query About Overclocking & Cooling
2019/04/29 15:24:21
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☄ Helpfulby yipskiddlydoo 2019/04/29 16:41:53
Artifacts can be associated with memory over clocks. So I would start there with the "checker boarding"
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Re: General Query About Overclocking & Cooling
2019/04/29 15:31:04
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☄ Helpfulby yipskiddlydoo 2019/04/29 16:41:56
Lower the mem clock back to stock and check the game. That will tell ya everything.
Core overclock may rise also.. find max clock then find max mem and leave it a clock down from max for stability. But usually one cant go near max at max GPU clock. It's a power balance.
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Re: General Query About Overclocking & Cooling
2019/04/29 17:19:35
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Hey there Zeddivile and AHowes, Thanks for the advice, I will do so! Figured that since that every other game so far was working fine... that it might be the game lol. I'll try revert back to stock then push back up. I've also attached a photo of the rad set-up, sorry to ask, if you guys don't mind, would it be okay to give any pointers/criticism where it could be improved if I've done anything wrong (set-up for example)? Thank you kindly, have a great day to you both.
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Re: General Query About Overclocking & Cooling
2019/05/01 13:32:35
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Temps look good and your image looks just fine. Glad it all worked out.
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Re: General Query About Overclocking & Cooling
2019/05/01 17:30:40
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Hey Jack, Thank you :) The pump noise I had was substantial initially, however, seems to have died down noticeably now. I swear I saw a post somewhere where a User was facing a 100% fan issue. The only gripe I have against the hybrid kit is that the rad fans run at 100%.
Tested: EVGA stock fan only, Noctua NF-A12 Industrial Fan single and x2, splitter cable used is a Noctua one which has one end of the Y-split with only 3 pin (tachometer feedback removed). It does work if I connect the fans to the mobo. 2145mhz stable at 1.093v locked in Afterburner with fans locked to 80% via mobo (x2 NF-A12 2000rpms). Left GTA5 running overnight 8pm to 7am, woke up to 2085mhz with core temps at 62 degrees and VRM temps at 65 degrees (VRM fan locked to 80%). Overall happy, thinking to just deal with the noise. For some reason I cannot explain, there is less stuttering and gameplay feels smoother? Although the clock speed increases aren't as great as I expected hahah Guess AHowes FTW3 at 2200mhz got me hopeful! haha
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Re: General Query About Overclocking & Cooling
2019/05/01 18:27:05
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yipskiddlydoo Hey Jack, Thank you :) The pump noise I had was substantial initially, however, seems to have died down noticeably now. I swear I saw a post somewhere where a User was facing a 100% fan issue. The only gripe I have against the hybrid kit is that the rad fans run at 100%.
Tested: EVGA stock fan only, Noctua NF-A12 Industrial Fan single and x2, splitter cable used is a Noctua one which has one end of the Y-split with only 3 pin (tachometer feedback removed). It does work if I connect the fans to the mobo.
Pump noise lessening is a good sign that there were some type of air pockets possibly intruding that area until they finally moved along. Also for your Noctua fans (Nice choice for rad fans), you don't need them @ 100%. Just connect them to the MB as you said and lessen the speed/audibles to your liking and of temps.
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