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2018/02/02 18:55:47 (permalink)
Hi,
 
I'm having an issue where my computer reboots when playing most games.
 
My daughter can run Roblox or Minecraft without issues, but if I start: Dirt 3, Dirt 4, Call of Duty WWII or Grid II the system will reboot itself within 1 to 5 minutes of playing time!
 
I have tried running MemTest86 through 4 full passes and it reports zero errors on my 24 GBs of RAM.
 
Both fans are spinning on my 980 Ti FTW and I have checked GPU and CPU temps. Drivers v385.69
 
Could this be a graphics board issue or something else I should be looking at?
 
The system runs fine otherwise.
 
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Thank you for any suggestions.
post edited by WNear - 2018/02/02 18:59:35

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    Re: Games rebooting computer 2018/02/02 20:25:27 (permalink)
    That is usually a sign that your psu or gpu has a problem.
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    Re: Games rebooting computer 2018/02/02 20:48:59 (permalink)
    Sajin
    That is usually a sign that your psu or gpu has a problem.





    I have an old 580 that I could pop in over the weekend and see if it stops this issue from happening.

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    Re: Games rebooting computer 2018/02/02 21:17:02 (permalink)
    One other thing I meant to mention.
     
    When the system first boots up and I check the GPU Clock and Memory Clock speeds of the 980, they always start out at 135Mhz. and 405 Mhz. respectively. After a while, they will then go to their normal 1189MHz. and 3505 Mhz. speeds.
     
    Is this normal behavior for a 980 Ti FTW?
     
    Thanks.
     

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    Re: Games rebooting computer 2018/02/03 12:35:08 (permalink)
    Another thing you can try is if the crash causes a dump file to be created you can upload it to 
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    Re: Games rebooting computer 2018/02/03 13:07:47 (permalink)
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    One other thing I meant to mention.
     
    When the system first boots up and I check the GPU Clock and Memory Clock speeds of the 980, they always start out at 135Mhz. and 405 Mhz. respectively. After a while, they will then go to their normal 1189MHz. and 3505 Mhz. speeds.
     
    Is this normal behavior for a 980 Ti FTW?
     
    Thanks.
     


    Yup, normal.  The card downclocks when idle to conserve power and reduce heat.
     
    It sounds to me like you have a power supply issue.

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    Re: Games rebooting computer 2018/02/03 13:45:07 (permalink)
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    Another thing you can try is if the crash causes a dump file to be created you can upload it to 


    Well, it isn't crashing (as in BSOD), it's just rebooting.

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    Re: Games rebooting computer 2018/02/03 13:47:18 (permalink)
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    WNear
    One other thing I meant to mention.
     
    When the system first boots up and I check the GPU Clock and Memory Clock speeds of the 980, they always start out at 135Mhz. and 405 Mhz. respectively. After a while, they will then go to their normal 1189MHz. and 3505 Mhz. speeds.
     
    Is this normal behavior for a 980 Ti FTW?
     
    Thanks.
     

    Yup, normal.  The card downclocks when idle to conserve power and reduce heat.
     
    It sounds to me like you have a power supply issue.




    I'm going to try the 580 board in hopes that that will work fine and point me to the 980 as the issue. Last resort, I'll put my PC Power & Cooling PSU back in. This Seasonic isn't that old. :(

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    Re: Games rebooting computer 2018/02/03 15:06:20 (permalink)
    try a older driver  like 355.82   but a hard crash and reboot maybe as sajin says  ..
     
    with my card I use older period  to the cards release  drivers  ..    with all these issues popping up  lately got to wonder if the latest drivers  geared more to the latest 10 series may have some bad affect ?   I do know I try later drivers but there seems all ways some little issue and I go right back to like that 355.82  
     
    may help then may not  nothing too lose to try and see
     
    looks like you should have a top notch PSU  in the see sick sonic   thats what I use  seasonic X850w in its 3ed build .   [raid 0 is something I learned to not use after my first use of it ] any corruption its a goner  100%  or nothing but un recovery issues  .    raptors aint known for long life  matter of fact WD has not made them in quite some time now  [last ones 2012]
     
    ''splits data evenly across two or more disks, without parity information, redundancy, or fault tolerance. Since RAID 0 provides no fault tolerance or redundancy, the failure of one drive will cause the entire array to fail; as a result of having data striped across all disks, the failure will result in total data loss. This configuration is typically implemented having speed as the intended goal''
     
    un like mirror  raid  ''0''  1/2 the data is on one drive the other 1/2 is on the 2ed -- as like raid 1 / mirror  all the data is on booth drives equal the same  if one drive fails easy to recover  cause all the same data is on each drive  .
     
    so if say the data was as 1234     1-3 of the data goes on one drive and 2-4 of it on the 2ed  in a mirror [raid 1]  1234 is on each drive the same  so any corruption  in a 0 array is done for   you have to rebuild the array and start from scratch    a mirror you hot swap a new drive and keep on trucking   and that corruption in a raid -0- will could  your issue 
    post edited by Dr.Death - 2018/02/03 15:13:21
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    Re: Games rebooting computer 2018/02/03 18:07:18 (permalink)
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    One other thing I meant to mention.
     
    When the system first boots up and I check the GPU Clock and Memory Clock speeds of the 980, they always start out at 135Mhz. and 405 Mhz. respectively. After a while, they will then go to their normal 1189MHz. and 3505 Mhz. speeds.
     
    Is this normal behavior for a 980 Ti FTW?
     
    Thanks.
     


    No that isn't normal. They should stay at idle clock barring some unusual configuration.

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    Re: Games rebooting computer 2018/02/03 18:55:23 (permalink)
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    WNear
    One other thing I meant to mention.
     
    When the system first boots up and I check the GPU Clock and Memory Clock speeds of the 980, they always start out at 135Mhz. and 405 Mhz. respectively. After a while, they will then go to their normal 1189MHz. and 3505 Mhz. speeds.
     
    Is this normal behavior for a 980 Ti FTW?
     
    Thanks.
     


     
    And someone else in the thread said this was normal.
     
    I always assumed the clock and memory speeds would stay static. When I'm playing a game, they do go up to their rated settings, but sitting here right now they are very low.
    No that isn't normal. They should stay at idle clock barring some unusual configuration.





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    Re: Games rebooting computer 2018/02/03 19:25:59 (permalink)
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    WNear
    One other thing I meant to mention.
     
    When the system first boots up and I check the GPU Clock and Memory Clock speeds of the 980, they always start out at 135Mhz. and 405 Mhz. respectively. After a while, they will then go to their normal 1189MHz. and 3505 Mhz. speeds.
     
    Is this normal behavior for a 980 Ti FTW?
     
    Thanks.
     


    No that isn't normal. They should stay at idle clock barring some unusual configuration.



    Another respondent to this thread says it is normal. Now I don't know what to think.
     
    I just tried playing Dirt 3 in a window while watching my GPU temp and clock/mem speeds. While playing, my GPU never ran over 40c and my memory finally stabilized at 3505 MHz., but the Clock was all over the place and never really stable.
     
    My plan of action is to first swap the 980 out for my old 580 and leave everything else the same. If the games run fine then, is that truly an indication of the 980 being faulty or could it still somehow point to my PSU?
     
    I'm appreciative of any help in this matter.

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    Re: Games rebooting computer 2018/02/04 01:12:21 (permalink)
    While idling on the desktop with all apps closed your clocks should remain at 135/405. Yes, if your 580 runs games fine without any problems your 980 is the issue.
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    Re: Games rebooting computer 2018/02/04 06:12:15 (permalink)
    While idling on the desktop with all apps closed your clocks should remain at 135/405. Yes
     
    as long as he don't have like windows power state in performance mode for a example  that will keep the card idle at  normal idle clocking / Base Clock:1190 MHZ  and not low power stat idle clock at 135/405
     
    bad thing is he looks to have so much stuff going  to try to weed things  to pin point  ..  
     
    if me I would get a harddrive that's not critical  and  do a clean install of windows  [no need to activate it or put it on line  unless its that malware service  called 10 where you got no choice for use of that service ]   and have the cards drivers and all to test with on a pen drive   unhook all that mess and just have that single drive  hooked up and to boot to  go to desk top and install driver and what ever program /s  you want to test with and see - 
     
    that way you get a clean windows install   on 1 good drive ,  then see ..  it all clean and nothing but the cards driver  and a program or 2 to test  ..   if it still crashes as you say then you need to test the card in another solid working computer  to insure  it is the card   if the card works as expected  then you can look at something in your system outside the card at fault.
     
    you got to have some kind of process of elimination   or your just chasing your tail  and I would ditch that raid -0- 
     
     
     
    post edited by Dr.Death - 2018/02/04 06:29:57
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    Re: Games rebooting computer 2018/02/04 07:00:40 (permalink)
    Thanks, guys. I'll start with the 580 first.
     
    I have that card to use for testing and another PSU. I don't have a second computer that I could try the 980 in, unfortunately.
     
    The single hard drive and reinstalling Windows, etc. is a good suggestion, but a crapload of work. If I'm going to do a full reinstall, then I'll just do that on my existing system. I honestly haven't had RAID 0 issues and I've used it for years in multiple systems (based on Asus mobos). I do daily incremental backups to a RAID1 array and those are copied weekly over to a single HD. I lost everything (non-RAID related) a decade ago and ever since I've been very meticulous with my backup scheme.

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    Re: Games rebooting computer 2018/02/04 09:05:00 (permalink)
    crap load of work  ?  compared to what ?   screwing around with this for days  scratching your head ?    just mark the sata  cables  [you don't what to mix the raid -0- drives up in any way ]   unplug off to the side  hook a single drive up  hanging off to the side   boot and load windows   turn off  activation  in the install process  and unplug the internet to be safe   load up windows reboot to deask top install the driver and what ever test programs you have ready on a pen drive or disk  ..   pretty much  use a internal hard drive like a external  no need to mount it in a bay  and all that .
     
    one more thing you could try is a live dvd/ pen drive of Linux    and see  what it does under it ?
     
    You can download the Linux Mint operating system for free. It comes as an ISO file
    which you need to burn to a blank DVD. The liveDVD is then bootable and provides a
    fully-functional operating system which you can try without affecting your PC. In
    layman's terms, when you put Linux Mint on a DVD and place it into your computer, you
    can try it out while leaving your current system intact.
    Note: It is also possible to write the ISO image to a USB stick or other memory device and boot from that,
    or to boot from the ISO image on the hard drive, but these options are somewhat more advanced and the
    method presented here is recommended.
     
    '' I honestly haven't had RAID 0 issues and I've used it for years in multiple systems (based on Asus mobos).''  yup all it takes is the one time to learn  what rade -0- can get you  . its good if it lasts  all it takes is that one little error in just the right spot to cause what your going through .  backups mean nothing to it   you may just copy that fault and back it right back up  .  you do as you feel best on that   ''without parity information, redundancy, or fault tolerance. Since RAID 0 provides no fault tolerance or redundancy, the failure of one drive will cause the entire array to fail''
     
    one drive may experance a small write issue  for a example and that affect the 2  in total of any corruption  ...   like I say it works good wile it works   may last years then it may not last at all  . I do know when you find it don't you may not want to ever use again  .  I done it  but now  never again    just from like what you are seeing  the drives got to be prefect working order at all times ..
     
    anyway your call
     
    good luck   
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    Re: Games rebooting computer 2018/02/04 09:41:05 (permalink)
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    crap load of work  ?  compared to what ?   screwing around with this for days  scratching your head ?    just mark the sata  cables  [you don't what to mix the raid -0- drives up in any way ]   unplug off to the side  hook a single drive up  hanging off to the side   boot and load windows   turn off  activation  in the install process  and unplug the internet to be safe   load up windows reboot to deask top install the driver and what ever test programs you have ready on a pen drive or disk  ..   pretty much  use a internal hard drive like a external  no need to mount it in a bay  and all that .
     
    one more thing you could try is a live dvd/ pen drive of Linux    and see  what it does under it ?
     
    You can download the Linux Mint operating system for free. It comes as an ISO file
    which you need to burn to a blank DVD. The liveDVD is then bootable and provides a
    fully-functional operating system which you can try without affecting your PC. In
    layman's terms, when you put Linux Mint on a DVD and place it into your computer, you
    can try it out while leaving your current system intact.
    Note: It is also possible to write the ISO image to a USB stick or other memory device and boot from that,
    or to boot from the ISO image on the hard drive, but these options are somewhat more advanced and the
    method presented here is recommended.
     
    '' I honestly haven't had RAID 0 issues and I've used it for years in multiple systems (based on Asus mobos).''  yup all it takes is the one time to learn  what rade -0- can get you  . its good if it lasts  all it takes is that one little error in just the right spot to cause what your going through .  backups mean nothing to it   you may just copy that fault and back it right back up  .  you do as you feel best on that   ''without parity information, redundancy, or fault tolerance. Since RAID 0 provides no fault tolerance or redundancy, the failure of one drive will cause the entire array to fail''
     
    one drive may experance a small write issue  for a example and that affect the 2  in total of any corruption  ...   like I say it works good wile it works   may last years then it may not last at all  . I do know when you find it don't you may not want to ever use again  .  I done it  but now  never again    just from like what you are seeing  the drives got to be prefect working order at all times ..
     
    anyway your call
     
    good luck   




    I see your points, for sure, and thank you for the detailed responses.
     
    I put the 580 in and it does the same thing as the 980, so it could be the PSU. BTW, the 580s Clocks also start up low and only go higher as the game loads, etc., so that looks to be normal behavior since both boards act the same.
     
    I'm pretty much due for a clean Windows reinstall anyway to have a clean and new system. I do this about every two years because it seems no matter how careful you are, Windows gets to be a cluttered mess of crap. I'm still using Windows 7 Pro 64-bit.
     
    I'm going to do that, and I fully understand your point of using a single HD to test from, or even run the entire system from as opposed to the RAID0. My plan is to do the reinstall for my main system on a SINGLE drive (no more RAID0 for now -- I'll miss my Raptors), get the OS up and running along with all drivers and updates, then I'll put a couple of these games back on the clean system before anything else and see if they still crap out with the 980 back in the case. If they do, I guess my next bit of fun will be to put my replacement PSU (PC Power & Cooling 1200w) back into the system in place of the current Seasonic 1200w. If it works with the older PSU then I guess I know the issue. If not, well, I don't even want to think about that!
     
    Thank you for the advice, everyone, I'll post back in a couple of days or so...
    post edited by WNear - 2018/02/04 10:00:18

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    Re: Games rebooting computer 2018/02/04 16:55:28 (permalink)
    Do you have the latest driver?
    If so, I would go back a few revs of the driver you have.
    Nvidia has been messing with the drivers for a month or so, and people all over are having issues.
    I would try that before sending the card in.

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    Re: Games rebooting computer 2018/02/05 06:43:46 (permalink)
    well  ,  the thing is on that crap load of work is you made it that way  ..  you seen K.I.S.S used before ?   K-eep I-t S-imple S-illy  [or S-tupid] .
     
    with todays fast SSD  raid -0- is kinda  old hat  from back in the old slow platter drive days  and for things you did not want to keep or any fear of losing .  today just not as feasible or worth it
     
    you could usr one great fast SSD  and a good platter drive for storage / backup    and that crap load of work is pretty much eliminated  ..   like guys that do a SLI rig and got a water loop hooked up to them and have issues and that one thing they say '' but I got this water loop I got to take down and put back on everytime ''    Oh, well  that's the price you pay  when something goes wrong  .
     
    '' I'll miss my Raptors''  ???  they cant be use single ?     get the WD data life guard  tool  on a pen drive  and boot to it to test your drives 
     
    this should do it
    https://support.wdc.com/downloads.aspx?p=2
     
     
    thing is  if you had a buddy that had a good spare PSU  to try out   with the 2ed card doing the same  maybe a look at that first before digging too deep in to your storage arrangement  ..   I use seasonic  x 850's  and happy with them its a solid  build  platform,  but that's not to say anything cant go wrong at any time with anything 
     
    just make sure you put the raid -0- drives back  exactly   they way they are and were loaded  don't confuse any part of that  if you pull them out and out them back in to reuse . 
     
    tough call man,  and I feel for you  I use to have all that stuff hanging on a rig but  with todays JUNK  its now  K.I.S.S   and glad of it when something goes wrong ..
     
    good luck 
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    Re: Games rebooting computer 2018/02/05 13:32:02 (permalink)
    Dr.Death
    well  ,  the thing is on that crap load of work is you made it that way  ..  you seen K.I.S.S used before ?   K-eep I-t S-imple S-illy  [or S-tupid] .
     
    with todays fast SSD  raid -0- is kinda  old hat  from back in the old slow platter drive days  and for things you did not want to keep or any fear of losing .  today just not as feasible or worth it
     
    you could usr one great fast SSD  and a good platter drive for storage / backup    and that crap load of work is pretty much eliminated  ..   like guys that do a SLI rig and got a water loop hooked up to them and have issues and that one thing they say '' but I got this water loop I got to take down and put back on everytime ''    Oh, well  that's the price you pay  when something goes wrong  .
     
    '' I'll miss my Raptors''  ???  they cant be use single ?     get the WD data life guard  tool  on a pen drive  and boot to it to test your drives 
     
    this should do it
    https://support.wdc.com/downloads.aspx?p=2
     
     
    thing is  if you had a buddy that had a good spare PSU  to try out   with the 2ed card doing the same  maybe a look at that first before digging too deep in to your storage arrangement  ..   I use seasonic  x 850's  and happy with them its a solid  build  platform,  but that's not to say anything cant go wrong at any time with anything 
     
    just make sure you put the raid -0- drives back  exactly   they way they are and were loaded  don't confuse any part of that  if you pull them out and out them back in to reuse . 
     
    tough call man,  and I feel for you  I use to have all that stuff hanging on a rig but  with todays JUNK  its now  K.I.S.S   and glad of it when something goes wrong ..
     
    good luck 




    Hi,
     
    Yes, I'm almost too old school. That's one reason I haven't gone SSD yet. Also, that's why I'm using a Noctua NH-D14 gigantic heatsink on my CPU. Modestly overclocked on air. I have never trusted water inside something that uses electricity and costs so much. :)
     
    The Raptors by themselves are too small for my boot drive. They're only 620 GB each, so with RAID0 I had 1.2 TB. I just reinstalled the system on a single WD 2 TB Black drive (7,200 RPM, blah blah). After installing all of the mobo drivers and 50,000 Windows updates, I am currently downloading and installing Dirt 3 to see if my issues have disappeared.
     
    Since changing things up (making things simpler), I only have 4 hard drives in the system, instead of six. I have one for Boot, one for Data, and two for backup (backup 1 & 2). No more RAID of any kind.
     
    Also, my Seasonic PSU has 7 sockets for PCI-E devices, for a total of 14 connections due to dual cables. I was only using one of those sockets and using the dual cable connectors for both 8-pin power feeds on my 980. Now, I decided to use two separate cables for each of the 980's power feeds and two separate sockets on the PSU. I don't know if this really makes any difference, but it was worth a try and I don't see what harm it can do considering there's still five free PCI-E sockets left open on the PSU.
     
    Thanks again for your replies.

    Bill
     
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    Re: Games rebooting computer 2018/02/05 14:14:06 (permalink)
    April 12th, 2010
     
    Pros
     
    Very close to mid-range SSD levels of performance
    http://www.storagereview.com/western_digital_velociraptors_raid_ssd_alternative
     
     
     
    now jump in to today  and SSD as they are now from back then    you could get one good  up to 500 gb  for 160 bucks ?       I still use all platter WD blacks   but unlike most I don't se where my stuff aint loading up  so slow  .    desktop and games or what ever is just click and go   its not like fire something up and go get a cup of coffee  or take a crap  .   funny thing like when we use to do lan parties   my rig loads the games up the fastest  in my group     with near all the same stuff they got   my buddy would say  dang man your all ready in the game ?   and were are using the same harddrives   wd blacks  160 's and 500's ..   and to boot  on top of that he had a stronger CPU at the time  in the AMD builds I had a fx 6100  and he had a 8150 .  same mothereboard as well ..
     
    anyway  ''I was only using one of those sockets and using the dual cable connectors for both 8-pin power feeds on my 980''
     
    I don't think that matters on that   I use one lead for the 2 pci-e 's on the card  [-980ti even overclocked ]   that 1200 you got should not even flinch , try it and see cant hurt anything .
     
    ''The Raptors by themselves are too small for my boot drive. They're only 620 GB''
     
    windows 7 or Linux  only need like 19 gb +/-  if you set it up and not let windows configure it  then its  allocated for system thing can take up to what ever  mine is 30gb   on that    this is what guys use small gb ssd for there boot drives  like a 64gb  or less .   heck I use a 500 gb drive and in 3 years I yet to use 1/2 of it . 
     
    16 GB available hard disk space (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit)
    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/10737/windows-7-system-requirements
     
    i use 4 wd black's   one got win 7  one got xp  one got  vista one got Linux  . 
     
     
    i hope it works out for you  and that single HD windows install is the trick to get back going issue free . 
     
     
     
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    Re: Games rebooting computer 2018/02/05 14:57:03 (permalink)
    Dis you use Display Driver Uninstaller?
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    Re: Games rebooting computer 2018/02/05 15:34:07 (permalink)
    no I never had to use a 3ed party thing as that ,  a lot of guys swear  by it  .  I don't think its too safe  and I have yet to see the built in installer / uninstaller fail me I can install a several cards a day  AMD to nivdia to amd to NVidia  . but   I've seen that duu  screw some guys over   like  removed all the drivers even the ones built in to windows and then there card don't boot up at all  [ the fail safe generic driver that insures you system boots with any card  before any driver is installed ]   that sucks
     
     that's one of them things you just do at your own risk I guess . if it works great then great   if not then you know better next time .
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    Re: Games rebooting computer 2018/02/05 17:31:01 (permalink)
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    April 12th, 2010
     
    Pros
     
    Very close to mid-range SSD levels of performance
    http://www.storagereview.com/western_digital_velociraptors_raid_ssd_alternative
     
     
     
    now jump in to today  and SSD as they are now from back then    you could get one good  up to 500 gb  for 160 bucks ?       I still use all platter WD blacks   but unlike most I don't se where my stuff aint loading up  so slow  .    desktop and games or what ever is just click and go   its not like fire something up and go get a cup of coffee  or take a crap  .   funny thing like when we use to do lan parties   my rig loads the games up the fastest  in my group     with near all the same stuff they got   my buddy would say  dang man your all ready in the game ?   and were are using the same harddrives   wd blacks  160 's and 500's ..   and to boot  on top of that he had a stronger CPU at the time  in the AMD builds I had a fx 6100  and he had a 8150 .  same mothereboard as well ..
     
    anyway  ''I was only using one of those sockets and using the dual cable connectors for both 8-pin power feeds on my 980''
     
    I don't think that matters on that   I use one lead for the 2 pci-e 's on the card  [-980ti even overclocked ]   that 1200 you got should not even flinch , try it and see cant hurt anything .
     
    ''The Raptors by themselves are too small for my boot drive. They're only 620 GB''
     
    windows 7 or Linux  only need like 19 gb +/-  if you set it up and not let windows configure it  then its  allocated for system thing can take up to what ever  mine is 30gb   on that    this is what guys use small gb ssd for there boot drives  like a 64gb  or less .   heck I use a 500 gb drive and in 3 years I yet to use 1/2 of it . 
     
    16 GB available hard disk space (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit)
    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/10737/windows-7-system-requirements
     
    i use 4 wd black's   one got win 7  one got xp  one got  vista one got Linux  . 
     
     
    i hope it works out for you  and that single HD windows install is the trick to get back going issue free .




    I let all of my programs install on the boot drive and just store Data on the second drive. So, everything loads from C:, that's why those single Raptors are too small. I'm not even thinking SSD until I work this crazy problem out.
     
    So...
     
    OK, as I said before, fresh install of Windows on a single drive. All updates and drivers installed.
     
    I can run Dirt 3 anywhere from 10 minutes to 30+ minutes and then it will eventually kill the power and reboot, just as if I told it to reboot from the Windows menu. :(
     
    I don't think it's a heat issue with the GPU or CPU because the other day, before the reinstall of Windows, I ran the game in a Window and monitored the temps on both. They looked fine.
     
    I tried rolling back on the nVidia drivers to the mid-385's, but no luck. I didn't think it would matter, but I'm desperate. :)
     
    I have that PC Power & Cooling 1200w PSU sitting here and will hook that up tomorrow in place of this Seasonic 1200w.
     
    I don't know what else to do if that doesn't fix this darn thing.

    Bill
     
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    Re: Games rebooting computer 2018/02/06 06:52:42 (permalink)
    sure looks now to try another PSU  .     did you test that hard drive with that data lifeguard tool  or something like it ?
     
    I assume you say roll back the driver you do not do that through  device manager  to do this  and you do proper correct uninstall and install's
     
    also did you retry that 580 card  to se if it still did this ?
     
    if the 2ed PSU  don't do it   may look at maybe the board  like look over end user reviews  and how many bad one   looks like from here a lot of unhappy campers    [maybe knuckleheads  that screwed things up ? ]
     
    https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131802
     
    also  did you OC your CPU  ?  maybe a bad OC  on it  . 
     
    any way go with that  PSU and see . 
     
    what model seasonic PSU do you have    somthings funny when there no longer in stock   or out of stock   like newegg and amazon  of all 3 models ..  kinda makes you wonder if they got pulled from the market .
    https://pcpartpicker.com/products/power-supply/#m=71&W=1200
     
    don't know  jonny rated  this one and looks pretty good  unless there was some big factory defect discovered some how  [odd]   must of had some confidence  in them offering a 12 year warrantee  
     
    http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story6&reid=385
     
     
    I guess see what the 2ed PSU will do for you ,
     
     
     
     
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    Re: Games rebooting computer 2018/02/06 07:00:51 (permalink)
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    Do you have the latest driver?
    If so, I would go back a few revs of the driver you have.
    Nvidia has been messing with the drivers for a month or so, and people all over are having issues.
    I would try that before sending the card in.





    Hi,
     
    I was using the latest, but that wasn't where the issue started. I have now gone back to the 37849 driver, but the problem is still there. I don't see a way to go back further on the nVidia site once you enter in your card and OS it only goes back about 5 versions. I put in the oldest one I still had on hand.
     
    I have swapped out my PSU with a spare 1200w I have and am just now going to start testing those games again.

    Bill
     
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    Re: Games rebooting computer 2018/02/06 07:21:26 (permalink)
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    sure looks now to try another PSU  .     did you test that hard drive with that data lifeguard tool  or something like it ?
     
    I assume you say roll back the driver you do not do that through  device manager  to do this  and you do proper correct uninstall and install's
     
    also did you retry that 580 card  to se if it still did this ?
     
    if the 2ed PSU  don't do it   may look at maybe the board  like look over end user reviews  and how many bad one   looks like from here a lot of unhappy campers    [maybe knuckleheads  that screwed things up ? ]
     
    https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131802
     
    also  did you OC your CPU  ?  maybe a bad OC  on it  . 
     
    any way go with that  PSU and see . 
     
    what model seasonic PSU do you have    somthings funny when there no longer in stock   or out of stock   like newegg and amazon  of all 3 models ..  kinda makes you wonder if they got pulled from the market .
    https://pcpartpicker.com/products/power-supply/#m=71&W=1200
     
    don't know  jonny rated  this one and looks pretty good  unless there was some big factory defect discovered some how  [odd]   must of had some confidence  in them offering a 12 year warrantee  
     
    http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story6&reid=385
     
     
    I guess see what the 2ed PSU will do for you ,
     



    Hi Dr.,
     
    I really appreciate you sticking with me through all this. It's nice to have support when I'm pulling my hair out. :)
     
    I have DataLifeguard tools from WD, but I didn't test this specific drive. It's not one of the Raptors, it's just a 2 TB Black drive that used to be part of a RAID1 backup array. With the system glitching with the old install on the RAID0 and now on the single Black drive, I tend to think it's not a drive issue. I could always be wrong, but that would be one heck of a coincidence to have three drives with issues.
     
    When I install or rollback graphics drivers I use the nVidia installer and select Clean Install. I used to go through all the hoops of using that driver uninstaller app that everyone was high on a few years ago, but I'm not using it now (forgot the name of it). I NEVER let Windows update do it!
     
    Yes, in an earlier post I mentioned that I popped the 580 in and it did the same thing, so I seriously doubt it's my 980 causing this.
     
    Your link points to my exact mobo, but this thing has been rock solid for 5+ years. Of course, anything can go bad at some point. I do have it overclocked via the built-in, preconfigured BIOS settings. I'm not tweaking or changing anything. This method has worked flawlessly for a long time now. I even went as far as setting it back to stone stock settings (no OC) and it still glitched. :(
     
    I have the spare PSU in here now as I type this. It's a PC Power & Cooling Turbo-Cool 1200w that was top-of-the-line when I bought it several years ago.
     
    The Seasonic PSU is a Platinum-1200 (SS-1200XP Active PFC F3), also top-of-the-line when I bought it. It has a 7 year warranty.
     
    OK, I'm off to game testing. I really hope this fixes the issue...

    Bill
     
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    Re: Games rebooting computer 2018/02/06 08:30:28 (permalink)
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    OK, I'm off to game testing. I really hope this fixes the issue...

    I hope for the best.

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    Re: Games rebooting computer 2018/02/06 08:51:17 (permalink)
    355.82 win 7 
     
    http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/90494/en-us
     
    The Seasonic PSU is a Platinum-1200 (SS-1200XP Active PFC F3), also top-of-the-line when I bought it. It has a 7 year warranty.
     
    ya, that looked to be a pretty solid unit 
     
    hmmmm...  '' Internal Design ''
    https://www.anandtech.com/show/8461/seasonic-platinum-ss1050xp3-ss1200xp3-power-supply-review/2
     
    maybe something too that 
     
    ''What confounded us however is that the assembly of the Platinum units is rather messy, which is a first for Seasonic.
    It is not bad, not even average, but it does not live up to the standards Seasonic themselves have set
     
    maybe why to what I said about not in stock  like at  newegg or amazon  anymore and maybe pulled from the market  ?   I guess that would depend on how your backup PSU does  if it works as expected or still fails  [looks like a lot of 1000w + PSU's are out of stock or back order ??]
     
    '' could always be wrong, but that would be one heck of a coincidence to have three drives with issues. ''
      its happens  to me   with OEM / bulk drives [my buddy and I will pool orders  like he gets 2 drives and i'll add 2 to the order for myself  ]  all it can take is the packer to bounce it around or drop it or UPS guy  taking it around back for ''farther processing''   unlike a retail boxed  that packed and protected in a retail box  OEM are more to like open box / unboxed / bulk  ..   of have a power serge  or static  charge  or lighting strike just right when running  or mounted in your case    [that's what gets mine the most ] that can slap the arm  on the platters  crazy  . they still work as a single drive but I do not use them as a primary  the ones I count on   just Linux and storage  secondary   if it was to out oh well drives     
     
     
    '' I do have it overclocked via the built-in, preconfigured BIOS settings ''
     
    ya, I got a asus sabertooth  and tried to use that and nothing but issues   like plenty of hard crashes and bluescreens  and what not  ..   just dang sure did not work well for me in any way  .  may go good for days with out issue then mat crash every 2 min. the next    then that crap asus suite   program . never ever will I ever use that or even allow that to install   . all in all after 3 asus sabertooth    pretty much  made my LAST 3 asus builds was my last asus builds .  they will be hard pressed to get there products back in here with me . dang sure not the asus I grew up with anymore  . sad.
     
    anyway get that psu in and let us know   how it goes  , fingers crossed  , good luck 
     
    I forgot this on that old driver thing   its for win vista but you can see win 7 is listed in the notes as supported OS  when you click on one  just under vista it takes you back a tad bit more in the driver releases 
     
    http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us
    post edited by Dr.Death - 2018/02/06 09:07:09
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    Re: Games rebooting computer 2018/02/06 11:07:06 (permalink)
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    355.82 win 7 
     
    http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/90494/en-us
     
    The Seasonic PSU is a Platinum-1200 (SS-1200XP Active PFC F3), also top-of-the-line when I bought it. It has a 7 year warranty.
     
    ya, that looked to be a pretty solid unit 
     
    hmmmm...  '' Internal Design ''
    https://www.anandtech.com/show/8461/seasonic-platinum-ss1050xp3-ss1200xp3-power-supply-review/2
     
    maybe something too that 
     
    ''What confounded us however is that the assembly of the Platinum units is rather messy, which is a first for Seasonic.
    It is not bad, not even average, but it does not live up to the standards Seasonic themselves have set
     
    maybe why to what I said about not in stock  like at  newegg or amazon  anymore and maybe pulled from the market  ?   I guess that would depend on how your backup PSU does  if it works as expected or still fails  [looks like a lot of 1000w + PSU's are out of stock or back order ??]
     
    '' could always be wrong, but that would be one heck of a coincidence to have three drives with issues. ''
      its happens  to me   with OEM / bulk drives [my buddy and I will pool orders  like he gets 2 drives and i'll add 2 to the order for myself  ]  all it can take is the packer to bounce it around or drop it or UPS guy  taking it around back for ''farther processing''   unlike a retail boxed  that packed and protected in a retail box  OEM are more to like open box / unboxed / bulk  ..   of have a power serge  or static  charge  or lighting strike just right when running  or mounted in your case    [that's what gets mine the most ] that can slap the arm  on the platters  crazy  . they still work as a single drive but I do not use them as a primary  the ones I count on   just Linux and storage  secondary   if it was to out oh well drives     
     
     
    '' I do have it overclocked via the built-in, preconfigured BIOS settings ''
     
    ya, I got a asus sabertooth  and tried to use that and nothing but issues   like plenty of hard crashes and bluescreens  and what not  ..   just dang sure did not work well for me in any way  .  may go good for days with out issue then mat crash every 2 min. the next    then that crap asus suite   program . never ever will I ever use that or even allow that to install   . all in all after 3 asus sabertooth    pretty much  made my LAST 3 asus builds was my last asus builds .  they will be hard pressed to get there products back in here with me . dang sure not the asus I grew up with anymore  . sad.
     
    anyway get that psu in and let us know   how it goes  , fingers crossed  , good luck 
     
    I forgot this on that old driver thing   its for win vista but you can see win 7 is listed in the notes as supported OS  when you click on one  just under vista it takes you back a tad bit more in the driver releases 
     
    http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us





    Hello again,
     
    On the PSUs, like most everything else these days, it's hard to find quality in anything. We're such a "throw away" society nowadays, it's sickening. I try to buy the current top-of-the-line hardware whenever I build a system.
     
    I've had excellent luck with the Asus overclocking on this mobo/CPU/RAM combo (I always reference the QVL when building).
     
    I've tried Gigabyte and A-bit mobos before, but I went back and stayed with Asus. They aren't perfect, but they're the best thing out there that I know of.
     
    I really, really appreciate the nVidia driver link at the bottom of your message. I'm downloading all of them just to have on hand for future reference. I never used to save more than one or two older versions as I updated, but now I'm changing that policy. Overkill? Yes, but I have the storage space to spare.
     
    Now for the great news, so far...
     
    I hooked up the backup PSU and played Dirt 3 for 60 minutes straight without a glitch. Next, I played Dirt 4 for 90 minutes without a glitch! I'm installing Call of Duty WWII right now and will test that out.
     
    So, assuming all remains the same, that freaking Seasonic PSU is glitching under load. I wouldn't think I'm even touching the heavy usage limit of that PSU, but something is getting triggered when these games are running.
     
    The bad news...
     
    That PC Power & Cooling 1200w PSU cost $500 when I bought it and this Seasonic 1200w PSU cost another $350 or so.
     
    The worst news... The reason I have this Seasonic PSU at all is because about three years into this system build using the PC Power & Cooling PSU, it took a dump! I sent it back and received a refurb unit that's been sitting in its box ever since (until today). Now this Seasonic has taken a dump (to a lesser extent than the original PSU)! It's not like I'm buying cheap junk here...
     
    Anyway, I'm going to test another game and hook those other two hard drives back up and see how things go. Feeling good...
     

    Bill
     
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