njbongo

vegnar
In a nutshell :
 
Out of box thermals:
TUF    @37.7DBA   336W   59.8c
FTW3 @43.0DBA   377W   66.0c  (OC Bios)
FTW3 @39.7DBA   377W   70.0c  (Normal Bios)
 
Normalized DBA @40DBA (all fans at same dba):
 
TUF      56.4c
FTW3   64.7c
EAGLE  60.8c
 
Gaming performance:
 
Who cares they are all within 1-3% of each other, to me Thermals and Noise > 1-3% more fps.
 
 
The TUF is also $110 cheaper.  How in the world did Asus achieved water cooled type thermals on air at 56.4c?

My last, and current build, had a great deal of Asus components, mainly because I wanted all of these to Sync with Asus ARUA lighting (the monitor does not, but I already had 34" ultrawide Gysnc, not giving it up anytime soon).  Monitor, motherboard, Strix Flare Keyboard, Mouse, and a Strix 2080TI 011G (their top card in the 2080 ti series).  Everything was great, until it wasn't.  Six months in and half the RBG lighting on the keyboard was way dimmer, with some switches totally burnt out.  I immediately started an RMA, can't find a phone number (easily) on Asus's site so I did the online RMA request.....six times.....no response.  Then a few months later my z390 Maxiumus Hero Wifi started having issues, I did not even bother trying to contact them, because I bought the 4 year extended warranty from Amazon which I used, they didn't even try to repair or replace it and just refunded me my $350 so I bought an MSI board this time around.  
 
I have owned MANY Asus products over the years, and NEVER had any issues, this is the first time I ever even tried to use their warranty, and in a nutshell....their support SUCKS, and I am far from the only one with that opinion.  
 
My GPU is great, rock solid and overclocks well, but, if you buy any Asus GPU and you get unlucky good luck getting Asus to resolve the issue for you.  I'm not totally bashing Asus (really), but I have not read or heard about anyone complaining about EVGA as far as standing behind their products, just something to think about.

notarjy

parasitegod
If anyone doesn't like GN content, then go watch someone else. They have already said it several times, that it's pointless to show the same graphs (with few percentage of deviation here and there) in every video. It's a sensible thing to do. "Oh look, this game has 2fps less with this card. Looks like I won't be buying this garbage" - said no one ever.

I am a big fan of GN, for many reasons. When it comes to card testing I enjoy their usual attention to detail in methodology and how they really try to explain all the caveats of controlled tests and how to read charts properly. As scientist myself, this all speaks to me greatly. That does not mean they dont put out reviews occasionally that I feel gloss over questions that are worth asking. If this card has such different cooling and frequency results, why not run some tests to see if they really do produce the same gaming results. That would have been my approach in this specific situation, even after determining that in majority of situations all aib parter cards will perform about the same. In the end I will continue to watch GN because I still have loads of respect for the way they do their work.

notarjy
You are right Jankerson, in a setting where the results are for more than just reviewing a product, it would not fly to make such a statement while omitting the data.

jankerson

notarjy
You are right Jankerson, in a setting where the results are for more than just reviewing a product, it would not fly to make such a statement while omitting the data.

 
I look at it from a Journalists point of view, a researchers point of view and from doing R&D and testing myself.
 
We have to submit real data and or sources.

MrMichaelJames

jankerson

notarjy
You are right Jankerson, in a setting where the results are for more than just reviewing a product, it would not fly to make such a statement while omitting the data.

 
I look at it from a Journalists point of view, a researchers point of view and from doing R&D and testing myself.
 
We have to submit real data and or sources.

An argument can be made that youtubers are NOT journalists. Their pay scale completely depends upon viewership. If they bring in a ton of viewers they make more money. A real journalist makes money and earns respect a different way. Not saying GN is not informative, but I don’t consider it journalism.

Dabadger84
Let me just put this out there for the world to ponder:
 
All of these cards, including the TUF, run too hot  They should start including AIOs like AMD did on the R9 295x2, problem solved, at the very least it would give pretty much everyone sub 60C gaming, and anyone with good airflow would probably stay under 50C... but then again, what percentage of people have room for a CPU AND a GPU AIO in their system... I do, but the average person probably doesn't.

rckrz6
 powertechup shows this card is just as quiet as the tuf with the quiet/normal bios.   I find that pretty odd vs gamer nexus
 
EVGA RTX 3080 FTW3 (Standard Bios) 73°C  31dBA 1715 RPM
ASUS RTX 3080 TUF OC (Quiet BIOS)  71°C  31 dBA 1562 RPM

Dabadger84

ajropey

Dabadger84

rckrz6
 powertechup shows this card is just as quiet as the tuf with the quiet/normal bios.   I find that pretty odd vs gamer nexus
 
EVGA RTX 3080 FTW3 (Standard Bios) 73°C  31dBA 1715 RPM
ASUS RTX 3080 TUF OC (Quiet BIOS)  71°C  31 dBA 1562 RPM

When Gamers Nexus "power normalized" the 3080 FTW3 Ultra it dropped about 7 degrees.  The higher power target & higher boost clock are why it runs hotter than all the other cards reviewed so far.

Power normalised thermals of the FTW3 was still 8 degrees higher than the Asus Tuf. Whats your point?

Adorable.  What is YOUR point?  Your answer is in the video conclusion, as Steve said, this is not a "average users" card.  Just like the Strix won't be for average users.
 
I'm not defending the temperatures or the card's performance, the TUF also performs better in cooling than the Strix from all indications so far... does that make it a better card than the Strix too?  For users that are just going to plug and play, yes.  For people like the majority of those on this forum... No. lol
 
The bottom line when it comes to why I (and others) buy eVGA is the more robust support & RMA procedures, the fact that they'll warranty cards that have been liquid cooled, etc... a vast majority of other GPU AIBs will see that you modded the card at all & void your warranty.
 
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crazyst888
Did Steve play around Xoc 450w?

 
He mentioned it, but it doesn't look like they listed any results from it.  The two BIOSes used hit 410W & 428W (when manually OCed) in Furmark.  That's well below the 450+ people are seeing with the XOC BIOS.

ddmath
I see people refer to the 450W OC BIOS, but my understanding is that is only a thing if you flash it yourself. The "out of the box" FTW3 Ultra will not have that OC BIOS, it will have a lower power targeted BIOS. That said, Gamers Nexus did point out, numerous times, that the power target of the FTW3 Ultra was higher than the other cards tested. This higher power limit will affect how hot the card gets, how fast the fans spin, how loud it will be. And you can control all that if you so desire. If anyone is buying an FTW3 Ultra and not taking a little bit of time to download Precision and then playing with it, they are not getting all the joy out the the extra money they are spending.

Delwyn69
I think it's awesome the FTW3 has cooling the RAM on the same coldplate. My memory does +1000 easily and there are some nice even temps on the whole card. That's gotta be good for longevity, right?
Here in germany the FTW3 Ultra was 964€ compared to the tuf with 879€, that's a small difference and you get the nice RGB sync option and another fan header :p
I'd go with the EVGA any day of the week, the unlocked bios makes it more fun to play around with too :)