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2020/10/20 00:52:14 (permalink)

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    Re: Gamers Nexus 3080 FTW3 Ultra Review 2020/10/20 01:09:17 (permalink)
    I've been hanging out for this for weeks now!
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    Re: Gamers Nexus 3080 FTW3 Ultra Review 2020/10/20 01:28:24 (permalink)
    Interesting results, no gaming numbers. We will have to see if hardware unboxed will compare how the increased power and more stable clocks effects in game performance

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    Re: Gamers Nexus 3080 FTW3 Ultra Review 2020/10/20 01:43:54 (permalink)
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    Interesting results, no gaming numbers. We will have to see if hardware unboxed will compare how the increased power and more stable clocks effects in game performance




     
    Tech power up did include numbers as well as the OC settings, so at least there's that.
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    Re: Gamers Nexus 3080 FTW3 Ultra Review 2020/10/20 01:45:26 (permalink)
    I wonder why the FTW3 drops to lower clocks with the same temps and a high power target?

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    Re: Gamers Nexus 3080 FTW3 Ultra Review 2020/10/20 01:50:21 (permalink)
    Let's face it, we buy a GPU to play games. Why didn't Steve include real world data from games? Let us see if the extra couple of hundred for the FTW3 is actually worth it.
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    Re: Gamers Nexus 3080 FTW3 Ultra Review 2020/10/20 02:12:21 (permalink)
    Finally a Jesus review !! Yaaay ! As for games FPS, that doesn't really matter as custom cards should be within range with one or two more FPS unless you unleash power limit and all. I'm more interested in temperature, noise, fan speed, comparison with MSI Gaming X Trio / TUF / Strix (later maybe ?) in all those aspects. Going to watch now then I'll come back to give my 2 cents.
     
    PS : While buying a custom was worth it for more FPS in the previous generations, GamersNexus told already in multiple videos when speaking of the 3080 that you don't really buy a 3080 custom for more FPS but for ease of life (lower temperature, better cooling system, RGB, design, etc) as they'll be within range from one to each other. The 3080 is already very limited in power and increasing the power limit will not yield that much more results in gaming (some more FPS but probably not that much worth talking about).
     
    Edit : Ok. Seems I'm going to go for a TUF then if I can. It might be a lower power consumption so a couples of FPS less maybe but the cooler just destroys the FTW3 when  power consumption is relatively the same with noise normalized, so there's no possible error there. Can't believe the FTW3 cooler isn't better... Come on guys that's the TUF ! These guys had trouble with their latest previous cards... 
    post edited by Huntercyril - 2020/10/20 02:30:00
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    Re: Gamers Nexus 3080 FTW3 Ultra Review 2020/10/20 02:41:45 (permalink)
    I kinda feel bad now that i canceld a TUF that i could have gotten by now for a FTW3 that i might not get till 2021 here in Europe.
    The noise/thermals are really unimpressive compared to a much cheaper card.
    post edited by the_Scarlet_one - 2020/10/20 07:36:27
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    Re: Gamers Nexus 3080 FTW3 Ultra Review 2020/10/20 02:58:34 (permalink)
    interesting.
     
    according to the review, in normal situation (not OC),
    my 3080ftw3 ultra is more expensive, use more power, hotter,
    but with lower clock frequency when compare with TUF and Eagle
     
    Yet I have to admit that it is the easiest 3080 we can get in manufacturer retail price
    and its excellent warranty in the market.
    post edited by jilljill2002 - 2020/10/20 03:01:19
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    Re: Gamers Nexus 3080 FTW3 Ultra Review 2020/10/20 03:24:35 (permalink)
    Zone15
    I wonder why the FTW3 drops to lower clocks with the same temps and a high power target?


    Lower but more stable. The other ones have higher but those are spikes and are all over the place. If you want steady good FPS you need steady clocks.
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    Re: Gamers Nexus 3080 FTW3 Ultra Review 2020/10/20 03:29:52 (permalink)
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    interesting.
     
    according to the review, in normal situation (not OC),
    my 3080ftw3 ultra is more expensive, use more power, hotter,
    but with lower clock frequency when compare with TUF and Eagle
     
    Yet I have to admit that it is the easiest 3080 we can get in manufacturer retail price
    and its excellent warranty in the market.


    You’re comparing apples to oranges. One pays the FTW premium for better vrms, 3x8 pin, 450w etc to put these cards ultimately under water and oc them. If you just want a good card with good temps to just use it as it is and save money, yeah get the TUF or the XC Ultra for that matter or other cheaper ones (relatively).

    Oh, and of course, the great EVGA CS, warranty and step up posibilities, because we all know how “great” Asus cs, RMA system is lol.
    post edited by the_Scarlet_one - 2020/10/20 08:24:13
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    Re: Gamers Nexus 3080 FTW3 Ultra Review 2020/10/20 03:41:09 (permalink)
    So frustrating being in Australia with these cards. Asus TUF seems to be the better way to go but for us it's a AUD $300 difference in EVGAs favour.
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    Re: Gamers Nexus 3080 FTW3 Ultra Review 2020/10/20 03:47:25 (permalink)
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    I kinda feel bad now that i canceld a TUF that i could have gotten by now for a FTW3 that i might not get till 2021 here in Europe.
    The noise/thermals are really unimpressive compared to a much cheaper card.


    Especially since he said at the end that FPS are relatively the same and power consumption doesn't change FPS so... I'm glad I canceled my XC3 tbh considering how worst it is (since it's already worse than the FTW3) compared to the TUF. I'm heading towards Asus now. Sorry EVGA you'll have to do better in terms of stock supply if you want people to buy it in Europe. 
     
    jilljill2002
    Yet I have to admit that it is the easiest 3080 we can get in manufacturer retail price

    Well you can only speak for US region only then. 
    To sum up for EU : EU Store doesn't work and has no stock, EVGA has close to no stock at retailers (compared to other Taiwan based factories brands like Asus, MSI and Gigabyte) and prices in France are +250€ over MSRP, putting still the TUF  80€ cheaper than the FTW3 Non Ultra. And they are producing way more Ultra than non Ultra, putting the gap at 100€ between TUF and FTW3 Ultra. As long as EVGA doesn't care much about their EU Store (compared to how they care about US Store), that won't change until 2021 when the 3080 retailers market should stabilize.
     
    With the TUF you don't even need to go watercooling considering the temperatures, and should you choose to, there's no warranty void stickers anymore (as it's illegal) so putting a block isn't an issue anymore (as long as it doesn't leak but since the block is underneath, even if the block leaks the liquid shouldn't touch the card, unless it's the CPU block that leaks onto the card, in which case it could have leaked on the card even if you didn't watercooled the card.)
     
    Basically in EU, there's way cheaper for better thermal / noise / similar FPS / lower power consumption. It's REALLY disappointing, I expected more from EVGA especially when I see Jacob twisting his own sleep (sometimes I saw him answer people close to midnight, way after business hours...) to answer people and be there for the customers.
     
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    interesting.

    according to the review, in normal situation (not OC),
    my 3080ftw3 ultra is more expensive, use more power, hotter,
    but with lower clock frequency when compare with TUF and Eagle

    Yet I have to admit that it is the easiest 3080 we can get in manufacturer retail price
    and its excellent warranty in the market.


    You’re comparing apples to oranges. One pays the FTW premium for better vrms, 3x8 pin, 450w etc to put these cards ultimately under water and oc them. If you just want a good card with good temps to just use it as it is and save money, yeah get the TUF or the XC Ultra for that matter or other cheaper ones (relatively).

    Oh, and of course, the great EVGA CS, warranty and step up posibilities, because we all know how “great” Asus cs, RMA system is lol.

     
    Well it seems 450w / OC doesn't yield significant results in gaming so there's no point for that unless you're an OC enthusiast doing many Firestrike etc benchmarks in which case yeah by all means get the premium one. The XC3 is worse than the FTW3 that means it's way worse than the TUF. For gaming there's no real interest of getting a FTW3 card except like you said for better CS, though like I said above, given how EVGA " cares " about EU market and seems to be less and less present in the EU that might be a less valid point over time for EU customers.


    As for the 2 or 3 8 pins, it has been proven already that some cards can get huge amounts of power without needing 3*8 pins. As for VRMs I don't recall the discussion you might be right about that though it seems they really did a great job on the overall design of the TUF so I'd expect good VRMs anyway considering how good their cooling is.
    post edited by the_Scarlet_one - 2020/10/20 08:24:49
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    Re: Gamers Nexus 3080 FTW3 Ultra Review 2020/10/20 03:59:50 (permalink)
    I am so low on the waiting list by Alternate.nl on a FTW3 gaming that i might as well keep it there even though i doubt ill see the card before Cyberpunk gets released seeing as the ULTRA has the priority and Europe gets no cards to begin with.
     
    Still love EVGA the support and im really happy with my EVGA psu, my first 1080 sc .. etc but damn i regret this order now.
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    Re: Gamers Nexus 3080 FTW3 Ultra Review 2020/10/20 04:00:11 (permalink)
    So in the end I was right. Damn. I still want a FTW3, but the TUF  I got cools so well.

     
     
     

     


     

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    Re: Gamers Nexus 3080 FTW3 Ultra Review 2020/10/20 04:45:49 (permalink)

     
    wow, Tuf reks the FTW3 in noise and power normalized cooling performance. 10(!)K better from a 730€-750€ vs a 840€ card.
    The Tuf really is a masterpiece.

    Tbh I had EVGA 1080 Ti SC Black, 2080 Ti XC Black and have now a 2060 KO.
    All have really disappointed me in fan noise (the 2060 KO is even useless below 30% fan speed, because I hear some crackling thing going on and off all the time, so 0 fan or quiet fan curve useless - similar with 2080 Ti XC Black. 0 fan mode useless, because it would go to the switching temp and go all the time on and off with annoying noise - when these fans start to perform well, they are getting really loud then). So I don´t wonder, EVGA just seems to not have the greatest fans.


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    Re: Gamers Nexus 3080 FTW3 Ultra Review 2020/10/20 04:49:13 (permalink)
    Lokator

     
    wow, Tuf reks the FTW3 in noise and power normalized cooling performance. 10(!)K better from a 730€-750€ vs a 840€ card.
    The Tuf really is a masterpiece.

    Tbh I had EVGA 1080 Ti SC Black, 2080 Ti XC Black and have now a 2060 KO.
    All have really disappointed me in fan noise (the 2060 KO is even useless below 30% fan speed, because I hear some crackling thing going on and off all the time, so 0 fan or quiet fan curve useless). So I don´t wonder, EVGA just seems to not have the greatest fans.






    And i canceled my day 1 pre order on a TUF for a FTW3 :(
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    Re: Gamers Nexus 3080 FTW3 Ultra Review 2020/10/20 04:59:05 (permalink)
    I kind of expected this. Tbh, EVGA cards are kind of the discount/budget brand. I've always been an ASUS GPU buyer and always had amazing results. The EVGAs I've had have always just been okay. It seems this generation will be no different. How a cooler twice the size of the TUFs can do worse is mind boggling to me. Maybe it's the thermal paste application.
    post edited by the_Scarlet_one - 2020/10/20 08:25:07
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    Re: Gamers Nexus 3080 FTW3 Ultra Review 2020/10/20 05:11:59 (permalink)
    Alright, so let me get this straight. When comparing the Tuf and the FTW3:
     
    Pros
    3x8 Pin + 450W power limit (Not really useful other than synthetic benchmarks)
    RGB??
    Customer Service (not relevant outside US)
     
    Cons
    Hot and loud despite the deceptively large heatsinks
    Massive PCB (makes it harder to fit in sffpcs)
    Ugly (subjective)
    Lower sustained boost frequency?
     
    I would have cancelled my FTW3 preorder for the Tuf in a heartbeat if I didn't live in Australia.
     
     
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    Re: Gamers Nexus 3080 FTW3 Ultra Review 2020/10/20 05:16:24 (permalink)
    ajropey
    Alright, so let me get this straight. When comparing the Tuf and the FTW3:
     
    Pros
    3x8 Pin + 450W power limit (Not really useful other than synthetic benchmarks)
    RGB??
    Customer Service (not relevant outside US)
     
    Cons
    Hot and loud despite the deceptively large heatsinks
    Massive PCB (makes it harder to fit in sffpcs)
    Ugly (subjective)
    Lower sustained boost frequency?
     
    I would have cancelled my FTW3 preorder for the Tuf in a heartbeat if I didn't live in Australia.
     
     




    As disappointed as i am in my pick... i don't think saying hot and loud is fair... its still a substantial improvement over the FE.
    Bit warmer and bit more noise is more fair i think.... the TUF seems kinda insane for the price.... i guess they did not want another disaster like their last TUF release.
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    Re: Gamers Nexus 3080 FTW3 Ultra Review 2020/10/20 05:19:16 (permalink)
    Tuf has a Dual Bios, so you could try a 450W bios there.

    Of course FTW3 and Strix both have more VRMs
    also a plus are the ICX sensors on the FTW3 and the step up program (have fun waiting 6 months)

    I would not care about the boost frequency, you can just adjust it yourself with Overclocking, the ftw3 is for overclocking anyway. 


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    Re: Gamers Nexus 3080 FTW3 Ultra Review 2020/10/20 05:24:19 (permalink)
    Lokator
    Tuf has a Dual Bios, so you could try a 450W bios there.

    Of course FTW3 and Strix both have more VRMs
    also a plus are the ICX sensors on the FTW3 and the step up program (have fun waiting 6 months)

    I would not care about the boost frequency, you can just adjust it yourself with Overclocking, the ftw3 is for overclocking anyway. 


    What does that even mean? "The FTW3 is for overclocking anyway" What are you using to justify this statement? This review clearly shows a lower end model from ASUS overclocks and runs better than this FTW3. Same with the Eagle. That statement is completely untrue at this point. 
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    Re: Gamers Nexus 3080 FTW3 Ultra Review 2020/10/20 05:26:07 (permalink)
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    Tuf has a Dual Bios, so you could try a 450W bios there.

    Of course FTW3 and Strix both have more VRMs
    also a plus are the ICX sensors on the FTW3 and the step up program (have fun waiting 6 months)

    I would not care about the boost frequency, you can just adjust it yourself with Overclocking, the ftw3 is for overclocking anyway. 


    What does that even mean? "The FTW3 is for overclocking anyway" What are you using to justify this statement? This review clearly shows a lower end model from ASUS overclocks and runs better than this FTW3. Same with the Eagle. That statement is completely untrue at this point. 


    no, these are stock clock speeds and the ftw3 will go well above....
    with way more VRMs and a 450w power limit + louder fans you can get a really high oc.... stock speeds are useless imo

    if you want a quiet card at stock with great out of the box performance, the Tuf is a champ, for overclocking and noise is not an issue, the ftw3 and strix are defo top notch

    the ftw3 noise performance is just bad imo, for overclocking I would defo go Strix, assuming it wont have worse noise and power normalized performance than Tuf.

    But yes, there is no reason to not buy a tuf at msrp.
    post edited by Lokator - 2020/10/20 05:28:32


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    Re: Gamers Nexus 3080 FTW3 Ultra Review 2020/10/20 05:27:40 (permalink)
    Well FTW3 pre order cancelled and Asus ordered instead. Rather pay a little more for my quiet SFF build then deal with the EVGA.
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    Re: Gamers Nexus 3080 FTW3 Ultra Review 2020/10/20 05:30:41 (permalink)
    ICX sensors are kinda nifty, but not really relevant for the 90% of the users buying them.
    Better VRMS and power limits dont really matter a whole lot when at best you are getting a few more fps in 1440p or 4k, at the expense of much higher thermal output.
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    Re: Gamers Nexus 3080 FTW3 Ultra Review 2020/10/20 05:32:06 (permalink)
    ajropey
    ICX sensors are kinda nifty, but not really relevant for the 90% of the users buying them.
    Better VRMS and power limits dont really matter a whole lot when at best you are getting a few more fps in 1440p or 4k, at the expense of much higher thermal output.


    these are enthusiast cards.
    Enthusiasts want the card with the best components.
    Since the noise is not that great, tons of enthusiasts will prefer the Strix above the FTW3.


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    Re: Gamers Nexus 3080 FTW3 Ultra Review 2020/10/20 05:40:24 (permalink)
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    ajropey
    ICX sensors are kinda nifty, but not really relevant for the 90% of the users buying them.
    Better VRMS and power limits dont really matter a whole lot when at best you are getting a few more fps in 1440p or 4k, at the expense of much higher thermal output.


    these are enthusiast cards.
    Enthusiasts want the card with the best components.
    Since the noise is not that great, tons of enthusiasts will prefer the Strix above the FTW3.


     
    Lol, literally all RTX 3080s are enthusiast cards, but I get your point.
     
    Its just that AIBs should be focusing more on the cooling/quality of life aspects of the card rather than beefed up PCB designs since overclocking is essentially dead.
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    Re: Gamers Nexus 3080 FTW3 Ultra Review 2020/10/20 05:45:54 (permalink)
    I'm mostly happy with my FTW Ultra (only negatives are my cpu bottlenecking it, so not gpus fault!)
    It sits 60-65 mostly in games on the 450w bios.
    Will sit around 2070-2115 most of the time, with a max of 2145.

    Ive never seen Evga as a budget brand myself. Thought they were one of the top brands?
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    Re: Gamers Nexus 3080 FTW3 Ultra Review 2020/10/20 05:47:43 (permalink)
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    I'm mostly happy with my FTW Ultra (only negatives are my cpu bottlenecking it, so not gpus fault!)
    It sits 60-65 mostly in games on the 450w bios.
    Will sit around 2070-2115 most of the time, with a max of 2145.

    Ive never seen Evga as a budget brand myself. Thought they were one of the top brands?



    Seems the results on cooling are all over the place with the FTW which makes me wonder if there is a Quality Control issue going on.
    Glad to hear you have a good card though, what are the noise levels for you?
    Also no EVGA is not a budget brand.
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    Re: Gamers Nexus 3080 FTW3 Ultra Review 2020/10/20 05:48:40 (permalink)
    yes, I am the guy slapping a Accelero Xtreme IV with two Noctua NFA12x25 fans on my 2080 Ti XC Black to have a quiet PC, so yes, all I want is a fantastic whisper quiet great GPU.

    Might even try to get a 940-950€ MSRP Gigabyte 3080 Aorus Xtreme, the cooling performance should be massive.
    It just has a pretty modest power limit compared to the large heatsink.
    Together with having 6 Poscaps, I assume at a higher power limit, more MLCCs would indeed have been better, maybe 30 Mhz more with that or so, who knows, this MLCC Poscap thing still makes me nervous, apart from that dang that card


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