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I built a computer for my daughter with the intention of putting in a GTX 480 when they become available. Looking at comparisons between the 480 and the 5970 on some of the benchmarks that 'leaked' and may or may not be real, it looks like for the purposes of what I built her computer for, the performance will be just as good with the 5970 or the 480. So I figured I would look seriously at putting in the 5970 now instead of waiting for a month to get the 480.
Well, no one has a 5970 for sale other than ebay, and I won't spend that much money on ebay. So now I am wondering what is all the fuss about ATI beating Nvidia to the market with these super cards, if the current availability of the 5970 is exactly the same as the GTX 480. There is no 'gaining market share' if you issue a product then don't keep your venders supplied with product. I thought then about getting 2 5870s but I have an EVGA X58 board and, as far as I know, I couldn't set up crossfire, so 2 cards is not an option.
I guess I'll keep my etes peeled and whoever gets theirs to the venders first will get my $$.
Just my 2 cents worth.
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Re:GTX 480 vs HD 5970 availability the same
2010/02/24 09:12:34
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You have one lucky daughter, sir.
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Re:GTX 480 vs HD 5970 availability the same
2010/02/24 09:31:22
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Well, like any parent you want the very best for your child if it is within your budget to do so
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Re:GTX 480 vs HD 5970 availability the same
2010/02/24 10:21:32
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all x58 mobo's support both Nvidia and Ati, EVGA dont advertise the fact due to be partnered.
Im sure you will find other members on here who are using crossfire configs on their Evga boards, the NF200 chip doesnt care either what config your using.
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Re:GTX 480 vs HD 5970 availability the same
2010/02/24 10:30:26
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Want to adopt me? Okay, I jest.
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Re:GTX 480 vs HD 5970 availability the same
2010/02/24 10:33:03
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I think its all marketing strategy, they probably have stock piles of them and wait until the right moment to release them....supply and DEMAND!
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Re:GTX 480 vs HD 5970 availability the same
2010/02/24 10:40:38
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5970@1.gz surpassed gtx295's performance about %60. There's no way in the world gtx480 can match that looking at the current situation so 5870crossfire or 5970 would be great choices...
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Re:GTX 480 vs HD 5970 availability the same
2010/02/24 14:00:18
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Surely you guys jest. You can do crossfire on an EVGA board?? I don't know where I got the idea you could not do that. Was there a time that you could not? I know I remember reading it or hearing it somewhere. If that is the case I might just need to go with dual 5870 set up since there is no such thing as a 5970. It is a myth like the unicorn, or space aliens, or the term 'government leadership'.
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Re:GTX 480 vs HD 5970 availability the same
2010/02/24 14:09:47
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I built a computer for my daughter with the intention of putting in a GTX 480 when they become available. Looking at comparisons between the 480 and the 5970 on some of the benchmarks that 'leaked' and may or may not be real, it looks like for the purposes of what I built her computer for, the performance will be just as good with the 5970 or the 480. So I figured I would look seriously at putting in the 5970 now instead of waiting for a month to get the 480.
Well, no one has a 5970 for sale other than ebay, and I won't spend that much money on ebay. So now I am wondering what is all the fuss about ATI beating Nvidia to the market with these super cards, if the current availability of the 5970 is exactly the same as the GTX 480. There is no 'gaining market share' if you issue a product then don't keep your venders supplied with product. I thought then about getting 2 5870s but I have an EVGA X58 board and, as far as I know, I couldn't set up crossfire, so 2 cards is not an option.
I guess I'll keep my etes peeled and whoever gets theirs to the venders first will get my $$.
Just my 2 cents worth.
just a question how old is ur daughter sir? man 480 or 5970! does she even game on it? lol
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Re:GTX 480 vs HD 5970 availability the same
2010/02/24 14:21:50
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I built a computer for my daughter with the intention of putting in a GTX 480 when they become available. Looking at comparisons between the 480 and the 5970 on some of the benchmarks that 'leaked' and may or may not be real, it looks like for the purposes of what I built her computer for, the performance will be just as good with the 5970 or the 480. So I figured I would look seriously at putting in the 5970 now instead of waiting for a month to get the 480.
Well, no one has a 5970 for sale other than ebay, and I won't spend that much money on ebay. So now I am wondering what is all the fuss about ATI beating Nvidia to the market with these super cards, if the current availability of the 5970 is exactly the same as the GTX 480. There is no 'gaining market share' if you issue a product then don't keep your venders supplied with product. I thought then about getting 2 5870s but I have an EVGA X58 board and, as far as I know, I couldn't set up crossfire, so 2 cards is not an option.
I guess I'll keep my etes peeled and whoever gets theirs to the venders first will get my $$.
Just my 2 cents worth.
just a question how old is ur daughter sir? man 480 or 5970! does she even game on it? lol
Nope no gaming. She is in school to become an animator. She is also an artist (see my avatar, she did that when she was about 14). She is 21, and one of an identical pair. Her sister is in college getting ready to go to chiropractic school as she wants to be an equine chiropractor. I wanted to build her a computer that would be powerful enough to last her at least 3 years. It has 4 TB of hard drive (2x2TB) and a 1TB external transportable HD, 12 GB RAM, Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit. I 'skimped' on the mobo and only got her the X58 micro, but I figure past 2 GPUs wouldn't make that much difference. And in a couple years I'll probably put her in one of the EVGA dual CPU motherboards with 24 GB RAM, and who knows how many GPUs in SLI she'll need by then. All for a good cause.
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Re:GTX 480 vs HD 5970 availability the same
2010/02/24 14:52:19
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luv 2 increase haas evga classified board with 3x5870s on it so i guess you can crosfire on evga board :)
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Re:GTX 480 vs HD 5970 availability the same
2010/02/24 14:56:20
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Nice. Do you just use the SLI cable that comes with the mobo, or do you need a special cable for that? NVMD I just looked at the box contents and it ships with the cable.
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Re:GTX 480 vs HD 5970 availability the same
2010/02/24 16:37:43
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For two nvidia cards you could use the included sli cables; however, for two ati cards you would use the crossfire cables included with the cards. Disregard this post if I misinterpreted your last post rcranfield.
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Re:GTX 480 vs HD 5970 availability the same
2010/02/24 17:50:03
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Surely you guys jest. You can do crossfire on an EVGA board?? I don't know where I got the idea you could not do that. Was there a time that you could not? I know I remember reading it or hearing it somewhere. If that is the case I might just need to go with dual 5870 set up since there is no such thing as a 5970. It is a myth like the unicorn, or space aliens, or the term 'government leadership'.
Government Leadership? Surely, good Sir, now it is thou who dost jest! Yay, but a contradiction in terms? PS Thanks for all the help in helping me learn how to fold. :)
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Re:GTX 480 vs HD 5970 availability the same
2010/02/24 18:00:08
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I'm running Tri Fire here with a HD5970 and a HD5870 and it's running great. The HD5970 can still be a pain to find, but if you keep your eyes peeled you can snag one. I'm on an EVGA X58 vanilla btw.
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Re:GTX 480 vs HD 5970 availability the same
2010/02/24 19:08:12
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I'm running Tri Fire here with a HD5970 and a HD5870 and it's running great. The HD5970 can still be a pain to find, but if you keep your eyes peeled you can snag one. I'm on an EVGA X58 vanilla btw.
Thanks for that info. I just broke down and bought 2 Sapphire 5870s. I could not find a legit retailer that had a 5970, so I ended up spending a little more. Now I am scared as I have never stepped outside my comfort level of the Nvidia cards. I have goosebumps, tremors, and a cold sweat.
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Re:GTX 480 vs HD 5970 availability the same
2010/02/24 19:14:51
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Surely you guys jest. You can do crossfire on an EVGA board?? I don't know where I got the idea you could not do that. Was there a time that you could not? I know I remember reading it or hearing it somewhere. If that is the case I might just need to go with dual 5870 set up since there is no such thing as a 5970. It is a myth like the unicorn, or space aliens, or the term 'government leadership'.
Government Leadership?
Surely, good Sir, now it is thou who dost jest!
Yay, but a contradiction in terms?
PS Thanks for all the help in helping me learn how to fold.
:)
Truely 'Government Leadership' is an oxymoron. You are welcome on the folding help. So much new going on in folding. I am still stuck in the dark ages. Now that I am finishing up my girls computer I am starting to look to replace my aging dinosaur, and plan on building it to the best folding parameters I can. Even though I stepped out of the EVGA bounds for the first time in buying ATI cards, my next build will take advantage of all things EVGA. It will be late this year when I replace my 680i/2GB RAM/C2D E6850/2xGTS 250. It is still a servicable machine, but starting to show its age.
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Re:GTX 480 vs HD 5970 availability the same
2010/02/24 21:47:48
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I'm running Tri Fire here with a HD5970 and a HD5870 and it's running great. The HD5970 can still be a pain to find, but if you keep your eyes peeled you can snag one. I'm on an EVGA X58 vanilla btw.
Thanks for that info. I just broke down and bought 2 Sapphire 5870s. I could not find a legit retailer that had a 5970, so I ended up spending a little more. Now I am scared as I have never stepped outside my comfort level of the Nvidia cards. I have goosebumps, tremors, and a cold sweat.
Don't worry, you'll be pleasantly surprised 
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Re:GTX 480 vs HD 5970 availability the same
2010/02/26 01:35:05
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all x58 mobo's support both Nvidia and Ati, EVGA dont advertise the fact due to be partnered.
Im sure you will find other members on here who are using crossfire configs on their Evga boards, the NF200 chip doesnt care either what config your using.
yeh dude, it mostly has to do with the northbridge chipset. older nvidia chipped boards didnt allow crossfire, but x58 in an intel chipset, so crossfire is possible. so get her some 5870's, well worth it im sure. 3 days ago there where some 5970's on amazon . com going for 660 each, there out now lol. 3 days ago, i could have sent you the link XD.
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Re:GTX 480 vs HD 5970 availability the same
2010/02/26 18:37:02
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Surely you guys jest. You can do crossfire on an EVGA board?? I don't know where I got the idea you could not do that. Was there a time that you could not? I know I remember reading it or hearing it somewhere. If that is the case I might just need to go with dual 5870 set up since there is no such thing as a 5970. It is a myth like the unicorn, or space aliens, or the term 'government leadership'.
Government Leadership?
Surely, good Sir, now it is thou who dost jest!
Yay, but a contradiction in terms?
PS Thanks for all the help in helping me learn how to fold.
:)
Truely 'Government Leadership' is an oxymoron.
You are welcome on the folding help. So much new going on in folding. I am still stuck in the dark ages. Now that I am finishing up my girls computer I am starting to look to replace my aging dinosaur, and plan on building it to the best folding parameters I can. Even though I stepped out of the EVGA bounds for the first time in buying ATI cards, my next build will take advantage of all things EVGA. It will be late this year when I replace my 680i/2GB RAM/C2D E6850/2xGTS 250. It is still a servicable machine, but starting to show its age.
Yeah, I know... you speak the truth. An Oxymoron! For sure. Sigh. But for a minute there, it was 1776 and we were full of hope... and America... and... Oh well...nonetheless, will be following your conversations and... insights and observations... been looking at at couple of 5870s or 5870s myself to replace my aging 260s. Please keep us informed! Thanks. Aging dinosaur...haha! :)
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Re:GTX 480 vs HD 5970 availability the same
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PS... Thanks too Crap... your insights have always been out of the box for me.
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Re:GTX 480 vs HD 5970 availability the same
2010/02/26 18:57:57
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CraptacularOne
I'm running Tri Fire here with a HD5970 and a HD5870 and it's running great. The HD5970 can still be a pain to find, but if you keep your eyes peeled you can snag one. I'm on an EVGA X58 vanilla btw.
Thanks for that info. I just broke down and bought 2 Sapphire 5870s. I could not find a legit retailer that had a 5970, so I ended up spending a little more. Now I am scared as I have never stepped outside my comfort level of the Nvidia cards. I have goosebumps, tremors, and a cold sweat.
ur daughters gonna love that 5870's its Image Quality is superior to what nvidia has to offer right now like gtx 285 and 295's i just upgrade from gtx 285 tri-sli's. to 5870 crossfire myself
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Re:GTX 480 vs HD 5970 availability the same
2010/02/26 21:17:24
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Just out of curiosity, why choose desktop models instead of pro models for an animator-in-training? I would think the price of two of any top-shelf desktop to cover a good pro model with a full feature set...
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Re:GTX 480 vs HD 5970 availability the same
2010/02/26 22:18:53
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Quadro's are way over-priced....of course, because they are for the business buyer, not the enthusiast. I have never had one, but from what I've read, the consumer/enthusiast gpus perform pretty darn well at professional 3d apps.
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Re:GTX 480 vs HD 5970 availability the same
2010/02/26 22:31:14
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Quadro's are way over-priced....of course, because they are for the business buyer, not the enthusiast. I have never had one, but from what I've read, the consumer/enthusiast gpus perform pretty darn well at professional 3d apps.
Actually, they don't even come close for certain technical applications. The misconception that the Geforce is the same thing because it uses the same hardware is really, really misplaced. Here's a quick review: http://www.tomshardware.c...o-fx-4800,2258-10.html Nvidia uses completely different drivers. Moreover, the support system is completely different. In short, if you are running a technical workstation and productivity is essential...you *should* choose the professional grade cards. Moreover, if image detail (medical imagine, etc.) is more important than FPS...you will want to use a professional grade card. Having said that, I believe the OP is purchasing this system for his daughter who is studying art. Obviously for the rig he is specifying will be more than adequate. Those things aren't cheap, but for certain applications they are worth every penny.
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2010/02/26 22:33:28
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You're darn tootin' they aren't cheap!
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2010/02/26 22:34:41
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You're darn tootin' they aren't cheap!
Hehe...yeah. But, as mentioned, for certain apps they are worth every penny. Especially with the support you get from Nvidia. They certainly aren't for home use though :P
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Re:GTX 480 vs HD 5970 availability the same
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I have a 5970, and a 5870 and every day I am more and more satifsfied with my decision. I did buy my 5970 from ebay, but I paid about 10% over MSRP. And FWIW I paid less then that link.
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