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2010/07/20 09:32:46 (permalink)
Anyone know if anything is in the pipeline for a EVGA GTX 460 1GB card with a reference style heatsink\cooler like the one on the 768MB card? I would much prefer that style of cooler, and would like to stick with an EVGA product for the customer service and support....
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    Re:GTX 460 1GB w\ "Reference" style cooler? 2010/07/20 09:46:27 (permalink)
    I would like to know the same.



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    Re:GTX 460 1GB w\ "Reference" style cooler? 2010/07/20 10:29:48 (permalink)
    Yes, this is being worked on. Sorry but no ETA yet.

     
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    Re:GTX 460 1GB w\ "Reference" style cooler? 2010/07/20 10:33:20 (permalink)
    I'm curious as to why you would prefer a cooler that exhausts some heat into your case?  The standard heat sink is also smaller and has less heat pipes.  It might cool the card a tiny bit better because the fan blows air directly onto the fins, but you can do this with a simple mod with the EE GTX 460.  All you need is cable ties and a decent 80mm or larger fan.


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    Re:GTX 460 1GB w\ "Reference" style cooler? 2010/07/20 11:58:21 (permalink)
    i modded my Tower that i dont need a Cooler that blows it directly out of the case, my tower mods are working way better, so i want a Grafiks Card with better cooling solution..
    i have 2 120 mm fans that blow the air from VGA directly out of the case...
    im just wondering why evga, one of the best Vga Retailer doesnt have a decent cooling on theyr gtx460..
    look at Gigabytes or the upcoming ECS black edition that has Arctic cooling on it..and they even have the VRM cooler on it, and this is what i expect from a company like Evga..that says that it stands for quality..

    so im pretty confused...

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    Re:GTX 460 1GB w\ "Reference" style cooler? 2010/07/20 12:04:57 (permalink)
    I don't really see the point as the EE version continues to exhaust hot air outside the case instead on inward.


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    Re:GTX 460 1GB w\ "Reference" style cooler? 2010/07/20 12:31:38 (permalink)
    _virus_

    i modded my Tower that i dont need a Cooler that blows it directly out of the case, my tower mods are working way better, so i want a Grafiks Card with better cooling solution..
    i have 2 120 mm fans that blow the air from VGA directly out of the case...
    im just wondering why evga, one of the best Vga Retailer doesnt have a decent cooling on theyr gtx460..
    look at Gigabytes or the upcoming ECS black edition that has Arctic cooling on it..and they even have the VRM cooler on it, and this is what i expect from a company like Evga..that says that it stands for quality..

    so im pretty confused...

    regards, ViruS


    First of all, the reference GTX 460 cooler works very well.  It keeps the card cool and it isn't nearly as loud as the GF100 cards.  Reviews show this.  The EE version, an EVGA exclusive cooler featured only on their 1GB cards, has a larger heat sink and an additional heat pipe.  How is this not decent cooling on a GTX 460 which by default has a decent cooling solution?  The EE card also uses what appears to be the same sized fan as the reference cards, 75mm.


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    Re:GTX 460 1GB w\ "Reference" style cooler? 2010/07/20 12:36:19 (permalink)
    Because on the first page of this forum there is a post and a review about how loud and obnoxious the blower style setup is.

    If all the reviewers were gushing about how quiet and effective the reference design from EVGA was, why deviate from that for every single 1gb variation of the card?

    I could have seen doing it for the Superclocks and leaving it the reference spec cards alone, but I guess it comes down to manufacturing efficiency.

    I guess I will wait and see what happens. Now that Newegg has sold out of all EVGA 1gb cards, there will soon be a lot of reviews coming in, and no doubt a lot of newly registered users making posts on this forum. Hopefully it's not as bad as a few people have made it out to be.



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    Re:GTX 460 1GB w\ "Reference" style cooler? 2010/07/20 12:45:28 (permalink)
    Multiple card configurations, sometimes stacked as well, are better when air is exhausted outside the case. Both solutions offer their unique advantages.

     
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    Re:GTX 460 1GB w\ "Reference" style cooler? 2010/07/20 22:41:25 (permalink)
    Without a doubt, but not everybody intends to use aSLI Set-up.

    I want a silent card and if possible I would like to buy a EVGA again. If I look at the Zotac with a similar cooling solution, it is far from silent. I would be happy if EVGA would soon have a reference desing 1GB card.
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    Re:GTX 460 1GB w\ "Reference" style cooler? 2010/07/20 23:13:21 (permalink)
    I certainly await this, I too want a silent card. I already ordered the 768mb version, but I would certainly consider stepping up to a 1gig non-EE card.

     

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    Re:GTX 460 1GB w\ "Reference" style cooler? 2010/07/20 23:38:03 (permalink)
    I can't believe people want a cooler that exhausts hot air into the case. I would never have guessed. The external exhaust seems far superior to me and I consider it a great feature of the card. Well, to each his own :)

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    Re:GTX 460 1GB w\ "Reference" style cooler? 2010/07/20 23:41:53 (permalink)
    In fact there have been cards I considered buying in the past, and after noticing that they didn't have an external exhaust cooler, I didn't purchase the card solely for that reason.

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    Re:GTX 460 1GB w\ "Reference" style cooler? 2010/07/21 00:08:42 (permalink)
    I see no reason why the 1gb model should come with any other cooling solution. Larger heatsink, heat exhausted of the back. I don't see how it would be quieter since the heatsink is a lot more efficient, meaning the fan should run at lower rpm's.

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    Re:GTX 460 1GB w\ "Reference" style cooler? 2010/07/21 00:25:28 (permalink)
    As I've said before, the only motivations to purchase the EE model are if you're running a SLI config or have a case that fails at ventilation. Open-faced cards run much cooler. Exhausting mostly within the case is not an issue and is overstated.

    The EEs run loud, as do most turbines. The 768MB style cooler is superior, it's black and white. I'm one of the few people who actually own the EE model and can speak confidently on the subject. They keep the GPU within thermal spec and are built superbly, however they lag behind other HSFs by a drastic margin in terms of temp and acoustics. The Protechnic fan was not the best option IMO. It could have been possible to fit a larger fan in there as well, which would have improved its thermal and acoustic efficiency drastically... Even if it required a slight hump in the shroud, that's the most significant change I'd like to see in the EE model.
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    Re:GTX 460 1GB w\ "Reference" style cooler? 2010/07/21 09:47:09 (permalink)
    staryoshi87

    As I've said before, the only motivations to purchase the EE model are if you're running a SLI config or have a case that fails at ventilation. Open-faced cards run much cooler. Exhausting mostly within the case is not an issue and is overstated.


    Well wouldn't you want to keep your options open for SLI in the future? Also the open faced cooler MAY (I'm skeptical) keep the GPU cooler, but by exhausting the air into your case you are heating up other components unnecessarily. I don't want GPU heat adding to the heat of my CPU.

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    Re:GTX 460 1GB w\ "Reference" style cooler? 2010/07/21 09:55:37 (permalink)
    I cannot agree with that comment staryoshi87

    I will not go back to non Exhaust type cards and my case has good airflow, its step backwards IMO.

    Yes a Blower type fan can be louder as of way it works instead of blowing down gently onto fins but it can be slowed down to compensate.

    I will not be doing SLI for a long time (tried it though) and I will never buy a non exhausting card.

    So do not make assumption that peeps all are going SLI or or have crap cases please !
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    Re:GTX 460 1GB w\ "Reference" style cooler? 2010/07/21 10:20:49 (permalink)
    I've used every HSF imaginable in tons of different case configurations and multi-GPU setups. I speak from experience as opposed to opinion and conjecture. (I believe I've used ~15-20 GPUs in the last year alone, mainly for testing)

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    What important components reside below the graphics card? The lower-half of the motherboard, that's it. It doesn't disperse the heat upward. Sure heat will rise, but not instantaneously. As long as you have an intake fan in the HDD bay that's generally plenty of airflow. If you have a bottom-mounted PSU or a side-intake fan that'll further increase your capacity to move warm air.

    Mutli-Card configurations do not require a turbine HSF, I just mentioned it as a reason to choose a card featuring one. You're exhausting air within the case, but it's cooler air than the exhaust from the blower. Instead of playing games at 70-75C (That's where the 460 EE finds its happy place when left on auto fan speed - 55% Fan speed ~ 72C (Which is fairly loud)) you're running ~50-60C. A considerable difference at the same or often much quieter sound levels.

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    The 460 turbine model cannot be slowed down enough. Its floor is 40%, which is audible over other fans in idle. When it increase its fan speed to maintain reasonable temperatures, it greatly exceeds the noise generated by other fans. I'm not making any assumptions here, I'm listing reasons why one would want a turbine HSF. Your dislike of open-faced coolers does not constitute superiority of the turbine. I can and will provide temperature figures that support my argument.

    Tomorrow my MSI GTX460 1GB Cyclone arrives. I'll be posting a direct comparison between the two cards measuring performance, temperature, overclocking headroom, and relative sound levels.

    Don't get me wrong, I LIKE this EE model overall, but there is improvement to be had. Mainly regarding the fan. The turbine style does what it intends to do, removing heat from the case, but it is not the most efficient or effective way to transfer heat from the GPU :)
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    Re:GTX 460 1GB w\ "Reference" style cooler? 2010/07/21 10:54:51 (permalink)
    @ staryoshi87 , Do not waste you time as I am not interested !

    I never said a blower was quieter (nor has anyone else) but I did say you cannot state others are all going SLI or have crap cases cause they want an EE model !

    I WILL never use a non blower card again period and that's is a my choice.

    I can hardly hear my 285 at 40% with a Side Window never mind a more solid metal side panel.

    I do not have a 460 so do not know the min speed, but in past cards I have slowed them down beyond the default min but does not work on my 285.
    If you hate noise that much build one with a Passive/heatpipes PSU (limited on wattage rignt there) and water cool all other parts , only way you will get near silence !
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    Re:GTX 460 1GB w\ "Reference" style cooler? 2010/07/21 11:03:32 (permalink)
    I'm not trying to convince you, I'm correcting your misconceptions. You are free to believe whatever you like, but please do not misinform others by claiming open-faced coolers are a "step backward."  What you do in the privacy of your own tower is up to you, but I have a duty to protect the citizens of EVGA City from PC villainy.

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    Re:GTX 460 1GB w\ "Reference" style cooler? 2010/07/21 13:35:30 (permalink)
    You cannot correct anyone !

    If peeps inc myself want a blower card to get heat out case that's is our choice for whatever reason.

    Also if you READ properly you will see I said it was a step backwards IMO !  < GET IT ?

    Do not tell me or anyone else that we are misinforming anyone when its you that is doing so !

    I seem to remember last week you did not know what you were on about !
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    Re:GTX 460 1GB w\ "Reference" style cooler? 2010/07/21 15:11:23 (permalink)
    The reference heat sink cools better and more quietly because the 75mm fan is mounted directly onto the heat sink.  If you remove the fan shroud of an EE card and mount a fan to it using cable ties (80mm or larger), you'll get both much better temperatures than even the reference cooler (the reference heat sink is much smaller and has one less heat pipe), and noise would be reduced since the main fan won't have to work as hard, or at all.

    But of course this might defeat the purpose of "external exhaust", but it may be necessary for high overclocks with voltage adjustments.

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    Re:GTX 460 1GB w\ "Reference" style cooler? 2010/07/21 22:40:06 (permalink)
    I do not understand the problem. Nobody wants to replace the EE cooling solution. Some people, like myself, would be pleased with having a GTX460 1GB from EVGA with the reference cooling solution, as it really seems to be less loud.
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    Re:GTX 460 1GB w\ "Reference" style cooler? 2010/07/22 06:47:28 (permalink)
    Theres a review up at http://www.hardwarecanuck...al-exhaust-review.html

    about their thoughts on the cooler. Didn't say much noise though.

    But i wished it was cooler and quieter. Water cooling it does sound good. But none are compatible they say. And to spend another 200 (pump radiator tubes block) defeats the purpose of a 230+ graphic cards. Also I LOVE the looks of the card. Simple sleek professional looking. But if they take that design and slap it on the reference design then I'm sold.

    and silent is the new thing! IMO

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    Re:GTX 460 1GB w\ "Reference" style cooler? 2010/07/22 19:52:50 (permalink)
    I have to say that I like watching you all debate this as it helps me learn.  I'm a bit of a noob in that I just built a new computer, but used my old video card that isn't cutting it.

    However, last time I built a computer was back in the AGP days.  Then I bought a Dell and stuffed it full of so much crap it was over heating.  So on my new build I was aware that I wanted a good cooling solution.

    I did some new things with this build, but I have to admit, I do like the idea of an exhaust fan in the back of the case for my GPU.  In my new case it probabaly isn't an issue, but it was in the crappy dell I upgraded.

    I'm no overclocker, but this build runs super quiet.  I don't need to hit the top benchmarks to enjoy myself.  But if the computer is quiet, that counts.  And part of that, for me at least, is fans not having to run full blast because hot air is trapped in the case.
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    Re:GTX 460 1GB w\ "Reference" style cooler? 2010/07/23 06:48:42 (permalink)
    It is not so simple. In theory the EE is a good idea, wonderful if you use SLI, but in a normal System it can be different.

    Most system do run a case fan anyway to extract the heat from the CPU Cooler from the case. And in many such cases the additional heat blown into the case by the reference cooler just makes no difference. If you use 1 orr 2 120mm fans at 800 rpm, they push more air out of the case as the tiny fan on the EE version, creating much less noise. So in the end 1 case fan and the reference fan on the graphic card might be more silent than the EE version.

    * I do not want to replace the EE version, I would be happy to have a choice with the 1GB version.
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    Re:GTX 460 1GB w\ "Reference" style cooler? 2010/07/25 12:43:56 (permalink)
    I just bought two 1gb EVGA EE 460 and will probably be doing a mod on them as to make them open face with 120mm gentle typhoons pulling across the cooler. I have a HAF X case so interior temps will hardly be affected since I am pulling a tornado thru my case I will try to get some benchies up before and after once I get everything straightened out ;). (for the record I agree with staryoshi87)

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    Re:GTX 460 1GB w\ "Reference" style cooler? 2010/07/25 14:11:02 (permalink)
    The EE cards are loud, look beyond the evga forums. There are complaints everywhere. I have an antec 900 case, and I dont care if the card blows all the heat inside. My case takes care of that easily. I dont want to hear a leafblower while I game, I dont want to put on headphones or turn up my volume to make up for a crappy design. The ref cooler works great, and is silent. 30C idle, 55C gaming, fan doesnt come off 40%, and that is on the sc models, overclocked even more. I believe the fan noise is the number 1 complaint, and I am sure evga doesnt like the bad press on the subject, as the ref 1gb card is in the works to fix the problem.

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    Re:GTX 460 1GB w\ "Reference" style cooler? 2010/07/25 14:26:38 (permalink)
    dccmadams

    I believe the fan noise is the number 1 complaint, and I am sure evga doesnt like the bad press on the subject, as the ref 1gb card is in the works to fix the problem. 


    I agree but can it really be that loud?  The GF100 cards have smaller fans so they have to spin much faster than that of the GTX 460, so they'll be much louder.  I have to put my GTX 480 fan speed to around 70% before I can hear it over my 12 case fans.   In theory the GTX 460 EE should be quieter than any last gen GT200 card.  Fan size is the same and the heat sinks are similar, but the TDP of the GTX 460 is much less meaning less heat, so the fan won't have to work at such high speeds.


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    Re:GTX 460 1GB w\ "Reference" style cooler? 2010/07/25 14:34:35 (permalink)
    Honestly, the best cooling solutions tend to be those that spit air back into your case. If you want a solid solution that keeps hot air out, you'd be best off with water cooling....

     
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