"that is right side up Steve(GN)" vs Steve from hardware unboxing 

I was surprised how crazy some people have been over not being able to buy a new "toy". GN guy said that it is not like you are unable to buy food or water. A couple forum posts made here really made me feel fortunate I have so much more to live for other than a graphics card release. Do I want one really bad? Yes. Am I going to freak out and throw a tantrum? Definitely Not.

it's not that, it just seems that NOBODY got 3080s online thats why your seeing the outrage.
If even 15-20% of ppl who signed on at 9am est got a card, you wouldnt see this.
Instead u saw in less than 1 second it go from add to cart to out of stock. 

Nvidia said they only started manufacturing in August and the board partners had even less time than that. Demand could be in the 10s of millions. To satisfy 15% or more of the demand on day one they would need months of manufacturing time to build inventory first. The outrage observed has been a little overboard. 

gravedigger78
Nvidia said they only started manufacturing in August and the board partners had even less time than that. Demand could be in the 10s of millions. To satisfy 15% or more of the demand on day one they would need months of manufacturing time to build inventory first. The outrage observed has been a little overboard. 

Considering how they were stock piling die for the GTX 1080 Ti launch for months. Plus the pandemic... yes indeed, priorities.

Paper launches are not good.

Avolate
Paper launches are not good.

Everything we have learned over the past few days is that this was 100% a legit launch. Just the demand far surpassed any launch ever before. There was no way Nvidia could have prepared for this demand. Especially when they started manufacturing on a delayed schedule. This was basically a perfect storm of sucksssss.

Put everything into perspective.
 
I would like to replace my EVGA GTX 1080ti's...., but they are still pretty good cards, especially for what I'm doing these days.  I'm retired and in my mid '70's.  I've got bad arthritis and diabetes and a rare, incurable form of cancer!  My wife of 44 years is going in for major surgery in the next couple of weeks and we're all trying to survive the pandemic!  We're forty five days away from an election that may determine if our country survives for another four years!  (Don't bother asking.  I won't say who I'm supporting and it doesn't matter all that much anyway!)
 
A couple of weeks, months or whatever, isn't going to change things all that much.  The sun will still rise tomorrow and I probably will also.  I'll still end my day probably falling asleep in front of either my computer or the TV.  A few crazies paying unbelievable prices for something that may very well be obsolescent before I can ever get one isn't going to make that much difference.  Being able, or not, to play a game a few FPS quicker isn't going to make your life really any better!
 
Just wait until the price is reasonable, and if everyone does that..., the next time a new card comes out, the crazies won't be able to make as much on it and that will go a long way towards stopping the insane, frenetic wear on your nerves waiting for something that won't mean anything in a few months.
 
Besides..., put the extra money you'd pay now into your retirement fund..., because you are going to need it when that day comes.  By then, the Apple iPhone 72 will be going on sale for only $112,000 and you know you will also absolutely need that because it has 27 more camera lenses than the one year old Apple iPhone 71 that you are being forced to live with, and that has a cracked screen that Apple says was all your fault!  And this time...., the phone really will wipe your butt when you go to the bathroom..., if only you'd learn how to hold it in the correct position!
 
 
 
 
 

HeavyHemi
 
You would like to... but no, that would quite obviously change my whole point and put it squarely back into what I am critiquing. I might as well not even have made a post if we added your caveat.

I agree with what you are saying regardless. I tend to just try and see things as a devil's advocate a lot, and also am not the greatest at turning thoughts to words.  It is one thing to express "well poo, I didn't get one, who else got shafted?" Another to just go on and on about how your life is ruined and blah blah. Then putting in all this effort trying to make it into a "problem" that affects others. Light dissatisfaction vs burn it down. 

In lieu of playing games, I've taken to just basking in the saltiness of all the entitled manchildren who somehow expected they'd get a highly anticipated piece of hardware on day one in a market that is beyond desperate for supply which is constrained because of a global pandemic and demand that has been at record highs for 6 months straight because of that same pandemic. People new 30xx was coming and 20xxs were still selling as fast as they could make them. What, other than a total disregard of reality, or thinking they were True Gamer #1 God-King of the PC Master Race and Heir of All the Joociest of Circuits, would compel anyone to think they would without a shadow of a doubt be getting a card on release day is beyond me. I don't even think people were this mad when toilet paper was impossible to find...

Also kudos to every customer facing person in the industry for maintaining their cool and not just outright laughing at us all.

ThaWhistle
In lieu of playing games, I've taken to just basking in the saltiness of all the entitled manchildren who somehow expected they'd get a highly anticipated piece of hardware on day one in a market that is beyond desperate for supply which is constrained because of a global pandemic and demand that has been at record highs for 6 months straight because of that same pandemic. People new 30xx was coming and 20xxs were still selling as fast as they could make them. What, other than a total disregard of reality, or thinking they were True Gamer #1 God-King of the PC Master Race and Heir of All the Joociest of Circuits, would compel anyone to think they would without a shadow of a doubt be getting a card on release day is beyond me. I don't even think people were this mad when toilet paper was impossible to find...

Also kudos to every customer facing person in the industry for maintaining their cool and not just outright laughing at us all.

Agreed.  I definitely wouldn't want to be in any retailer, customer-facing shoes right now.  They're taking all the heat for the oversight by management.  Be kind to them. If you must complain, direct them to the decision makers in the company (I really do think EVGA does manually review all of the orders here due to lower stock/single brand compared to the likes of Amazon, Newegg, etc...who carries all brands). 

ThaWhistle

Systom

ThaWhistle
In lieu of playing games, I've taken to just basking in the saltiness of all the entitled manchildren who somehow expected they'd get a highly anticipated piece of hardware on day one in a market that is beyond desperate for supply which is constrained because of a global pandemic and demand that has been at record highs for 6 months straight because of that same pandemic. People new 30xx was coming and 20xxs were still selling as fast as they could make them. What, other than a total disregard of reality, or thinking they were True Gamer #1 God-King of the PC Master Race and Heir of All the Joociest of Circuits, would compel anyone to think they would without a shadow of a doubt be getting a card on release day is beyond me. I don't even think people were this mad when toilet paper was impossible to find...

Also kudos to every customer facing person in the industry for maintaining their cool and not just outright laughing at us all.

You may not have heard that this happened because of bots. I can't speak on behalf of EVERYONE, but I'm thinking that's the REAL reason why people are pissed because instead of having little chance, we had NO chance.
 
I personally have NO PROBLEM waiting at all, and I've been doing this for years at all launches and sometimes I get lucky, and sometimes I don't. Playing the supply and demand game at launch and "losing" man to man? NO PROBLEM, I'd support what you're saying 100% if people were crying because of just that. But that's not the case here at all. Though true, bots/automation processes have been around for a long time now, it was NEVER this BAD. I think that's what some people are failing to understand here and the PROOF is definitely in the pudding, look around.
 
Why are the anti's ignoring that blatant fact and just trying to accept that as being normal?

Yes, I've seen the conspiracies and screeching about bots, people have been claiming the scalper bot apocalypse was nigh since before we even had an announcement of an announcement for the 30xxs. There's very little evidence to show there was really a significant amount of bot activity, and until someone posts a picture of a pallet of 3080s, there's even less to suggest these were real orders and that they are even going to be fulfilled. The majority of the orders so far almost definitely went to legitimate people, but people who successfully ordered a card are without question going to be less vocal than those who thought they were somehow destined to be getting a card in launch day.

Wrong.

HeavyHemi

Systom
It's odd that anyone is trying to justify that bots stealing and reselling everything at ridiculous prices is an OK thing by stating IT R NOT ESSENTIAL LIKE FEWD. That's not the point...jeez.

Especially these techtubers who clearly forgot where they once came from themselves when they had no review samples nor money and had to wait in line like the rest of us. Even STILL, if marketing wasn't a thing and if they had to stand in line like the rest of us in order to get a card to review it for their business? They'd be singing a different tune. 

I do not believe that was the argument.  The argument is, 'unless your business or livelihood depends upon this specific item' you're wasting your life trying to get a luxury item in short supply. It really is that simple. No need to add any layers. If folks want to do that AND make their troubles public...oh well.

That IS the argument, regardless of who said what. You can't know why anyone wants or needs anything, therefor how can you assume and say anything about it or anyone at all for their use-case or even their passion? Why does one person get to dictate this over another? Though I agree, if people want to get mad and post it online, that's their prerogative.
 
Once again, it's the BOTS situation, NOT the supply and demand. I know there's people who are pissed about not getting something due to supply and demand, sure, but it's the BOTS this time around that's a BIG BIG problem and unless people SPEAK UP about this in hopes of having some kinda change instead of letting THEIR market be some kinda wild wild west free for all, NOTHING will change and I GUARANTEE you that if it's ignored and allowed, it'll get BAD in the future regardless if they increased product by ten-fold. GREED has no limits. These companies CAN do better than what they're doing now, they probably just don't want to spend the money on doing so.

Systom

HeavyHemi

Systom
It's odd that anyone is trying to justify that bots stealing and reselling everything at ridiculous prices is an OK thing by stating IT R NOT ESSENTIAL LIKE FEWD. That's not the point...jeez.

Especially these techtubers who clearly forgot where they once came from themselves when they had no review samples nor money and had to wait in line like the rest of us. Even STILL, if marketing wasn't a thing and if they had to stand in line like the rest of us in order to get a card to review it for their business? They'd be singing a different tune. 

I do not believe that was the argument.  The argument is, 'unless your business or livelihood depends upon this specific item' you're wasting your life trying to get a luxury item in short supply. It really is that simple. No need to add any layers. If folks want to do that AND make their troubles public...oh well.

That IS the argument, regardless of who said what. You can't know why anyone wants or needs anything, therefor how can you assume and say anything about it or anyone at all for their use-case or even their passion? Why does one person get to dictate this over another? Though I agree, if people want to get mad and post it online, that's their prerogative.
 
Once again, it's the BOTS situation, NOT the supply and demand. I know there's people who are pissed about not getting something due to supply and demand, sure, but it's the BOTS this time around that's a BIG BIG problem and unless people SPEAK UP about this in hopes of having some kinda change instead of letting THEIR market be some kinda wild wild west free for all, NOTHING will change and I GUARANTEE you that if it's ignored and allowed, it'll get BAD in the future regardless if they increased product by ten-fold. GREED has no limits. These companies CAN do better than what they're doing now, they probably just don't want to spend the money on doing so.

What are you babbling about. Why are you demanding I have no right to express an opinion? That is YOUR argument not THE argument. Calm down...the world is not ending. I didn't assume anything.
Here's you and your assumptions:
 
"It's odd that anyone is trying to justify that bots stealing and reselling everything at ridiculous prices is an OK thing by stating IT R NOT ESSENTIAL LIKE FEWD."
 
Wow, kids now days.

HeavyHemi

Systom

HeavyHemi

Systom
It's odd that anyone is trying to justify that bots stealing and reselling everything at ridiculous prices is an OK thing by stating IT R NOT ESSENTIAL LIKE FEWD. That's not the point...jeez.

Especially these techtubers who clearly forgot where they once came from themselves when they had no review samples nor money and had to wait in line like the rest of us. Even STILL, if marketing wasn't a thing and if they had to stand in line like the rest of us in order to get a card to review it for their business? They'd be singing a different tune. 

I do not believe that was the argument.  The argument is, 'unless your business or livelihood depends upon this specific item' you're wasting your life trying to get a luxury item in short supply. It really is that simple. No need to add any layers. If folks want to do that AND make their troubles public...oh well.

That IS the argument, regardless of who said what. You can't know why anyone wants or needs anything, therefor how can you assume and say anything about it or anyone at all for their use-case or even their passion? Why does one person get to dictate this over another? Though I agree, if people want to get mad and post it online, that's their prerogative.
 
Once again, it's the BOTS situation, NOT the supply and demand. I know there's people who are pissed about not getting something due to supply and demand, sure, but it's the BOTS this time around that's a BIG BIG problem and unless people SPEAK UP about this in hopes of having some kinda change instead of letting THEIR market be some kinda wild wild west free for all, NOTHING will change and I GUARANTEE you that if it's ignored and allowed, it'll get BAD in the future regardless if they increased product by ten-fold. GREED has no limits. These companies CAN do better than what they're doing now, they probably just don't want to spend the money on doing so.

What are you babbling about. Why are you demanding I have no right to express an opinion? That is YOUR argument not THE argument. Calm down...the world is not ending. I didn't assume anything.
Here's you and your assumptions:
 
"It's odd that anyone is trying to justify that bots stealing and reselling everything at ridiculous prices is an OK thing by stating IT R NOT ESSENTIAL LIKE FEWD."
 
Wow, kids now days.

You assume I'm not calm via text? And you call me a kid? HAHA, because you can't READ on a FORUM, nor have a civil discussion where you can never be wrong nor open beyond just what you think? This is the exact kinda response I expected from you. /no further responses from me