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Re: GHETTO - Hook your Kingpin up to your loop (For now)
2021/02/05 01:14:56
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I love stuff like this! Cool stuff.
Cant wait to see what you come up with!
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Re: GHETTO - Hook your Kingpin up to your loop (For now)
2021/02/05 02:14:06
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Doesn't somebody make a generic block that fits in the place of an AIO pump......?
The generic GPU blocks work if you make a custom mounting bracket using aluminum L shaped bars. I did it before the waterblock was available for my MSI 3090. However the mounting bracket gets in the way of adding some of the VRAM heatsinks which means you need a high speed fan blowing on the GDDR6X.
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Re: GHETTO - Hook your Kingpin up to your loop (For now)
2021/02/05 08:00:05
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If you use a radiator in your chiller loop, you should put a water temperature sensor before the radiator and have the radiator fans only turn on if the water temperature is above ambient temperature. Otherwise, the radiator will heat up your loop instead of cooling down your loop when you aren't stressing your computer.
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Re: GHETTO - Hook your Kingpin up to your loop (For now)
2021/02/05 08:03:58
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Why would you even put a radiator in a loop using a chiller?
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Re: GHETTO - Hook your Kingpin up to your loop (For now)
2021/02/05 12:27:17
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I love all the thoughts! At the time I didn't know enough about chillers (I bought this one a while ago), so I went with one to get my feet wet. I'm going to see if I can hang in super ghetto with the larger reservoir until i can upgrade the chiller. Mine is only rated 1020 BTU, so 299w? That's not going to be enough. I'm definitely going to be looking at the 1/2hp next time. Look what just got here for my lunch break Shenanigans!   You get the idea. The bolts aren't here yet, but can get started on eboxy filling where the pump fins were, cutting up the second Hybrid, etc. Also did not know these were just rebranded Asetek coolers. I'm sure that's common knowledge on these forums but newer to me I guess because I'm just doing this project now: https://asetek.com/ There's our Kingpin 
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Re: GHETTO - Hook your Kingpin up to your loop (For now)
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Re: GHETTO - Hook your Kingpin up to your loop (For now)
2021/02/05 15:45:09
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Yeah the problem would be the block is going to push in to the MLCCs/etc whatever it is on the backside of the card. That's why I'm sticking with the heatsinks on backplate approach, I ain't about that potentially messing up the stuff on the backside of the die life. Sticking 5 on the bigger VRM row & 4 on the littler VRM row of these:  Should do the trick nicely, just gotta get them lined up with as little or no space between as possible... then replace some of the littler silver ones I already have with those where they'd be most effect. I have 2 10 packs coming, should be more than enough combined with what I already got on there. Edit: They're 20 x 20 x 10mm, so not huge, but not "tiny" like the ones I have right now, which are: 20 pieces - 9mm x 9mm x 5mm aluminum heat sinks 10 pieces - 14mm x 14mm x 5mm aluminum heat sink 10 pieces - 14mm x 9mm x 5mm aluminum heat sink So very smol. lol
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Re: GHETTO - Hook your Kingpin up to your loop (For now)
2021/02/05 18:54:31
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I think that's a fill port? it's a screw that routes just down into the loop. Easily accessible by just popping the cap off.  Anyways here's my epoxy job to fill up where the pump fins were, clearly one came out better then the other:  I'm not the most skilled person on the planet o.O In theory the pocket that's left is not the best either but it's better then it was before... Once this is done I can connect them both to a loop and test if it leaks, or even works still. Also just for ****s and giggles, this time I carefully emptied the fluid from the AIO, Radiator, tubes. That's not very much fluid, no wonder they heat up and cool off so quickly. That's not even a 12oz cup, that could be a 6oz or 8oz, I'll check the package later. My Finger in the ride side of the cup is where it is filled to:   Also, on the packages if I had half a brain, it says the screw sizes are M2. When I try the M2 from the Amazon, they fall through, I dunno which what what o.O
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Re: GHETTO - Hook your Kingpin up to your loop (For now)
2021/02/05 19:19:51
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Why would you even put a radiator in a loop using a chiller?
Because the chiller the one user is using doesn't have enough thermal capacity on its own when the system is under full load. I think the idea is to remove some heat before the chiller when the system is at full load, which may work, but it would be counter-productive when the system is idle because it would actually put heat into the loop. That's why I was saying that it would be good to measure loop temperature and only turn the radiator fans on when the loop temperature is above ambient temperature.
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Re: GHETTO - Hook your Kingpin up to your loop (For now)
2021/02/05 19:23:25
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Why would you even put a radiator in a loop using a chiller?
Because the chiller the one user is using doesn't have enough thermal capacity on its own when the system is under full load. I think the idea is to remove some heat before the chiller when the system is at full load, which may work, but it would be counter-productive when the system is idle because it would actually put heat into the loop. That's why I was saying that it would be good to measure loop temperature and only turn the radiator fans on when the loop temperature is above ambient temperature.
Yeah but we're backwards at the moment. Dyezak has the stronger Chiller, and he plans to use Radiators in his loop. I have the weaker chiller, and I plan to just use the chiller, and make do till March/April, but I'll have a much larger reservoir, so we'll see. Probably not large enough to compensate though.
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Re: GHETTO - Hook your Kingpin up to your loop (For now)
2021/02/05 19:47:46
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Ah, gotcha. I am confused as usual.
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Re: GHETTO - Hook your Kingpin up to your loop (For now)
2021/02/05 20:52:30
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Why would you even put a radiator in a loop using a chiller?
Because the chiller the one user is using doesn't have enough thermal capacity on its own when the system is under full load. I think the idea is to remove some heat before the chiller when the system is at full load, which may work, but it would be counter-productive when the system is idle because it would actually put heat into the loop. That's why I was saying that it would be good to measure loop temperature and only turn the radiator fans on when the loop temperature is above ambient temperature.
Yeah but we're backwards at the moment. Dyezak has the stronger Chiller, and he plans to use Radiators in his loop.
I have the weaker chiller, and I plan to just use the chiller, and make do till March/April, but I'll have a much larger reservoir, so we'll see. Probably not large enough to compensate though.
That ain't gonna work. You should never have a radiator in a chiller loop. If the chiller isn't good enough to cool the loop the radiator will make it worse. Must be using aquarium chillers, they just won't cool enough most of the time, and then if it's a loop with cpu and gpu it's worse yet.
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Re: GHETTO - Hook your Kingpin up to your loop (For now)
2021/02/06 00:07:07
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Why would you even put a radiator in a loop using a chiller?
Because the chiller the one user is using doesn't have enough thermal capacity on its own when the system is under full load. I think the idea is to remove some heat before the chiller when the system is at full load, which may work, but it would be counter-productive when the system is idle because it would actually put heat into the loop. That's why I was saying that it would be good to measure loop temperature and only turn the radiator fans on when the loop temperature is above ambient temperature.
Yeah but we're backwards at the moment. Dyezak has the stronger Chiller, and he plans to use Radiators in his loop.
I have the weaker chiller, and I plan to just use the chiller, and make do till March/April, but I'll have a much larger reservoir, so we'll see. Probably not large enough to compensate though.
That ain't gonna work. You should never have a radiator in a chiller loop. If the chiller isn't good enough to cool the loop the radiator will make it worse. Must be using aquarium chillers, they just won't cool enough most of the time, and then if it's a loop with cpu and gpu it's worse yet.
That's my thought process, why I'm hoping to hoof it a few weeks until I get to where I'm going, because I didn't buy a chiller to go ambient. I went to go Sub ambient, post dew point... o.O
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Re: GHETTO - Hook your Kingpin up to your loop (For now)
2021/02/06 00:52:43
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 Don't judge how bad I messed up the TIM on the plate cause A) you should never do this drunk and B) Don't listen to A) We got some Thermal Kyrnaut Extereme to redo it ^.O The pads are just for looks, I actually have replacement pads coming tomorrow, cause why not go the extra mile
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Re: GHETTO - Hook your Kingpin up to your loop (For now)
2021/02/06 03:13:05
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 It's not pretty i just wanna hook it up to see if it leaks tbh. So... I hate these barbs. On the side with metal barbs, 3/16th snug nice a little decent push to get in. On the plastic barb side, that has already been connected at some point with these tubes, Trying to get the bartender to go home with you rough. It's intense. Oh well... I'm missing adapters so this is it for the night...
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Re: GHETTO - Hook your Kingpin up to your loop (For now)
2021/02/06 13:17:08
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The test reservoir is here, I was planning to drill two holes into this (And may still). But the Rtic cooler already has two holes, the drainage ports. (My Yeti 105 only has 1). I doubt it'll be success, but I wonder if I could find this in a thread at Home Depot or Lowes. Then, I wouldn't even have to destroy this, and when it retires, it can retire to something for camping. While trying to solve the problem of storing sub ambient water, my friend said drill holes in a Yeti. I was like OMG BRILLIANT! He wasn't being sarcastic, but really ... that's what these are for right? Cooling your Kingpin If only EVGA would make a hard cooler, but for now ... Thank you Rtic for being there for us!   Also Testing the ghetto thing I made last night  Might still have to drill holes. I forgot I was going to have barbed fittings on inside and outside, that way when I want to drain the PC, I can just detach the inside tubes and drain right into the Cooler. This obviously wont work if the holes are at the bottom of the cooler.
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Re: GHETTO - Hook your Kingpin up to your loop (For now)
2021/02/06 15:06:06
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O.o At fist leaks because, you should not work when it's 3am, you are listening to your Canadian friend oc his Kingpin, and you're drunk. Half the fittings were not tightened at all. But no leaks now and it's flowing. In Theory I could attach it. at least to one side. I have the chiller on now.  I need to find a cleaner way to do this because those hoses are a mess. I think I found a way at Lowes.
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Re: GHETTO - Hook your Kingpin up to your loop (For now)
2021/02/06 15:22:52
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Well some screws came in, and some thermal pads so... Disconnect everything and see if I can mount it? or take my computer and hook this to the Kingpin o.O Or go to Lowes/Home Depot to start finding a proper way to mount my PC, all this crap. Decisions: 
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Re: GHETTO - Hook your Kingpin up to your loop (For now)
2021/02/07 00:35:28
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I think someone at EVGA already did this because it fits a little too easy. with 2mm of thermal pad on the back memory, the plate doesn't touch the do dads on the backside so cool. The front just goes on ... Normal... 
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Re: GHETTO - Hook your Kingpin up to your loop (For now)
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Re: GHETTO - Hook your Kingpin up to your loop (For now)
2021/02/07 02:26:27
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I think someone at EVGA already did this because it fits a little too easy. with 2mm of thermal pad on the back memory, the plate doesn't touch the do dads on the backside so cool. The front just goes on ... Normal...
How much space is there between the coldplate of the back-side one & the stuff on the card? Putting a thermal pad there too would actually help reduce heatsoak on the PCB I bet. Basing that purely off the fact that the little heatsinks I've put in that area of the backplate on mine seem to have dropped the GPU2 temps on my card by a few degrees too.
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Re: GHETTO - Hook your Kingpin up to your loop (For now)
2021/02/07 04:33:29
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I think someone at EVGA already did this because it fits a little too easy. with 2mm of thermal pad on the back memory, the plate doesn't touch the do dads on the backside so cool. The front just goes on ... Normal...
How much space is there between the coldplate of the back-side one & the stuff on the card? Putting a thermal pad there too would actually help reduce heatsoak on the PCB I bet. Basing that purely off the fact that the little heatsinks I've put in that area of the backplate on mine seem to have dropped the GPU2 temps on my card by a few degrees too.
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Re: GHETTO - Hook your Kingpin up to your loop (For now)
2021/02/07 04:40:01
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Here some idle temps:  Here are some load temps, I don't like that the one memory is so high, did I mess something up? :(  I'm not the best overclocker so this made me happy, this is my first bench of the night and my first 15k Port Royal (15230) https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/57974985?And the load from above was from this  Also I don't think the 1/10hp Active Aqua can keep up with the cooling regularly, but it does fine with benchmarks. It raises 2c and drops 1-2c by next benchmark. Very hard to keep the water under 7c, very easy to keep it under 10c
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Re: GHETTO - Hook your Kingpin up to your loop (For now)
2021/02/07 08:13:47
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Why would you even put a radiator in a loop using a chiller?
Because the chiller the one user is using doesn't have enough thermal capacity on its own when the system is under full load. I think the idea is to remove some heat before the chiller when the system is at full load, which may work, but it would be counter-productive when the system is idle because it would actually put heat into the loop. That's why I was saying that it would be good to measure loop temperature and only turn the radiator fans on when the loop temperature is above ambient temperature.
Yeah but we're backwards at the moment. Dyezak has the stronger Chiller, and he plans to use Radiators in his loop.
I have the weaker chiller, and I plan to just use the chiller, and make do till March/April, but I'll have a much larger reservoir, so we'll see. Probably not large enough to compensate though.
That ain't gonna work. You should never have a radiator in a chiller loop. If the chiller isn't good enough to cool the loop the radiator will make it worse. Must be using aquarium chillers, they just won't cool enough most of the time, and then if it's a loop with cpu and gpu it's worse yet.
It should work. If the radiator fans aren't running, the radiator will equalize with loop temperature, and heat loss will be low. Negligible. So, if the fans aren't running, the presence of the radiator should be immeasurable. But when the loop temperature heats up above ambient, turn the fans on, and it will make a difference. It will work. More heat dissipation into ambient will make a difference versus less heat dissipation into ambient. It's an odd choice, but it would definitely work if implemented properly. It might make little difference -- maybe even a negligible difference -- but it will be a difference and it will definitely "work". Just to clarify, I do NOT think that this method would allow the water to be higher than ambient before the radiator and significantly lower than ambient after the chiller. I think the difference in temperature throughout the loop will be negligible. I don't think that the water will be 20c before the radiator and -20c after the chiller with any usable amount of loop flow. But as far as more radiator area cooling down something which is higher than ambient temperature, the logic is sound. This logic is only sound for an under-powered chiller which is being used for short benchmark runs. This logic would allow the chiller to cool down the water faster, when the system is idle, after a long benchmark run where the water got significantly higher than ambient. Or... a heat-soaked loop which NEEDS the extra radiator (because the chiller can't keep up), otherwise things might overheat after hours and hours of more regular use.
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Re: GHETTO - Hook your Kingpin up to your loop (For now)
2021/02/07 09:04:55
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Why would you even put a radiator in a loop using a chiller?
Because the chiller the one user is using doesn't have enough thermal capacity on its own when the system is under full load. I think the idea is to remove some heat before the chiller when the system is at full load, which may work, but it would be counter-productive when the system is idle because it would actually put heat into the loop. That's why I was saying that it would be good to measure loop temperature and only turn the radiator fans on when the loop temperature is above ambient temperature.
Yeah but we're backwards at the moment. Dyezak has the stronger Chiller, and he plans to use Radiators in his loop.
I have the weaker chiller, and I plan to just use the chiller, and make do till March/April, but I'll have a much larger reservoir, so we'll see. Probably not large enough to compensate though.
That ain't gonna work. You should never have a radiator in a chiller loop. If the chiller isn't good enough to cool the loop the radiator will make it worse. Must be using aquarium chillers, they just won't cool enough most of the time, and then if it's a loop with cpu and gpu it's worse yet.
It should work. If the radiator fans aren't running, the radiator will equalize with loop temperature, and heat loss will be low. Negligible. So, if the fans aren't running, the presence of the radiator should be immeasurable.
But when the loop temperature heats up above ambient, turn the fans on, and it will make a difference. It will work. More heat dissipation into ambient will make a difference versus less heat dissipation into ambient.
It's an odd choice, but it would definitely work if implemented properly. It might make little difference -- maybe even a negligible difference -- but it will be a difference and it will definitely "work".
Just to clarify, I do NOT think that this method would allow the water to be higher than ambient before the radiator and significantly lower than ambient after the chiller. I think the difference in temperature throughout the loop will be negligible. I don't think that the water will be 20c before the radiator and -20c after the chiller with any usable amount of loop flow. But as far as more radiator area cooling down something which is higher than ambient temperature, the logic is sound. This logic is only sound for an under-powered chiller which is being used for short benchmark runs. This logic would allow the chiller to cool down the water faster, when the system is idle, after a long benchmark run where the water got significantly higher than ambient. Or... a heat-soaked loop which NEEDS the extra radiator (because the chiller can't keep up), otherwise things might overheat after hours and hours of more regular use.
I guess we'll just disagree on this one, but we're all good. Lot of fun experimenting and different ways to watch people try things though. Pretty interesting stuff for sure ☺️.
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Re: GHETTO - Hook your Kingpin up to your loop (For now)
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I don’t plan on doing radiators in mine. I want to keep moving in the direction I want to be in. I to be able to keep far under sub ambient all the time a s that doesn’t make sense.. I also want to try a Penguin Chiller next, 450w at 5020btu, sign me up!
My chiller was fine for a night of benchmarking, and slowly couldn’t keep up hour after hour. I could only imagine a better chiller, I could keep up all night long and stay at 3-4c coolant temps.
I’m already redoing this. I didn’t expect to have this hooked up already, but I’m glad I did because I learned so much. Better thicker OD tubes, longer barb on adapters, Haven’t even installed the reservoir I bought.
This thing sucks $$$, can’t wait till she’s 🧘🏽♂️👌🏽
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Re: GHETTO - Hook your Kingpin up to your loop (For now)
2021/02/07 13:12:52
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I don’t plan on doing radiators in mine. I want to keep moving in the direction I want to be in. I to be able to keep far under sub ambient all the time a s that doesn’t make sense.. I also want to try a Penguin Chiller next, 450w at 5020btu, sign me up!
My chiller was fine for a night of benchmarking, and slowly couldn’t keep up hour after hour. I could only imagine a better chiller, I could keep up all night long and stay at 3-4c coolant temps.
I’m already redoing this. I didn’t expect to have this hooked up already, but I’m glad I did because I learned so much. Better thicker OD tubes, longer barb on adapters, Haven’t even installed the reservoir I bought.
This thing sucks $$$, can’t wait till she’s 🧘🏽♂️👌🏽
Yeah always fun to play with chillers, and learning how clock speeds and bench scores can change so much with temp chànges as little as 10c. When I got my koolance exc-800 chiller I had a blast messing around with it and my dual 2080ti kingpins. Took a while to really dial in the classified tool to where it needed to be but fun the whole time.
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Clovis559
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Re: GHETTO - Hook your Kingpin up to your loop (For now)
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Fixing up a nice little reservoir for this project. Gonna spoil this Kingpin This isn't done yet. Adding rubber around tubes  
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Re: GHETTO - Hook your Kingpin up to your loop (For now)
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43C highest mem temp is pretty good. My hottest one is still getting to ~60C, and that's with all da heatsinkz & a Noctua 3000RPM monster blowing on them (quite fast, at load). Could be better, could be worse. I'm gonna do some more research on which iCX sensor is which in terms of the memory sensors, where they are etc.
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43C highest mem temp is pretty good. My hottest one is still getting to ~60C, and that's with all da heatsinkz & a Noctua 3000RPM monster blowing on them (quite fast, at load). Could be better, could be worse. I'm gonna do some more research on which iCX sensor is which in terms of the memory sensors, where they are etc.
I'm going to fix that temp. The other two being 35 and 28, 43 was far out of wack. So to get the plate/pads to line up on the back memory, I flipped the copper plate upside down. There is that 1 oddball memory on both sides. Now instead of 1mm closer to the memory, they're caved out and 1mm farther. The pad slipped on one memory, and pushes the copper plate off of that one side of memory. I actually stuck a washer in there to push the plate down and the temps fell in line with the other temps. I'm waiting for a amazon order on Saturday, then all of this will be redone I'll also have more control so I can get it mounted properly. This has all been a great learning experience for me. I was submerging the pump, so chilling the water just to heat it back up. That will be fixed Saturday too. I am tempted to spend time looking at cooling the backside more. I have a feeling when they come out with Kingpin Waterblocks, the back will be neglected with an Aluminum backplate that we already have. There if I spend time on creating something myself. I saw someone on these forums with a memory waterblock attacked to his backplate and I liked that idea. That + Thermal pads + : https://www.amazon.com/CynKen-Pieces-3mmx100mmx100mm-99-9-Copper/dp/B07GPJVG3G/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=Copper+Plate&qid=1613025799&sr=8-2
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