Yeah, about 3% difference between a FE and a Strix OC. Even the thermals aren't really different.
 
Not much of a point in getting an AiB card for more than the FE, unless it's a AiO version that'll actually fit into your case!

I didn't think I was going to buy an RTX 4090 but I did (should see it delivered next week). It's an MSI card with the same price as the NVIDIA founders card. Of course NVIDIA probably makes more money from their cards than their partners do and that is wrong.

rjohnson11
I didn't think I was going to buy an RTX 4090 but I did (should see it delivered next week). It's an MSI card with the same price as the NVIDIA founders card. Of course NVIDIA probably makes more money from their cards than their partners do and that is wrong.

Ohhhh you broke down haha I am still standing strong at least for now... A couple things are holding me back, no full chip you at least know what I am talking about. I am still bummed about it but that is how things go nothing can be done about it.
The other thing I am reading about I do like to play FPS, or even more demanding RPG FPS games. The more I read about DLSS 3.0 I am going hmmm, the AI of ADA generating a frame of its own not in the engine and putting that in between two frames increasing latency I am not too thrilled about. Then no EVGA only AIB I know I can get a cross ship RMA in the USA is with Gigabyte. :/

I do think nvidia should make more, they do all the hard work but they do not give any of the credit to the AIB's that have made the new 4090 Founders well not suck like all the previous generations of them did. It was the AIB's who pushed innovation on what the cards could do so consumers would know what they could be betting. Nvidia finally took what all those AIB's have done and applied it to their own cards. They have also bought nvidia to the top of the benching charts for years to counter their competition. This is at least in my opinion and it does not mean much a kind bad way to do business with the companies that helped push your success. Did you know nvidia is now doing a thing like EVGA did with buying a card not in line or getting a product early with the Geforce Experience? A notification pops up and tells the nvidia chip customer click this link and buy our 4090 founders at best buy right now no fight no hassle....

dragomirc

rjohnson11
I didn't think I was going to buy an RTX 4090 but I did (should see it delivered next week). It's an MSI card with the same price as the NVIDIA founders card. Of course NVIDIA probably makes more money from their cards than their partners do and that is wrong.

Nvidia do 90% of investment/research/innovation/development work if not more. So why is wrong to make more money.
AIBs can anytime cut business as EVGA did, switch to AMD, Intel, or spend more time with family.

The more you post, the more I just shake my head... My suggestion, stop for today (text removed)
 


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frankd3
The only hope to get the potential cooling benefit from the partner boards is a bios that ups the voltage limit.
And then you will be limited by the 600W limit of the single 12+4 pin power connector.

I'm not holding my breath about voltage limit increases.  DerBaugher parroted the similar issues in his Gigabyte dive.
Hidden NVLINK? RTX 4090 Aorus Master Teardown and Overclocking to 3GHz - YouTube
 
nVidia has everyone on a tight rope.  EVGA had to find workarounds with the Kingpin editions and probably had to work with nVidia to be allowed to sell it.

frankd3
^
Agreed.
If I buy a 4090 it will be the Founders Edition only. Easier to fit. Best looking card, imo.
The cooling is very good for the power and voltage limit imposed by Nvidia.
 
Hey, maybe that's why they are forcing the limits so that the AIB cards don't perform any better than FE

Bingo! Say hello to 4090ti aka FE edition🤣🤣

rjohnson11
I didn't think I was going to buy an RTX 4090 but I did (should see it delivered next week). It's an MSI card with the same price as the NVIDIA founders card. Of course NVIDIA probably makes more money from their cards than their partners do and that is wrong.

Not only does NVIDIA make more they also have the advantage of being the stock setting that everyone has to do better then. That overclocking testing is something NVIDIA doesn’t need to spend money on. They are also not spending money on building a new better cooler than the stock FE one.

The one real thing that I noticed is the cards at 1080p and 1440p seem to be hitting a brick wall for performance. It could be that we won’t really see that much gains in a lot of testing between the FE and the board partners.

bavor
I'm wondering if Corsair is going to fire JonnyGURU over his comments that Steve addressed in that video.

Was it Jon who made that statement?
GN didn't specify.

CraptacularOne

ty_ger07

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I'm wondering if Corsair is going to fire JonnyGURU over his comments that Steve addressed in that video.

Was it Jon who made that statement?
GN didn't specify.

No it wasn't. It was just a rep on a forum. But people think that just because Jonnyguru works at Corsair he speaks for the entire company for some reason. 
 
Also regardless Corsair made a public apology to GN and Guru3D. 
https://www.youtube.com/c...oIY-qYZMHm9ZVfSm3GUtLE

Classy move.

CraptacularOne

ty_ger07

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I'm wondering if Corsair is going to fire JonnyGURU over his comments that Steve addressed in that video.

Was it Jon who made that statement?
GN didn't specify.

No it wasn't. It was just a rep on a forum. But people think that just because Jonnyguru works at Corsair he speaks for the entire company for some reason. 
 
Also regardless Corsair made a public apology to GN and Guru3D. 
https://www.youtube.com/c...oIY-qYZMHm9ZVfSm3GUtLE

yes it was him.

D3mes

CraptacularOne

ty_ger07

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I'm wondering if Corsair is going to fire JonnyGURU over his comments that Steve addressed in that video.

Was it Jon who made that statement?
GN didn't specify.

No it wasn't. It was just a rep on a forum. But people think that just because Jonnyguru works at Corsair he speaks for the entire company for some reason. 
 
Also regardless Corsair made a public apology to GN and Guru3D. 
 

No, people think JonnyGuru made those comments, because he did, and many people witnessed them being made firsthand on a community Discord. 
 
https://i.imgur.com/GbxyLWR.png
JonnyGuru also went on to call Nvidia "ass clown moose ers" a bit later.
 
https://i.imgur.com/xB4VY5e.png
 
From what I've heard JonnyGuru has now left all Community Discord servers.

I stand corrected. I guess Corsair did a good job removing the inflammatory comments by the time I had looked. I have met JonnyGuru and while I can't say I know him on a personal level the read I gathered from him in the brief chat we had was in stark contrast to the way he carried on in that thread. That surprising indeed that he would outburst like that even if it was on a private discord server.
 
Though having said that I can see where he's coming from. After watching Jay's latest video where he was just removing sense wires from the PCIe 5 cable to test the card's ability to function. The card does indeed just look for a number of sense pins, there is no actual smart circuitry in the adapter cables themselves. So the clip that GN played of the Nvidia tech explaining that there was a IC in the cable seems to be the one that's wrong here. 
 
Jay's video here:
https://www.youtube.com/w...b_channel=JayzTwoCents

This whole discussion seems to still be occurring because reviewers, JohnnyGuru, and Igorslab, as well as NVidia, refuse to just show how this works:



This is the same thing as the with the 3090ti triple 8 pin to 12 pin. The ONLY difference is that there is now four pins, and the “sense cables” sends a ground signal to the two used sense pins. It is a dumb sense pin, yes, but there is absolutely an IC in the four 8 pins. With the dual 8 to 12+2, it would just be a ground cable go to the sense side, because the card only looks for ground. It’s is very simple. There is no ic magically hidden in the Corsair cables like there is in the quad 8 pin. There is nowhere to hide an IC in a straight cable from two 8 pin, like there is inside the quad 8 pin.

Why the reviewers and everyone arguing their side don’t just destroy the cable and look at what they have is far beyond my understanding at this point. They would rather argue than just look at the absolute fact they have directly available, which is the quad 8 to 12+2 cable. Just destroy things already.

gsrcrxsi
the 3090Ti, at least the EVGA model (not sure about others), even though it was using the 16-pin connector, it was not to spec and they must be grounding the sense pins on the GPU-side, or totally ignoring the sense pins altogether and setting power limit static in the BIOS. that's the only reason the 3090Ti 16-pin would act differently than the 4090 16-pin.
 
I speculated that this was the case when the 3090Ti was released, but EVGA wouldnt confirm if they were using the 16-pin to spec or not. I'm sure they didnt want to admit that it wasnt implemented to spec and was instead a bit of a kludge.

EVGA never included a 16 pin. It was a triple 8 to 12 pin for the 3090ti. The Powerlink’s were 16 pin, and the sense pins on the powerlinks just went to ground. EVGA wouldn’t confirm the spec for a cable that does not exist in their inventory.

The PerFE cable is two 6 pins to 12 pins. I would bet anything that running two grounds to the two sense pins using an PerFE cable would fully unlock the 600w ability of a 4090.

the_Scarlet_one
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The PerFE cable is two 6 pins to 12 pins. I would bet anything that running two grounds to the two sense pins using an PerFE cable would fully unlock the 600w ability of a 4090.

Not recommended.

austin86
As long as your cable is up to snuff it will work fine. the sense cables are just fancy grounds.  Heck I ran 450-500w off 2 6 pins with my quad 4890 setup, granted that was with very short 16 gauge cable that I made.

EVGA would never condone it though, to avoid any liability. which is why they only gave a distant and short "not recommended" response.