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2020/06/04 22:05:20 (permalink)
So long story short this GPU died when gaming, so I cleaned the PCB up best I could it looks like the 2nd from the top most of the tracer is missing due to where the resistor popped, any one know if this is repairable or is it now just a paper weight?
 
 

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Re: GTX 1070 blown resistors and out of warranty 2020/06/04 22:21:03 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby loveordie 2020/06/04 23:26:52
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So long story short this GPU died when gaming, so I cleaned the PCB up best I could it looks like the 2nd from the top most of the tracer is missing due to where the resistor popped, any one know if this is repairable or is it now just a paper weight?
 
 



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Re: GTX 1070 blown resistors and out of warranty 2020/06/04 22:48:25 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby loveordie 2020/06/04 23:26:51
You could take it to a good PC repair shop and see if they can maybe possibly perhaps fix it somehow..But on the surface, it looks like a 'parts card' to me.

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Re: GTX 1070 blown resistors and out of warranty 2020/06/04 23:43:22 (permalink)
In the bin it goes then looking closer i don't think anything can be done as its burnt the PCB.

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Re: GTX 1070 blown resistors and out of warranty 2020/06/05 00:08:26 (permalink)
Be me, I would save it for parts..Caps, resistors, fans, screws and whatnot.

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Re: GTX 1070 blown resistors and out of warranty 2020/06/05 04:18:15 (permalink)
Heres the real damage the 3rd top resistor just feel off cleaning it lol.
 


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Re: GTX 1070 blown resistors and out of warranty 2020/06/05 04:33:23 (permalink)
It looks like some very serious damage and anyone trying to repair it would probably charge a lot.

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Re: GTX 1070 blown resistors and out of warranty 2020/06/05 05:33:07 (permalink)
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It looks like some very serious damage and anyone trying to repair it would probably charge a lot.


Nope all I have done was remove the fired resistors using a blob of solider then cleaned it sadly whats left is what was still attached to the PCB.

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Re: GTX 1070 blown resistors and out of warranty 2020/06/05 07:50:24 (permalink)
Not a resistor. Capacitor. Multi-layer ceramic capacitor. The ceramic cracks due to shock or heat stress and then the load causes it to shear, the thin metal plates from one side touch the thin metal plates on the other side, it shorts, makes a bunch of heat, and burns.
 
You can tell that it is a multi-layer ceramic capacitor from its color, and also because a resistor won't fail like that all of the sudden for no apparent reason.  A multi-layer ceramic capacitor, on the other hand, will.
 
There's an EEVBlog video on youtube which goes into depth about this type of failure and why it happens.
 
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Re: GTX 1070 blown resistors and out of warranty 2020/06/05 08:32:30 (permalink)
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In the bin it goes then looking closer i don't think anything can be done as its burnt the PCB.




 
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Re: GTX 1070 blown resistors and out of warranty 2020/06/05 12:21:54 (permalink)
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In the bin it goes then looking closer i don't think anything can be done as its burnt the PCB.




 
Always sad when hardware finally dies
 
1) You would be surprised how much people pay for parts card ...
 
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3) Wall art ... yep some people keep the old stuff for display


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Re: GTX 1070 blown resistors and out of warranty 2020/06/06 21:11:07 (permalink)
A PCB repair shop thinks its repairable they replace the tracers and pads worth a shot I guess.

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Re: GTX 1070 blown resistors and out of warranty 2020/06/06 21:34:27 (permalink)
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A PCB repair shop thinks its repairable they replace the tracers and pads worth a shot I guess.



Hopefully, and it's cost effective.

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GTX 1070 blown multilayer ceramic capacitors and out of warranty 2020/06/06 21:38:04 (permalink)
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A PCB repair shop thinks its repairable they replace the tracers and pads worth a shot I guess.


Definitely worth a shot.  The value of the capacitors is a total unknown though.  There might be a "typical application" example circuit in the datasheet for that memory power stage which will make a viable capacitor value easier to select.
 
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Nevermind, they can just chinese blueprint it off of the other phase which has the same layout.  De-solder those other ones, check their values, and then duplicate.  Easy.  Well, you know... easy if they can easily find where those missing pads connect.  If the missing pads tunnel immediately into an inner layer though, they might be quite in trouble trying to dig at it.
 

 
 
 
 
 
It is VERY odd though that that the one capacitor in green (above) is damaged and so far from the others which were damaged.  Very odd.  Capacitors aren't normally susceptible to failure due to loads in other parts of the circuit.  It should be a pretty high impedance circuit, and shorting out one part of the circuit should have minimal affect on that other capacitor which is miles away.  If the ones which failed are so far apart, it seems that heat or shock isn't what caused them to fail, and instead, it is more likely the failure was caused by higher voltage than normal being present there ... like if they are powered by a 5 volt drive circuit but that failed and was put out 12 volts instead.  Which begs the question, which part of your video card is ACTUALLY broken and is what caused those capacitors to fail?
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Re: GTX 1070 blown multilayer ceramic capacitors and out of warranty 2020/06/06 21:54:19 (permalink)
EVGA offers a repair service at $65 an hour, you can ask them directly about it. I had them attempt to fix a blown choke on a Titan Black, unfortunately the failure voltage spiked the VRAM so the GPU wasn't worth the cost of fixing. 


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Re: GTX 1070 blown multilayer ceramic capacitors and out of warranty 2020/06/06 21:55:57 (permalink)
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EVGA offers a repair service at $65 an hour, you can ask them directly about it. I had them attempt to fix a blown choke on a Titan Black, unfortunately the failure voltage spiked the VRAM so the GPU wasn't worth the cost of fixing. 


No they don't.  They terminated their repair service quite a while ago.  ... Unless they just recently secretly re-instated it.  Have a link?

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Re: GTX 1070 blown multilayer ceramic capacitors and out of warranty 2020/06/07 22:11:48 (permalink)
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EVGA offers a repair service at $65 an hour, you can ask them directly about it. I had them attempt to fix a blown choke on a Titan Black, unfortunately the failure voltage spiked the VRAM so the GPU wasn't worth the cost of fixing. 


No they don't.  They terminated their repair service quite a while ago.  ... Unless they just recently secretly re-instated it.  Have a link?




Yeah I've tried contracting them and they did 1st offer a repair, but once they saw the damage from photos I sent they said because the pads were gone it can't be paired, so I guess a PCB repair shop has more of a focus on just the PCB than EVGA.

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Re: GTX 1070 blown multilayer ceramic capacitors and out of warranty 2020/06/07 22:15:40 (permalink)
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A PCB repair shop thinks its repairable they replace the tracers and pads worth a shot I guess.


Definitely worth a shot.  The value of the capacitors is a total unknown though.  There might be a "typical application" example circuit in the datasheet for that memory power stage which will make a viable capacitor value easier to select.
 
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Nevermind, they can just chinese blueprint it off of the other phase which has the same layout.  De-solder those other ones, check their values, and then duplicate.  Easy.  Well, you know... easy if they can easily find where those missing pads connect.  If the missing pads tunnel immediately into an inner layer though, they might be quite in trouble trying to dig at it.
 

 
 
 
 
 
It is VERY odd though that that the one capacitor in green (above) is damaged and so far from the others which were damaged.  Very odd.  Capacitors aren't normally susceptible to failure due to loads in other parts of the circuit.  It should be a pretty high impedance circuit, and shorting out one part of the circuit should have minimal affect on that other capacitor which is miles away.  If the ones which failed are so far apart, it seems that heat or shock isn't what caused them to fail, and instead, it is more likely the failure was caused by higher voltage than normal being present there ... like if they are powered by a 5 volt drive circuit but that failed and was put out 12 volts instead.  Which begs the question, which part of your video card is ACTUALLY broken and is what caused those capacitors to fail?




Yeah I have another PCB with similar components so they should be able to test the voltage of them to see if there a match, the shop said they normally fail if there cheap or been over-voltaged from a spike so maybe a bad PSU or something.

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Re: GTX 1070 blown multilayer ceramic capacitors and out of warranty 2020/06/09 23:42:40 (permalink)

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Re: GTX 1070 blown multilayer ceramic capacitors and out of warranty 2020/06/10 08:50:55 (permalink)
Way old news.

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Re: GTX 1070 blown resistors and out of warranty 2020/06/10 11:09:51 (permalink)
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A PCB repair shop thinks its repairable they replace the tracers and pads worth a shot I guess.


They do eh...and what are they charging you? As ty_ger07 intimated, two sites with damage are concerning. Particularly the one were the copper pad and via looks like it's blown out. That's a lot of current and does not appear to be a typical  SMD cap failure.



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Re: GTX 1070 blown resistors and out of warranty 2020/06/10 11:34:15 (permalink)
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In the bin it goes then looking closer i don't think anything can be done as its burnt the PCB.




 
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Re: GTX 1070 blown multilayer ceramic capacitors and out of warranty 2020/06/10 22:09:51 (permalink)
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No they don't.  They terminated their repair service quite a while ago.  ... Unless they just recently secretly re-instated it.  Have a link?




Nope, it was never documented and I only found the details buried on some page a few years ago when I used it. It would be pretty unfortunate if EVGA did officially cancel this repair service, maybe a forum mod can confirm?


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Re: GTX 1070 blown multilayer ceramic capacitors and out of warranty 2020/06/11 04:34:01 (permalink)
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No they don't.  They terminated their repair service quite a while ago.  ... Unless they just recently secretly re-instated it.  Have a link?




Nope, it was never documented and I only found the details buried on some page a few years ago when I used it. It would be pretty unfortunate if EVGA did officially cancel this repair service, maybe a forum mod can confirm?

EVGA employees have confirmed multiple times in various threads during the previous years that they do not offer a repair service.

For example, in 2017:
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Unfortunately, we do not offer a repair service either. We apologize for any inconvenience.


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I found a thread online that said EVGA offers a pay-for-repair service on their cards if out of warranty, is that still available? I purchased an unregistered card secondhand and it died shortly after... 

As Scarlet stated, we stopped offering out of warranty repair service a while ago, as in many cases it was more costly to repair (if a repair was even possible) than it was to purchase a new product. No only that, but in most cases of an out of warranty item, the components necessary for repairs may no longer be available. If there is something repairable on a product, in most cases, a local electronics repair shop would be your best option.

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Re: GTX 1070 blown resistors and out of warranty 2020/06/11 21:32:23 (permalink)
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A PCB repair shop thinks its repairable they replace the tracers and pads worth a shot I guess.


They do eh...and what are they charging you? As ty_ger07 intimated, two sites with damage are concerning. Particularly the one were the copper pad and via looks like it's blown out. That's a lot of current and does not appear to be a typical  SMD cap failure.






Its possible it arced which is why the damage is located in two spots anything is possible, its also possible the card is toast.

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Re: GTX 1070 blown resistors and out of warranty 2020/06/12 12:58:14 (permalink)
Thank you ty_ger07 for the confirmation. Just wanted to be sure! Unfortunately those sorts of local repair shops don't exist in most places anymore, couldn't find a single one and I live in a very large city.
 
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Re: GTX 1070 blown resistors and out of warranty 2020/06/13 22:35:41 (permalink)
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A PCB repair shop thinks its repairable they replace the tracers and pads worth a shot I guess.


They do eh...and what are they charging you? As ty_ger07 intimated, two sites with damage are concerning. Particularly the one were the copper pad and via looks like it's blown out. That's a lot of current and does not appear to be a typical  SMD cap failure.






Its possible it arced which is why the damage is located in two spots anything is possible, its also possible the card is toast.


Anything of course, is not possible.  Actually an arc of that size and distance would make catastrophic damage even more likely. I mean, like I said, just blowing out the via is a lot of current. You just increased that by several magnitudes of order with an arc covering that distance. Good point, however unintended.

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