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Much needed help with a potential broken EVGA TitanX SC

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2017/12/22 03:01:08 (permalink)
I must first qualify this thread "yes, I am stupid!". Just to get that out of the way first 
 
I have been building a new Caselabs monster PC along a similar spec to J2C Skunkworks, this included three EVGA TitanX SC cards. Due to my wife giving birth the build was put on hold for a year and the Titan sat still wrapped in cellophane for a year, until Oct 17. Blasphemy I know given what I paid new for these boards! *gulp*.
 
Anyway, im now commencing the build but I have made a major mistake which MAY have resulted in a dead board.
 
So I have 3 EK blocks and also *Conductonaut* to apply to the GPU. Taking the first card I coated the transistors (or are they smoothing capacitors?) around the GPU die with high temperature clear silicone to isolate them. (I should have used Kapton tape which I have now purchased); I then applied the Conductonaut to the Die and the Block. Fitted the block - all okay.
 
On applying the backplate I realised that I had missed a couple of screws to tighten the block. To cut a long story short I then thought I had stripped a thread of the EK block; (thankfully turned out that it was a snapped EK standoff which I was able to get out and order a spare).
 
Anyway; got the block off and had a look at the Conductonaut spread, noticed I had applied a tiny bit too much (pic below), I thought I would use TIM remover and a lint free cloth to remove. Wrong! All this did was work the Conductonaut down the sides of the silicone (between the DIE and the metal frame) and make a right mess.
 

 
Speed up to this week and I have been using a magnifier/light station with a small pick to remove the silicone. Made a right mess more exaggerated! the photos below make it look like its been under a blowtorch but its not as bad as it looks, its the clear silicone around the DIE thats making it look messy. The important thing is the red circle, I ended up knocking off what I believe is either a Transistor or Smoothing Capacitor (I dont have it). Also chipped ever so slightly the corners of the DIE.
 


 
I haven't ever powered the board. Im unsure what to do next. Either, try the card or send it off to a company that specialise in PCB repairs?
Note - The other two boards are still wrapped untouched.
 
Any ideas on next steps? (Iv already had all the puns thrown at me at work! :P)
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    Dr.Death
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    Re: Much needed help with a potential broken EVGA TitanX SC 2017/12/22 07:32:49 (permalink)
    ''I haven't ever powered the board. Im unsure what to do next. Either, try the card or send it off to a company that specialise in PCB repairs?''
     
    looks like you stuck on it going to work or its not 
     
    if it works fine as expected  , great no harm no foul  .  if it don't or shorts / burns up / just fails or whatever  , call it a done deal  .
     
    I cant see sending it in for any your cost repairs  cause you may find if they can fix it its going to cost as much or more then a new card will anyway
     
    if you look at some tare down reviews of cards  you see some sloppy factory paste jobs and the card are fine 
     
    I assume this is a look at a sloppy past job from a MSI card for a example  on what can be  [they show that pic on cards they see sloppy work or excess paste , I seen worse  in these typs reviews  as well ]  
     
    https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_1070_Ti_Gaming/6.html
     
    https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/GTX_780_SC_ACX_Cooler/4.html
     
    may of been best off leaving that sleeping dog lie  or use a soft cloth or swap to get as much as you could off the top  ???
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    Re: Much needed help with a potential broken EVGA TitanX SC 2017/12/22 11:38:10 (permalink)
    Time to buy a new card. Next time don't use Conductonaut.
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    Re: Much needed help with a potential broken EVGA TitanX SC 2017/12/22 12:11:38 (permalink)
    ''Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut is a liquid metal thermal compound based on a eutectic alloy. Our special mixture of metals like tin, gallium and indium'' 
     
    looks like with tin I could be conductive as well
     
    then this
     
    Note: Conductonaut thermal grease must not be used with aluminum heatsinks! 
     
    http://www.thermal-grizzly.com/en/products/26-conductonaut-en
     
     
    what's the coldplate made of on the coolers your using ??
     
     
    looks like a few guys are using it around ?
     
    https://www.amazon.com/Thermal-Grizzly-Conductonaut-Grease-Paste/dp/B01A9KIGSI
     
     
    I don't know man,   seems you just stuck with what you ended up with   . if it works fine if not oh well better luck next time 
     
     
    good luck 
     
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    Re: Much needed help with a potential broken EVGA TitanX SC 2017/12/22 13:27:59 (permalink)
    Silicone??!!!!!

    Never.. ever... I mean, why?!

    If you want to protect the area around the core, use clear fingernail polish. Never use silicone or anything that is going to require pulling to remove it.

    Conductonaut is also not a great idea. You should be using rubbing alcohol to remove it, not Tim cleaner. Alcohol wipes work best.

    Artic MX-4 gives nearly the exact same performance as conductonaut. We are taking 3-4 degrees difference. There is no reason to use conductonaut if you are not doing the shunt mod. Mx-4 is nonconductive and completely safe to pour all over your gpu if you wish.
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    Re: Much needed help with a potential broken EVGA TitanX SC 2017/12/22 14:30:02 (permalink)
    I seen where a guy said all that for clean up comes in the kit of that compound  ?   sad thing is the damage is done  regardless
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    Re: Much needed help with a potential broken EVGA TitanX SC 2017/12/22 14:46:09 (permalink)
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    Silicone??!!!!!

    Never.. ever... I mean, why?!

    If you want to protect the area around the core, use clear fingernail polish. Never use silicone or anything that is going to require pulling to remove it.

    Conductonaut is also not a great idea. You should be using rubbing alcohol to remove it, not Tim cleaner. Alcohol wipes work best.

    Artic MX-4 gives nearly the exact same performance as conductonaut. We are taking 3-4 degrees difference. There is no reason to use conductonaut if you are not doing the shunt mod. Mx-4 is nonconductive and completely safe to pour all over your gpu if you wish.

    Everyone should have a 'solder sucker'.

     
     
    I didn't have any issues using Conductonaut on the GPU. It just takes a bit a care and time to work in a solid thin layer across both surfaces with no excess. On the other hand, I saw pretty much the same temps from when I first installed the Hybrid with its stock TIM. So, I'd agree using it doesn't seem to make any significant performance difference from stock TIM and it has some risks.
    Proper mating with the thinnest bond layer of TIM is the goal regardless of which TIM.

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    Re: Much needed help with a potential broken EVGA TitanX SC 2017/12/23 14:53:51 (permalink)
    You have a PM from me JimboJet.

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    Re: Much needed help with a potential broken EVGA TitanX SC 2017/12/24 05:57:10 (permalink)
    Hi Dave3d. Thanks for the PM. I cant reply because I haven't been a member of these forums long enough (completely daft really). Can you PM me your email? I am interested. Thanks,
     
    Thanks all for the feedback on my above issue. I will be finding out after Christmas if it posts and I will update the thread with the results!
     
    Merry Christmas all.
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    Re: Much needed help with a potential broken EVGA TitanX SC 2017/12/24 11:15:09 (permalink)
    You got another PM Jimbot.

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    Re: Much needed help with a potential broken EVGA TitanX SC 2018/01/03 01:38:14 (permalink)
    Im looking at a second hand replacement of my T-X SC. However; the model number is "EVGA geforce gtx titan x sc 12go ddr5", I think this might be a french marketed Titan X, would there be any differences on the card (i.e printed lettering - I dont mean the PCB layout) the model on card was still (12G-P4-2992-KR) and I noticed it was "packaged in Germany. Seem exactly the same as my existing 2 cards, except mine are "EVGA geforce gtx titan x sc 12gb ddr5" and packaged in Taiwan.
     
    Thanks,
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    Re: Much needed help with a potential broken EVGA TitanX SC 2018/01/03 06:15:14 (permalink)
    I cant say, but I would be wondering is a graymarket  thing like seen here maybe ??  buyer beware
     
    https://wccftech.com/fake-nvidia-graphic-cards-flood-world-markets/
     
    https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/fake-gtx-960-4gb-all-over-ebay-warning.2529405/
     
    you know looking at even what used titan x at e-bay  and them prices and what a factory referb  from neweggg or even here in evga's b stock  prices , seems a replacement don't look too worth wile .
     
    seems I would just sell off the titan you got working  for all I could get and a to that for a new  something like a 1080ti  .   seems like you get a better + NEW card for a lot lower out of pocket cost  in the end ??? then what do I know ??  sell the good titan you got for 500 add 200 get new 1080 ti  or something as that
     
     
    heck you could get 2 of theses  and be close to as good ??
    https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=06G-P4-4990-RX
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    Re: Much needed help with a potential broken EVGA TitanX SC 2018/01/09 03:05:23 (permalink)
    Update-
    Well after finally getting Christmas out of the way and trying the TitanX which I had damaged, it works! It seems to POST fine/BIOS etc. I haven't put it through its paces yet in Windows but hopefully it was just a smoothing capacitor that I damaged. Will have to test it in FireStrike/Heaven.
     
    I will keep you guys updated.
     
    Thanks,
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    Re: Much needed help with a potential broken EVGA TitanX SC 2018/01/09 07:51:58 (permalink)

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    Re: Much needed help with a potential broken EVGA TitanX SC 2018/01/09 16:47:07 (permalink)
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    Update-
    Well after finally getting Christmas out of the way and trying the TitanX which I had damaged, it works! It seems to POST fine/BIOS etc. I haven't put it through its paces yet in Windows but hopefully it was just a smoothing capacitor that I damaged. Will have to test it in FireStrike/Heaven.
     
    I will keep you guys updated.
     
    Thanks,




    Glad to hear it's working for ya! 
     
    On the chance that you discover any problems later EVGA does offer a paid-for repair service. With your photos you could probably get a quick estimate from them to repair the cap. I would suggest directly contacting EVGA support for the inquiry. 


    Have water, will cool. 
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    Re: Much needed help with a potential broken EVGA TitanX SC 2018/01/29 10:00:50 (permalink)
    Same post I just put in another thread but thought I would add here to finish:
     
    Final Update**
     
    So I finally managed to obtain an identical EGVA SC TitanX off eBay in France! Got it home and it works as expected, cleaned it up, replaced the block and added Minus8 Pads and Conductanaut, works perfect. 99 fps on Heaven 2560x1440 Ultra. (Kapton tape this time!!!)
     
    Therefore no need to mod BIOS. > Although once rig fully built I will be modding all 3 with the HC.425 ROM on the first page of the overclock.net forum.. link wont let me post it, just google overclock.net titanX owners club.
      
    The other result, the so called 'fried' card was not fried!! Infact, I cleaned it up, added Kryonaut (non metal), Minus8 pads and it got 101fps on Heaven 2560x1440 Ultra!! So that is now up for sale!.
     
    Thanks,
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    Re: Much needed help with a potential broken EVGA TitanX SC 2018/01/30 15:42:34 (permalink)
    Sweet.
    Glad you got it all worked out.
    Nothing worse than having issues with a card people spend so much money on.

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