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Re: FTW3 Ultra Shutting down PC 2020/10/10 19:38:54 (permalink)
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Well it's good to know that certain models are having issues, but it's not like I have a cheap model. It was a quality PSU or supposedly was. It's not really justifiable to me that they say 750W and then clearly it's not enough for some known PSUs including EVGAs own PSUs...




 
The GA is more of a budget model of the Supernova line...
 
That's why it's cheaper than the G2 and P2, T2 etc.
 
You absolutely get what you pay for with PSUs normally.
 
Like the new RM series from Corsair is the budget model of the RM series with the RMX and RMI the high end.
 
The difference is that the RM actually does work with the 3080 and 3090's..
 
Haven't heard one way or the other on the other EVGA PSUs... Just the G2, P2 and T2 and GQ 850W so far that work and the GA that doesn't.
 
 
 
 
Shows how important picking a PSU really can be and one really needs to do some research before buying.
 
Research on reputable review sites that actually test and tear down the PSUs, have the proper professional equipment to do the testing and Forums that have a Tier List for PSUs like Linus's Forum or Toms Hardware Guide.
 
 
 
 
post edited by jankerson - 2020/10/10 20:36:13

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Re: FTW3 Ultra Shutting down PC 2020/10/10 20:27:40 (permalink)
Looks like the EVGA 850W GQ also works with the 3090/3080. 
 
So that is something at least. 

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Re: FTW3 Ultra Shutting down PC 2020/10/10 20:42:26 (permalink)
Is CPU at stock frequency?


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Re: FTW3 Ultra Shutting down PC 2020/10/10 20:47:19 (permalink)
No. He had a stout OC on his CPU.
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Re: FTW3 Ultra Shutting down PC 2020/10/10 20:51:19 (permalink)
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No. He had a stout OC on his CPU.



 
I don't think that is going to matter, the OP is the 7th or 8th now with an EVGA GA PSU that is having issues.
 
That we know of.... So far.

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Re: FTW3 Ultra Shutting down PC 2020/10/10 20:55:15 (permalink)
The GA is MSRP $130.  The G3 is MSRP $140 on the website.  I wouldn't call that a cheap model.  Now if they had the N1 that would be a different story.  From a general user who isn't up to speed on the low level electrics in a computer there's nothing on the website to make you think one is inferior except the fan size / type of ball bearings - of which neither should impact general electrical performance but should only impact heat and noise (which yes I know can indirectly effect performance if it over heats but that's clearly not the case).
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Re: FTW3 Ultra Shutting down PC 2020/10/10 20:55:20 (permalink)
I've had this happen multiple times in the past. High quality Seasonic power supplies, 750 watt, which was supposed to be overkill. I finally went with a 1000 watt Seasonic supply and that was the end of the problems. You actually need more margin than you'd think you'd need. I'd go days between the problem happening. 100% solid for the past year+.
post edited by GNielson - 2020/10/10 20:58:17


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Re: FTW3 Ultra Shutting down PC 2020/10/10 20:58:00 (permalink)
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The GA is MSRP $130.  The G3 is MSRP $140 on the website.  I wouldn't call that a cheap model.  Now if they had the N1 that would be a different story.  From a general user who isn't up to speed on the low level electrics in a computer there's nothing on the website to make you think one is inferior except the fan size / type of ball bearings - of which neither should impact general electrical performance but should only impact heat and noise (which yes I know can indirectly effect performance if it over heats but that's clearly not the case).




 
That's why it's really import to do the research. The GA and G3 do have issues with certain GPUs etc, it's well documented.
 
There are some expensive PSUs that are having problems with the 3080's and 3090's.
 
I am talking about $200+ PSUs.

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Re: FTW3 Ultra Shutting down PC 2020/10/10 20:59:26 (permalink)
jankerson 
That's why it's really import to do the research. 
 
There are some expensive PSUs that are having problems with the 3080's and 3090's.
 
I am talking about $200+ PSUs.

What research on EVGAs website will tell you that the GA vs the G3 wouldn't work with a video card that won't be invented for 2 years?


 
The only difference I see is on the +3.3V and +5V the G3 24A vs 20A, and 62.5A vs 62.4A on the +12V. 
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Re: FTW3 Ultra Shutting down PC 2020/10/10 21:00:46 (permalink)
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ngaugler
The GA is MSRP $130.  The G3 is MSRP $140 on the website.  I wouldn't call that a cheap model.  Now if they had the N1 that would be a different story.  From a general user who isn't up to speed on the low level electrics in a computer there's nothing on the website to make you think one is inferior except the fan size / type of ball bearings - of which neither should impact general electrical performance but should only impact heat and noise (which yes I know can indirectly effect performance if it over heats but that's clearly not the case).




 
That's why it's really import to do the research. 
 
There are some expensive PSUs that are having problems with the 3080's and 3090's.
 
I am talking about $200+ PSUs.


^Truth. Very high quality power supply and extra margin on the specs just to be safe. A person could try an existing marginal supply, but shutdowns/reboots means upgrade your Power supply.


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Re: FTW3 Ultra Shutting down PC 2020/10/10 21:00:58 (permalink)
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jankerson 
That's why it's really import to do the research. 
 
There are some expensive PSUs that are having problems with the 3080's and 3090's.
 
I am talking about $200+ PSUs.

What research on EVGAs website will tell you that the GA vs the G3 wouldn't work with a video card that won't be invented for 2 years?






 
NONE, ZERO....
 
Shows how important picking a PSU really can be and one really needs to do some research before buying.
 
Research on reputable review sites that actually test and tear down the PSUs, have the proper professional equipment to do the testing and Forums that have a Tier List for PSUs like Linus's Forum or Toms Hardware Guide. They also have very active PSUs forums.
 

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Re: FTW3 Ultra Shutting down PC 2020/10/10 21:03:31 (permalink)
jankersonNONE, ZERO....
 
Shows how important picking a PSU really can be and one really needs to do some research before buying.

Research on reputable review sites that actually test and tear down the PSUs, have the proper professional equipment to do the testing and Forums that have a Tier List for PSUs like Linus's Forum or Toms Hardware Guide.
No, it tells me that EVGAs website needs to better describe their products.  If they aren't informing the user of the benefits / drawbacks then that's bad.  I also do not see any documentation on the EVGA's website saying the 750W needs to be X specs.  Yeah, don't go buy a $60 PSU and try to run the best stuff out there.  But the fella spent a good chunk of change based on vendor specifications.   EVGA's website says if you're OK with the louder fan and your house doesn't get that hot you'll be fine and you can save $10.


 
FWIW I bought a 1000W G3, I don't need 1000W.  I probably pull half that at best, but I know to buy more just in case.  20 years in a computer industry and you learn a little, not much, but a little.
post edited by ngaugler - 2020/10/10 21:06:45
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Re: FTW3 Ultra Shutting down PC 2020/10/10 21:06:27 (permalink)
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jankersonNONE, ZERO....
 
Shows how important picking a PSU really can be and one really needs to do some research before buying.

Research on reputable review sites that actually test and tear down the PSUs, have the proper professional equipment to do the testing and Forums that have a Tier List for PSUs like Linus's Forum or Toms Hardware Guide.
No, it tells me that EVGAs website needs to better describe their products.  If they aren't informing the user of the benefits / drawbacks then that's bad.  I also do not see any documentation on the EVGA's website saying the 750W needs to be X specs.  Yeah, don't go buy a $60 PSU and try to run the best stuff out there.  But the fella spent a good chunk of change based on vendor specifications.  


 
FWIW I bought a 1000W G3, I don't need 1000W.  I probably pull half that at best, but I know to buy more just in case.  20 years in the computer industry and you learn a little, not much, but a little.




 
I dunno how the marketing dept and the higher ups would take that... 
 
EVGA is in the business of selling products, not telling people NOT to buy them.
 
But yeah I get your point though.
 
 

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Re: FTW3 Ultra Shutting down PC 2020/10/10 21:08:43 (permalink)
I just don't think it's fair to rag on the guy because he only spent $130 and you wanted him to spend $140.  He could have bought something for $60 or $70.
 
I mean come on, I got 20 years in hosting, servers, software dev, infra management, etc and I couldn't tell you the difference in those two products aside from the fans.  I shouldn't have to spend hours searching Google reviews to see that the $10 means I get low quality.  Sure you spend some time to learn not to buy the N version or the Bronze.  The platinum is probably overkill for most situations.  The gold is the sweet spot then you learn EVGA isn't SlickEddiesPSU manufacturing and you find one that seems to fit that's on a good sale.
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Re: FTW3 Ultra Shutting down PC 2020/10/10 21:11:27 (permalink)
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I just don't think it's fair to rag on the guy because he only spent $130 and you wanted him to spend $140.  He could have bought something for $60 or $70.
 
I mean come on, I got 20 years in hosting, servers, software dev, infra management, etc and I couldn't tell you the difference in those two products aside from the fans.  I shouldn't have to spend hours searching Google reviews to see that the $10 means I get low quality.




 
I had over 20 years also in the business, but I was a hardware guy. ;)
 
So it's more my thing, hardware.
 
But yes there is a lot more to buying a PSU then just picking one off some website and going by brand, wattage and price.
 
A lot more than people would want to think.
 
It's the actual PSU model that really matters the most.
post edited by jankerson - 2020/10/10 21:17:04

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Re: FTW3 Ultra Shutting down PC 2020/10/10 21:18:45 (permalink)
Does this issue happen with stock CPU frequency?


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Re: FTW3 Ultra Shutting down PC 2020/10/10 21:20:50 (permalink)
I propose EVGA change their model line up on PSU to match that of their GPU.  Instead of this GQ+ GT GA G3 GZ GK nonsense letters with 5 products at 750W at the same price point lets just simplify this thing.
 
Gold XC3
Gold XC3 Gaming
Gold XC3 Ultra Gaming
Gold XC3 FTW3
Gold XC3 FTW3 Ultra

If they are comparable in quality but are bigger or smaller than lets attach like size scale to them. 


Sorry OP for derailing this post btw.
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Re: FTW3 Ultra Shutting down PC 2020/10/10 21:21:54 (permalink)
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Does this issue happen with stock CPU frequency?

He's offline.  I'll stop posting now.


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Re: FTW3 Ultra Shutting down PC 2020/10/10 21:38:00 (permalink)
I am not overclocking my CPU  and my Seasonic focus gold 750 psu is shutting down on a basic power test with the FTW ULTRA 3080.
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Re: FTW3 Ultra Shutting down PC 2020/10/10 21:39:18 (permalink)
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I am not overclocking my CPU  and my Seasonic focus gold 750 psu is shutting down on a basic power test with the FTW ULTRA 3080.




 
That's one of the known problem PSUs with the 3080 and 3090's...
post edited by jankerson - 2020/10/10 21:42:07

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Re: FTW3 Ultra Shutting down PC 2020/10/10 22:49:08 (permalink)
Kinda worried now about my evga g2 750 watt for when my 3080 FTW comes somewhere in 2021
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Re: FTW3 Ultra Shutting down PC 2020/10/10 23:36:17 (permalink)
Is the card running hot?

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Re: FTW3 Ultra Shutting down PC 2020/10/10 23:41:46 (permalink)
Agree. I have evga 1000w. No issues.

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Re: FTW3 Ultra Shutting down PC 2020/10/10 23:45:37 (permalink)
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Kinda worried now about my evga g2 750 watt for when my 3080 FTW comes somewhere in 2021




The G2 is fine.... You will be OK.

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Re: FTW3 Ultra Shutting down PC 2020/10/11 01:18:11 (permalink)
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I am not overclocking my CPU  and my Seasonic focus gold 750 psu is shutting down on a basic power test with the FTW ULTRA 3080.




 
That's one of the known problem PSUs with the 3080 and 3090's...




I understand, I'm just making the issue I'm experiencing clear. I don't think it's too much to expect for my PSU to work with this card.
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Re: FTW3 Ultra Shutting down PC 2020/10/11 01:23:57 (permalink)
What power supply are you using? 
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Re: FTW3 Ultra Shutting down PC 2020/10/11 06:53:41 (permalink)
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I am not overclocking my CPU  and my Seasonic focus gold 750 psu is shutting down on a basic power test with the FTW ULTRA 3080.




 
That's one of the known problem PSUs with the 3080 and 3090's...




I understand, I'm just making the issue I'm experiencing clear. I don't think it's too much to expect for my PSU to work with this card.




The transient power spikes are no joke with the 3000 series GPUs.
 
Some PSUs just plain handle them better than others do.
 
 
 
 

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Re: FTW3 Ultra Shutting down PC 2020/10/11 07:12:18 (permalink)
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So. Not too pleased with this new card to say the least. Running stock speeds. Fire up TimeSpy...runs for 10-15 sec......computer turns off and restarts. ANY game I run does the exact same thing....Latest drivers 456.71. Switch on the card is set for Normal. Tried setting a custom VR curve in Precision X1 (1.1.0.2) to under 2000 MHz, cause i saw that it will crash is it goes over that. Curve does not take, and fails every time. This never happened with my 2070 Super.
 
Thoughts on what this might be? Is there a log file a can run to find out whats causing this? I have no problem returning this card if I cant find out whats wrong.
 
 




Sorry if I missed it in the thread, but is it a BSOD (blue screen of death) crash or the computer just completely shuts off?  Is it a 3080 or 3090?
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Re: FTW3 Ultra Shutting down PC 2020/10/11 07:43:48 (permalink)
This is why I went with a little higher psu due to these power hungry components nowadays.

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Re: FTW3 Ultra Shutting down PC 2020/10/11 09:56:12 (permalink)
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I am not overclocking my CPU  and my Seasonic focus gold 750 psu is shutting down on a basic power test with the FTW ULTRA 3080.


I had that problem with my 2080 Ti FTW3 Ultra...switched to a 1000 watt power supply and that solved the problem. Quality power supplies do sometimes go bad, but IMHO you need some good margin in the power rating, even if the supply if normally working ok. The two Seasonic 750 watt supplies that both gave me this problem are working fine in my non-gaming pc's.


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