donborvio
Saw the news on this for the 3080s on JayzTwoCents. Looks like the reference uses one MLCC, so you need at least that.  ASUS went all out and did all 6 that way on their TUF and STRIX cards.  Interested to see what the different FTWs end up being.

This is a pic of a strix https://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/ProductImageCompressAll1280/14-126-457-V02.jpg
and TUF https://c1.neweggimages.c...280/14-126-453-V02.jpg
Looks like SP-CAP to me or just covered?
 

NexusPhase

donborvio
Saw the news on this for the 3080s on JayzTwoCents. Looks like the reference uses one MLCC, so you need at least that.  ASUS went all out and did all 6 that way on their TUF and STRIX cards.  Interested to see what the different FTWs end up being.

This is a pic of a strix https://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/ProductImageCompressAll1280/14-126-457-V02.jpg
and TUF https://c1.neweggimages.c...280/14-126-453-V02.jpg
Looks like SP-CAP to me or just covered?
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j0Own0kQAw&feature=youtu.be
 
6xMLCC Strix on video.
 
Looks like pretty much all retail pictures have 6xPOSCAP but cards in retail have MLCC.

YURIIII

NexusPhase

donborvio
Saw the news on this for the 3080s on JayzTwoCents. Looks like the reference uses one MLCC, so you need at least that.  ASUS went all out and did all 6 that way on their TUF and STRIX cards.  Interested to see what the different FTWs end up being.

This is a pic of a strix https://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/ProductImageCompressAll1280/14-126-457-V02.jpg
and TUF https://c1.neweggimages.c...280/14-126-453-V02.jpg
Looks like SP-CAP to me or just covered?
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j0Own0kQAw&feature=youtu.be
 
6xMLCC Strix on video.
 
Looks like pretty much all retail pictures have 6xPOSCAP but cards in retail have MLCC.

This proves some have them and some don't it seems. They are both Strix cards

NexusPhase

HeavyHemi
This is a technically inept and absurd thread. For most applications POSCAPs are superior.
Wow...the internet 'experts'. Why is everyone claiming POSCAPs are cheaper and lower quality?

For most sure. Are you 100% sure this fits in to "most"? That's the reason for this thread. So we can talk about it

As a MSEE, a member of IEEE and JEDEC, manager of the ATE division for one of the largest semi companies in the world (now retired). Yes in fact I am. Just what do you believe anyone here who is not a professional is going to be doing anything but expressing their opinions? Mostly based on what some amateur on the internet posted.

HeavyHemi
This is a technically inept and absurd thread. For most applications POSCAPs are superior.
Wow...the internet 'experts'. Why is everyone claiming POSCAPs are cheaper and lower quality?

The lack of MLCC is so far the only distinguishing factor between these crashing cards compared to other models. This is just a speculation until someone who actually has a proven expertise on such things shows up and explains what is going on.
 
If you have some insight we don't know or expertise in capacitors or designing gpus, feel free to share.
 
I'm not trusting one reddit post saying "MLCC this and POSCAP that" a bit more than I'm believing myself. And I'm not saying either one is good or bad, it just seems that the MLCC is the distinguishing factor.

YURIIII

HeavyHemi
This is a technically inept and absurd thread. For most applications POSCAPs are superior.
Wow...the internet 'experts'. Why is everyone claiming POSCAPs are cheaper and lower quality?

The lack of MLCC is so far the only distinguishing factor between these crashing cards compared to other models. This is just a speculation until someone who actually has a proven expertise on such things shows up and explains what is going on.
 
If you have some insight we don't know or expertise in capacitors or designing gpus, feel free to share.
 
I'm not trusting one reddit post saying "MLCC this and POSCAP that" a bit more than I'm believing myself.

Based on what? Furthermore,  MLCC is the CHEAPER option compared to using POSCAPs. Do  folk even bother to look up the basics of anything prior to starting hysterical rumors?

HeavyHemi

NexusPhase

HeavyHemi
This is a technically inept and absurd thread. For most applications POSCAPs are superior.
Wow...the internet 'experts'. Why is everyone claiming POSCAPs are cheaper and lower quality?

For most sure. Are you 100% sure this fits in to "most"? That's the reason for this thread. So we can talk about it

As a MSEE, a member of IEEE and JEDEC, manager of the ATE division for one of the largest semi companies in the world (now retired). Yes in fact I am. Just what do you believe anyone here who is not a professional is going to be doing anything but expressing their opinions? Mostly based on what some amateur on the internet posted.

Maybe instead of just saying something you explain why?

INGREDCOLD

HeavyHemi
This is a technically inept and absurd thread. For most applications POSCAPs are superior.
Wow...the internet 'experts'. Why is everyone claiming POSCAPs are cheaper and lower quality?

Do think any one was saying that. mlcc is better at filtering out electronic noise 

No, they are not. In fact they are cheaper and generally inferior. Holy cow...utterly bassackwards.  

HawkOculus

HeavyHemi

As a MSEE, a member of IEEE and JEDEC, manager of the ATE division for one of the largest semi companies in the world (now retired). Yes in fact I am. Just what do you believe anyone here who is not a professional is going to be doing anything but expressing their opinions? Mostly based on what some amateur on the internet posted.

Nobody cares about your credentials.

And if it wasn’t an issue, then why is it being silently changed by EVGA across multiple designs vs. what is pictured on the stock photos on their product listings?

You should.     those sort of credentials, I would be surprised many people with them would be on a public forum.   Go visit those forums where a bunch of teens and twenty year olds bicker. 

YURIIII

RogueGenesis
Gotta get them good capacitors man

 
😂🤣🤣🤣😂 Priceless
 

Delirious

HawkOculus

HeavyHemi

As a MSEE, a member of IEEE and JEDEC, manager of the ATE division for one of the largest semi companies in the world (now retired). Yes in fact I am. Just what do you believe anyone here who is not a professional is going to be doing anything but expressing their opinions? Mostly based on what some amateur on the internet posted.

Nobody cares about your credentials.

And if it wasn’t an issue, then why is it being silently changed by EVGA across multiple designs vs. what is pictured on the stock photos on their product listings?

You should.     those sort of credentials, I would be surprised many people with them would be on a public forum.   Go visit those forums where a bunch of teens and twenty year olds bicker. 

I'm retired and slumming ha ha... I don't normally 'pull rank' but this nonsense needs to stop. MLCC are cheap mass produced caps, POSCAP are better quality and more expensive. If anything, the argument is backwards.

HeavyHemi

INGREDCOLD

HeavyHemi
This is a technically inept and absurd thread. For most applications POSCAPs are superior.
Wow...the internet 'experts'. Why is everyone claiming POSCAPs are cheaper and lower quality?

Do think any one was saying that. mlcc is better at filtering out electronic noise 

No, they are not. In fact they are cheaper and generally inferior. Holy cow...utterly bassackwards.  

What's your perspective to the issue?  would appreciate any thoughts and insight you have.  Anecdotal evidence thus far pointing towards POSCAPs vs MLCC?  I also work at a large Semiconductor outfit, but not as a EE but rather IT.  I'd ask some of my designer friends regarding this, but I'm having to WFH for a bit and no chance to stroll up via the water fountain chats...

javelina1

HeavyHemi

INGREDCOLD

HeavyHemi
This is a technically inept and absurd thread. For most applications POSCAPs are superior.
Wow...the internet 'experts'. Why is everyone claiming POSCAPs are cheaper and lower quality?

Do think any one was saying that. mlcc is better at filtering out electronic noise 

No, they are not. In fact they are cheaper and generally inferior. Holy cow...utterly bassackwards.  

What's your perspective to the issue?  would appreciate any thoughts and insight you have.  Anecdotal evidence thus far pointing towards POSCAPs vs MLCC?  I also work at a large Semiconductor outfit, but not as a EE but rather IT.  I'd ask some of my designer friends regarding this, but I'm having to WFH for a bit and no chance to stroll up via the water fountain chats...

My perspective on this is that it would not be the use of POSCAPs which are superior to cheap MLCCs being the issue. My perspective is, if there is an instability, is design not component choice in this specific example. Other than that,  without actual schematics I would just be guessing.

EVGA_JacobF

Hi all,
 
Recently there has been some discussion about the EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 series.
 
During our mass production QC testing we discovered a full 6 POSCAPs solution cannot pass the real world applications testing. It took almost a week of R&D effort to find the cause and reduce the POSCAPs to 4 and add 20 MLCC caps prior to shipping production boards, this is why the EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 series was delayed at launch. There were no 6 POSCAP production EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 boards shipped.
 
But, due to the time crunch, some of the reviewers were sent a pre-production version with 6 POSCAP’s, we are working with those reviewers directly to replace their boards with production versions.
EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 series with 5 POSCAPs + 10 MLCC solution is matched with the XC3 spec without issues.
 
Also note that we have updated the product pictures at EVGA.com to reflect the production components that shipped to gamers and enthusiasts since day 1 of product launch.
Once you receive the card you can compare for yourself, EVGA stands behind its products!
 
Thanks
EVGA
 
 

 
Everyone needs to calm down. lol  This is a non issue for anyone that purchased a GPU since launch.  It was taken care of.  Just the reviewers that had the pre-production models (Not final retail version) were the issue.