Bora1114
 
 
You seem to be referring to large scale miners who buy directly from Nvidia and AIBs. Sounds like you need to take it up with them for selling directly to large scale miners. Most cards run by these farms are well taken care of with the fans being the main point of failure. Underpowered to reduce power consumption, given plenty of airflow to keep temps down, and kept clean.
 
Smaller scale miners are in the same boat as you or are buying from scalpers. Simply because you had to wait 5 months doesn't mean others haven't. No point in attacking small scale miners unless you have an issue with system builders as well.

Don't have any problem with system builders, as they are adding value to the product and putting it out there as a complete system to family, friends, clients, customers. I don't have "as much" of a problem with small time miners (less than 5 cards???), and yeah I do have a major problem with huge miners.
 
1 year from now, some miners may be trying to sell some cards, take a typical 3080 card, $800-$900 MSRP, how much would you pay? how much should you pay? for such a card after running 24/7 for 1-1.5 years in a mine?  This is assuming you're building a nice system that you want to keep for 5-7 years.
 
I am not seeing  bright future for anyone in my situation, I will probably never again be able to buy, off the shelf, a premium GPU, which means I will never again be able to build a premium system for myself. Unlike before, I don't see a slow down or crash in the near of mid future. Regardless of ending the COVID mess, mining is here to stay, and they will get all the premium cards first, I will be pushed aside and relegated to "good enough" for 2 years max GPUs.
 
I have been excited to get into 1440p gaming, but not now. I've been holding off on buying a GPU (hindsight should have gotten a 20 series). My current GPU will probably be 7+ years old before I EVER get a chance at a new card.
 
I'm being told, hey, here's something for you (3060's) a mid-range at best card, good but not premium. nVidia: "That will hold you over kid" meanwhile shoveling the premium chips and GPUs to miners.
 
It pisses me off, frustrates me, depresses me, and makes me want to find something else to do with my time/money. I've been a tech-head for 40+ years, and this is the first time I have just wanted to totally give up on it.

nick_shl

Bora11141. Idk why people keep thinking the large miners are at fault for nvidia choosing to sell directly to them.

Any proof of that? Why nVidia should prefer to sell to miners rather than gamers if they could sell all chips in both cases?

Do you honestly think large miners are going buy through newegg using bots????  They can literally just sign a contract with Nvidia to buy the cards or just the chips in bulk for over MSRP and bypass all the other cuts. https://wccftech.com/nvidia-allegedly-sold-175-million-worth-ampere-geforce-rtx-30-gpus-to-miners/
Even in 2017/18 we saw proper retail supply and what would be expected if nvidia and amd were supplying retailers correctly.
 
They can either sell a card at the promised MSRP to gamers or sell it for up to twice as much without packaging or other junk to large farms in bulk. Its pretty obvious what anyone would choose.

Bora1114

Flintheart Glomgold

sturm375
 
Maybe that's true from your point of view, however I disagree, miners are a significant part of the problem for people like me. I've been trying for just one card, JUST ONE, for over 5 months. When report after report after report shows miners hoarding hundreds if not thousands of cards at a time, and those cards will not be nearly as valuable after the miners are done with them reducing their lifespan but years. 

Why only pick on the miners? Graphic artists, animators, and video editors also use the card for non-gaming purposes. My company (and I will not share where for obvious reasons) will allow a purchase of a card be expensed for some employees - so they can get it for free really.
 
Gamers are not the only one entitled to video cards.

I honestly don't understand where this sense of entitlement stems from. Next they will demand that GAMING CPUS GO TO GAMERS.

Well didn't you know that anything and everything that says gaming absolutely has to go to gamers first and no one else, only after all the gamers have theirs are other groups allowed to buy . But seriously the overall sense of entitlement is actually really low and this is a great community on these forums. We all have our opinions some based on facts some not. Overall it would be nice to see miners and gamers come together to put the pressure on where it needs to be and thats with Nvidia and AMD and the actual manufacturing and supply areas to get them producing as they should. Instead we will continue to butt heads and go against each other.
 

I still don't think these cards are better than 2 GTX 1080s in SLI

sturm375

Bora1114
 
 
You seem to be referring to large scale miners who buy directly from Nvidia and AIBs. Sounds like you need to take it up with them for selling directly to large scale miners. Most cards run by these farms are well taken care of with the fans being the main point of failure. Underpowered to reduce power consumption, given plenty of airflow to keep temps down, and kept clean.
 
Smaller scale miners are in the same boat as you or are buying from scalpers. Simply because you had to wait 5 months doesn't mean others haven't. No point in attacking small scale miners unless you have an issue with system builders as well.

Don't have any problem with system builders, as they are adding value to the product and putting it out there as a complete system to family, friends, clients, customers. I don't have "as much" of a problem with small time miners (less than 5 cards???), and yeah I do have a major problem with huge miners.
 
1 year from now, some miners may be trying to sell some cards, take a typical 3080 card, $800-$900 MSRP, how much would you pay? how much should you pay? for such a card after running 24/7 for 1-1.5 years in a mine?  This is assuming you're building a nice system that you want to keep for 5-7 years.
 
I am not seeing  bright future for anyone in my situation, I will probably never again be able to buy, off the shelf, a premium GPU, which means I will never again be able to build a premium system for myself. Unlike before, I don't see a slow down or crash in the near of mid future. Regardless of ending the COVID mess, mining is here to stay, and they will get all the premium cards first, I will be pushed aside and relegated to "good enough" for 2 years max GPUs.
 
I have been excited to get into 1440p gaming, but not now. I've been holding off on buying a GPU (hindsight should have gotten a 20 series). My current GPU will probably be 7+ years old before I EVER get a chance at a new card.
 
I'm being told, hey, here's something for you (3060's) a mid-range at best card, good but not premium. nVidia: "That will hold you over kid" meanwhile shoveling the premium chips and GPUs to miners.
 
It pisses me off, frustrates me, depresses me, and makes me want to find something else to do with my time/money. I've been a tech-head for 40+ years, and this is the first time I have just wanted to totally give up on it.

You pay whatever the going market rate is or whatever price works for you if you are price conscious. If you don't want to buy it because you are afraid it was mined on then you don't buy it. 
 
Mining has been around for more than a decade, get over it.
 
Nvidia is selling the 3060s to miners and if you believe they are helping gamers with this launch you are part of the problem.
 
I want a 30 series card but I am no more entitled to it than you or anyone else. There are ways to get one with a prebuilt so if you really want it for close to MSRP then go try that. If you want just the card, go buy it off Ebay or locally. If you don't like what nvidia has done, go buy from AMD. 
 
Its a graphics card and the world doesn't revolve around your ability to play games.
 
 

evgaboyd
careful guys, we aren't allowed to be frustrated with the situation

I'm frustrated but i'm not about to lash out at the wrong people and spew nonsense. 

stoney77788Data is flawed on the timing of it all lol, The hash rate has been going up for the last year, it didnt just jump up when the 30 series cards hit the market.

Hash rate for last 3 month:

Where is the flaw?
 

Bora1114Do you honestly think large miners are going buy through newegg using bots????

I think they buy it from dishonest distributors or from dishonest retailers before cards reach store shelf. On nVidia side it may looks perfectly legit - cards reached retailers, huge demand, etc.

philipma1957
I would think nvidia makes many more chips for cards than 2 million in a year.  So maybe just maybe it is what is claimed
a big a$$ chip shortage. Rather than mining eating all the cards.

A Large part of this is a chip shortage. People forget the samsung 8nm node has poor yields and the die size is huge.

nick_shl

Bora1114Do you honestly think large miners are going buy through newegg using bots????

I think they buy it from dishonest distributors or from dishonest retailers before cards reach store shelf. On nVidia side it may looks perfectly legit - cards reached retailers, huge demand, etc.

I have no doubt they also buy from dishonest retailers. That does not negate the fact Nvidia is in fact selling large swaths of chips directly to the miners for higher than msrp pricing. They would have to be stupid to not cut out more middlemen and take larger profits themselves. This would also explain why some AIBs who have had more cards in stock have raised prices significantly such as MSI. They are having to compete with large farms for chips.

Vita1ico
The other day I made a request for 3090 and 3080 . One card is enough for me . If it's 3090, I'll just cancel 3080 . But as I understand it, you can leave a request for ~10 or more cards, as long as they are different . That is, 1 person can redeem 10 cards and do business . And those who need 1 card can wait 3 or more months until people buy 10 pieces in front of him? It looks absurd . Why can't you make it possible to buy one card for one name and address,and block it for life if you try to apply through multiple accounts ? No player will collect a game computer from 10 types of 3060 3070 3080 3090 cards..

System builders buy more than one card and so do people who have graphically intense workloads. Maybe someone is buying one for them self and one for a spouse? No way to tell so no point in limiting it beyond their system in place. Especially when scalpers can just get a ton of different addresses to deliver to.

Bora1114

evgaboyd
careful guys, we aren't allowed to be frustrated with the situation

I'm frustrated but i'm not about to lash out at the wrong people and spew nonsense. 

I like the spirit of sentence. 

I am 100% ok with people complaining about the situation as a whole, it is a cluster%^*&, but I will continue to defend EVGA.  They are under zero obligation to do any of the things they have done to bring some "fairness" into the equation, yet they have, and I see no other AIBs making that effort.  I see tweets by Jacob and EVGA informing people about the queue and trying to help, I see tweets by ASUS saying "look at out new white strix 3070, only $1199, don't you want it suckers?!?".
 
No good deed goes unpunished, and I really hope the negativity does not discourage EVGA from doing the things that make them great.

stoney77788

nick_shl

stoney77788Data is flawed on the timing of it all lol, The hash rate has been going up for the last year, it didnt just jump up when the 30 series cards hit the market.

Hash rate for last 3 month:

Where is the flaw?

I stand corrected on your data there I was looking at a different chart that showed the rise starting last year mid year not in Jan of this year. So if I am wrong I freely admit that.

You were originally correct. The hash rate began rising in Jan 2020, and accelerated in Aug/sept when nvidia started selling directly to miners. It then accelerated again in Dec. He is only showing 3 months.

It's been a long week...I am going to phone in this intro:
 
It's Friday. The 3060s launched yesterday (at least in North America...sounds like EU may now have 3060 queues but have not yet received meaningful drops to those queues).  Go get your card! 
 
As of 9:00 am PT Friday morning, February 26, this is the status of the North American queues (bolded font represents movement from the morning of Thursday, February 25; italicized parentheticals calculate the length of movement from the prior report):
 
Card                                  SKU                        Auto-Notify Timestamp / (Change from Previous Summary)
 
Ultra
3090 FTW3 Ultra                 3987                       10/12/2020 18:51:55    
3090 XC3 Ultra                   3975                       10/05/2020 20:52:00
3080 FTW3 Ultra                 3897                       09/19/2020 19:56:59      (01:23:36)   
3080 XC3 Ultra                   3885                       09/18/2020 08:26:34 
3070 FTW3 Ultra                 3767                       10/30/2020 08:14:25    
3070 XC3 Ultra                   3755                       11/06/2020 14:20:03       
3060 Ti FTW3 Ultra             3667                       12/01/2020 07:14:12  
 
Gaming
3090 FTW3 Gaming             3985                       09/24/2020 16:12:06      
3090 XC3 Gaming               3973                       09/24/2020 00:00:00
3080 FTW3 Gaming             3895                       09/16/2020 00:00:00
3080 XC3 Gaming               3883                       09/16/2020 11:01:20
3070 XC3 Gaming               3753                       10/29/2020 06:20:00   
3060 Ti FTW3 Gaming         3665                       12/08/2020 15:36:57       (00:45:25)    
3060 Ti XC3 Gaming           3663                       12/01/2020 07:22:14    
3060 XC3 Gaming               3657                       02/25/2021 09:06:26    (new queue)
 
Black
3090 XC3 Black                   3971                       09/24/2020 00:00:00 
3080 XC3 Black                   3881                       09/16/2020 15:14:00  
3070 XC3 Black                   3751                       10/29/2020 06:15:13   
3060 XC3 Black                   3655                       02/25/2021 09:01:53    (new queue)
 
Hybrid
3090 FTW3 Ultra Hybrid       3988                       12/10/2020 09:42:26   
3090 XC3 Ultra Hybrid         3978                       12/08/2020 14:19:07     
3080 FTW3 Ultra Hybrid       3898                       12/16/2020 09:04:29  
3080 XC3 Ultra Hybrid         3888                       12/10/2020 09:08:56    
 
Hydro Copper (Delayed)
3090 FTW 3 Ultra HC           3989                       11/13/2020 00:00:00
3090 XC3 Ultra HC              3979                       11/13/2020 00:00:00
3080 FTW3 Ultra HC            3899                       11/13/2020 00:00:00
3080 XC3 Ultra HC              3889                       11/13/2020 00:00:00
 
K|NGP|N (Queue sheet)       3998                       12/16/2020 18:30:20  
 
May your remaining wait be shorter than you anticipate; it is already longer than you deserve.
 
Good luck today; let's finish the week strong! Stay safe!

Bora1114

drewski989

Bora1114

evgaboyd
careful guys, we aren't allowed to be frustrated with the situation

I'm frustrated but i'm not about to lash out at the wrong people and spew nonsense. 

I like the spirit of sentence. 

I am 100% ok with people complaining about the situation as a whole, it is a cluster%^*&, but I will continue to defend EVGA.  They are under zero obligation to do any of the things they have done to bring some "fairness" into the equation, yet they have, and I see no other AIBs making that effort.  I see tweets by Jacob and EVGA informing people about the queue and trying to help, I see tweets by ASUS saying "look at out new white strix 3070, only $1199, don't you want it suckers?!?".
 
No good deed goes unpunished, and I really hope the negativity does not discourage EVGA from doing the things that make them great.

EVGA has my respect for what they are doing and i cringe the most when i see them being attacked. Other AIBs are just following market pricing and are likely paying more for their chips bc of it.

Same as far as I am concerned EVGA has my respect as well they are not perfect but they have done more than anyone else.

philipma1957
here is a white strix on ebay 1799
 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-ASUS-ROG-Strix-Geforce-RTX-3070-OC-WHITE-8GB-GPU-IN-HAND-FREE-2DAY-AIR/402711272443?
 
marked up from 1199 msrp
 
Which effectively kills me as a custom rig builder as the price is too high 

For that price ya might as well just buy a cyberpower pc lmao