jehoffman1

From TechSpot.com this afternoon:

What just happened? We already know that semiconductor shortages are having an impact on multiple industries, and the situation is expected to get worse. It’s become such an issue that the Biden administration is stepping in to try and address the problem.

White House press secretary Jen Psaki said that the Biden team is “currently identifying potential chokepoints in the supply chain and actively working alongside key stakeholders in industry and with our trading partners to do more now.”
President Biden is expected to sign an executive order in the coming weeks directing a government-wide supply chain review for critical goods, including chips, writes Bloomberg. The 100-day review will be led by the National Economic Council and National Security Council. Its focus will be on semiconductor manufacturing and advanced packaging, critical minerals, medical supplies, and high-capacity batteries, such as those used by electric vehicles.
The government intervention has been prompted by the problems chip shortages are causing in the automotive industry. Companies including Ford, GM, VW, and many more have all reduced or say they may reduce their output due to semiconductor supply issues. General Motors said it could wipe $2 billion from 2021 profit, while Ford has cut back manufacture of its popular F-150 pickup trucks at plants in Michigan and Missouri.

The White House announcement follows a January 19 letter sent to Biden adviser Brian Deese from the United Auto Workers union that asked the administration to consider “urging major silicon wafer foundries to ramp up production of automotive grade wafers.”
On Thursday, CEOs of tech giants including Intel, AMD, and Qualcomm signed a letter urging Biden to increase support for domestic chip production. It notes that the United States’ share of global chip manufacturing has dropped to 12 percent from 37 percent in 1990. The demands include “substantial funding for incentives for semiconductor manufacturing, in the form of grants and/or tax credits.”
While the review is concentrating on easing problems in the automotive industry, it could ultimately help address shortages elsewhere, including PC hardware and consoles.

SirKronan

jehoffman1
Where, WHERE, are all the GPU chips going????
 
TSMC's and Samsung's fabs need to be churning out GPU chips at a rapid rate to stay profitable. Manufacturing problems might have accounted for early glitches in supply, but they've had months of production now. Yet EVGA is many months behind on filling direct orders and one doesn't see graphics cards at major retailers like Best Buy, Newegg, Amazon and B&H. Even the numbers of scalped cards available are small compared with the production reasonably to be expected.
 
The chips are going SOMEWHERE.
 
It would not surprise me if the U.S. Government and foreign governments are diverting the GPU chips for use in weapons systems or the like and that's why they are not being made into consumer graphics cards.

Dabadger84

jehoffman1
Where, WHERE, are all the GPU chips going????
 
TSMC's and Samsung's fabs need to be churning out GPU chips at a rapid rate to stay profitable. Manufacturing problems might have accounted for early glitches in supply, but they've had months of production now. Yet EVGA is many months behind on filling direct orders and one doesn't see graphics cards at major retailers like Best Buy, Newegg, Amazon and B&H. Even the numbers of scalped cards available are small compared with the production reasonably to be expected.
 
The chips are going SOMEWHERE.
 
It would not surprise me if the U.S. Government and foreign governments are diverting the GPU chips for use in weapons systems or the like and that's why they are not being made into consumer graphics cards.

NVidia is sending a whole swath of their supply directly to mining companies - and the shortage was said to be getting worse not better, before Chinese New Year is taking effect, so it's going to get even worse... then even worse again because of CNY... then the next round of tariff exemption expirations is going to raise prices.
 
In other words, we're going to see movement equivalent to the week before Christmas, for the entirety of the next 2-3 months, is my guess.  Hope I'm wrong, don't think I will be.

Bora1114

philipma1957

retep88

Dabadger84

jehoffman1
Where, WHERE, are all the GPU chips going????
 
TSMC's and Samsung's fabs need to be churning out GPU chips at a rapid rate to stay profitable. Manufacturing problems might have accounted for early glitches in supply, but they've had months of production now. Yet EVGA is many months behind on filling direct orders and one doesn't see graphics cards at major retailers like Best Buy, Newegg, Amazon and B&H. Even the numbers of scalped cards available are small compared with the production reasonably to be expected.
 
The chips are going SOMEWHERE.
 
It would not surprise me if the U.S. Government and foreign governments are diverting the GPU chips for use in weapons systems or the like and that's why they are not being made into consumer graphics cards.

NVidia is sending a whole swath of their supply directly to mining companies - and the shortage was said to be getting worse not better, before Chinese New Year is taking effect, so it's going to get even worse... then even worse again because of CNY... then the next round of tariff exemption expirations is going to raise prices.
 
In other words, we're going to see movement equivalent to the week before Christmas, for the entirety of the next 2-3 months, is my guess.  Hope I'm wrong, don't think I will be.

This assumes cards are even being made.  all it takes is just one little, critical surface mount component to be in short supply and you end up with a pile of GPUs sitting in a warehouse waiting for parts before they can be assembled.  Just last month there were reports of the auto industry shutting down factories because they couldn't get the electronic parts they needed to finish the cars.  It COULD be miners, but more likely, it just short supply of the parts need to make the complete cards.

 
Are cards being made due to miners.
Are mining cards being made due to mining.
There are the nvidia's
 
3090
3080 
3070
3060 ti. all work well for mining  with only the 3090 being too pricey
 
the amd 6000 series are too costly
 
and not sure if amd is making many 
 
5000 series 
 
pretend 80mh is the average  hash number for new cards
 
12.5 are 1000mh or 1 gh
125 are 10000mh or 10 gh
 
1250 are 100,000mh or 100 gh
 
12500 cards are 1,000,000 mh or 1000 gh or 1 th
 
the hashrate for Eth coins = 385 th
 
https://etherscan.io/chart/hashrate
 
 
the chart shows growth from 204 th on August 10 2020
 
to 385th on feb 11 2021
 
that is 181 th or 181 x 12500 = 2,262,500 cards
 
added to the mining game.
 
I would argue that is close since there are some special asic machines that mine eth.
but some cards no longer can mine eth. Plus my 80mh a card number ag is pretty high 
So the question is how many cards have been produced over the 2-2.5 million cards  number I give.
Some gamers got cards
Some scientists got cards
Some graphic artist got cards.
 
Did nividia and amd produce 5 million cards?  Since August  I do not know.
 
Did scalpers really gamble big time and are they holding 100k cards world wide or 1 million cards world wide.
 
Knowing how many cards are getting scalped would help to understand how bad this is.
If scalpers worldwide have 1 million card inventory and have had solid sales for months it will be very hard to ever see them go.
 
Not know numbers makes this so hard to know how long this will continue.
 
(Hint) eth went up. so bad news.
 
 

AMD likely haven't produced many 6000 series cards. They are using more of their 7nm allocation at TMSC for consoles and CPUS. The 6000 series is not nearly as good as the 5000 series or 30 series for eth mining. They have chosen to prioritize their domination of intel and satisfying Microsoft and Sony which is a smart business move given the gpu markets mindshare issues. 

So first, as others have commented, yes a huge amount of the silicon is going to mining operations. This is no surprise to ANYONE who commented about Nvidia realizing how much they were making the first time this happened. Nvidia would much rather make direct profits on their cards going to miners than have endless armies of bots rip off 100% of inventories just to make 100% markup profits on solely Nvidia's hard work and R&D. 
 
Now, the one aspect of this whole mess that DOES surprise me is the types of cards that are showing up to retailers - at least Microcenter. Over the last couple of weeks, I have spent several nights sleeping outside in below freezing temperatures ALL NIGHT in front of a Microcenter, hoping to snag a 3080. Three of those nights, I was first in line. On one morning, the truck got delayed due to ice rain and freezing road conditions. The next day's truck also got delayed by a broken window, so we were all hoping for a Saturday drop. We did get a Saturday drop, despite this microcenter having ceased Saturday drops for some time. The bad weather conditions are what caused it. Over the last couple months, this MC has been getting drops M-F only. 
 
The vast majority of the cards are 3070s, with 2-5 3090s dropping roughly every week. Not only have I been "camping", but I've been following the discord and getting to know the history and members of the group following this store. The Thursday before last was a HUGE drop with over 200 3000 series cards. 8 were 3080s (Asus + MSI), a couple (iirc) were 3090s. The lions share were 3070s. They lasted for the whole day. Why? That comes to the STRANGE part that surprised me: They were almost all MSI cards. The vast majority of all the 3000 series drops this store has been getting for WEEKS have been MSI cards - 3060ti, 3070, 3080, and 3090. There have been some Asus, Gigabyte, and EVGA - all of which are significantly less costly than the MSI cards. 
 
So what drug deal has MSI done with Nvidia to get more chips to make cards than anyone else? Did they tell Nvidia, "Hey, bro-skillets! We gon' pay you MUCHO more monies for dem GPUs. We got dis. We will just raise our MSRPs accordingly. Whatcha say, bro-skillets? We got a dealio?" 
 
I think PowerColor has done the same with AMD (and likely MSI, too, as their AMD cards are just as overpriced). This MC usually gets one or two each of 6800 and 6800XT drops a week. The 6800 cost $930, and the 6800XT cost $1065-1099. Virtually all the 6000 series GPUs have been PowerColor brand. 
 
Obviously, it's working. The folks waiting long hours in freezing weather in the line are more than willing to part with $1000 for a GPU. Sure, they all hope it's going to be a non-MSI (non-powercolor if AMD) so they'll save some money, but they are desperate enough to camp, so they'll take whatever they can get. I've seen people wanting to buy a 3080 settle for a 3060, or way overspend their budget and get a $2200 3090. 
 
The more I see, the less I blame EVGA for this. I think EVGA, Gigabyte, and Asus are legitimately wanting to keep prices closer to the MSRPs that Nvidia taunted us all with (clearly falsely, btw). MSI, on the other hand, says "Eff it, let's make some dang GPUs and make some money, and at least it will have the side effect that more gamers get cards because we - and the gamer - are paying extra!" And honestly, there is some merit to folks being able to buy a thousand dollar 3080 instead of a $1500 possibly scammy scalped 3080 off eBay...

Gotspeed_2000
Enewt, 
Can you add me to the wait list for the Kingpin.  Here is my registration info.
 
1/31/2021 10:35:39 PM
 
Thank you

Uxbridge7
Greetings had a question for you all ,
as we wait patiently for our preverbal number to come up I was curious what each one here GPU wise was running? I’m on an 5yr old evga 1660ti, and running lower settings at 1440p is killing me , I’m averaging around 75-85 fps in most games but again it’s low settings

criskoe
PartNumber DateEntered Notify Sent
10G-P5-3897-KR 9/19/2020 11:21:26 AM PT No

:( About what day/time we at?

Liftedcross

MikeDz
Apparently more stock for the 3060 will be available soon. I'm about 3 hour in the queue from the last time they were released.
 
Does anyone have insight that I may or may not to get one this time?
I've noticed the price also went up $60. Was the 3665 $430 on Dec12?
 

There was an increase in prices recently. However, as long as you get your card before early-April (I forget the exact date), they will honor the original price.

Gotspeed_2000
Its crazy where I live.  We don't have a microcenter but I check their sites and they have all kinds of CPUs.  5600x, 5800x, 5900x, and 5950s.  I wish I had one near me, but I guess it all depends on where you live and what companies you have around you.  I was lucky I had a pc store nearby that caters to gamers so I was able to get the 5600x for 360 before taxes.  I know I paid over, but atleast I only had to wait about 3 weeks.  I wanted the 5900x, but I had the rest of my parts for my new build including the GPU so I had to jump on it.  So far, the 5600x has be good but I wanted the head room for the future.  I wish micro center would start selling the cpu's through mail order.  The gpu's I can understand that they want to keep it local, but I'm sure that is where some of the scalped gpu's are being picked up from and then hitting the internet market with a price hike.  

static.quai

Liftedcross

MikeDz
Apparently more stock for the 3060 will be available soon. I'm about 3 hour in the queue from the last time they were released.

Does anyone have insight that I may or may not to get one this time?
I've noticed the price also went up $60. Was the 3665 $430 on Dec12?
 
08G-P5-3667-KR 12/1/2020 10:04:25 AM $440 3060 FTW3 Ultra. 2.2 285mm 4864 $500
08G-P5-3663-KR 12/1/2020 10:05:28 AM $400 3060 XC Gamiing 2.0 202mm 4864 $460
08G-P5-3665-KR 12/21/2020 07:32:12 PM         3060 XC3 Gamiing 2.2 285mm 4864 $490

There was an increase in prices recently. However, as long as you get your card before early-April (I forget the exact date), they will honor the original price.

Not exactly.  You also have to have entered earlier or on Jan 13.  I don't remember exactly, but if you enter today.  Your price will be the current listed price, whenever your number comes up.  Probably not before April 14 or whatever that date is.  These things are readily stated with more authority in earlier posts, but I think I am ballpark right.
 
For what it's worth, here is my 3090 hybrid sign-up.  It's four days out from the current release, more or less.  I'm eating popcorn trying to see which comes first.  Probably the KPE.
 
24G-P5-3988-KR 12/14/2020 9:46:01 AM PT