enewt

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      3751        10/29/2020 06:15:13 
 
My date is from  10/29/2020 07:30:08, that means like maybe another week? 

More like around six plus weeks...

Enewt can you plz give me an estimate on the wait for 3881?. My date is 09/18/6:54:57PM. I've heard a minimum of 4 months wait. Thanks

Stevie01

enewt

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      3751        10/29/2020 06:15:13 
 
My date is from  10/29/2020 07:30:08, that means like maybe another week? 

More like around six plus weeks...

Enewt can you plz give me an estimate on the wait for 3881?. My date is 09/18/6:54:57PM. I've heard a minimum of 4 months wait. Thanks

Honestly, guessing is a bit of a crapshoot - there are just so many factors in play that it's hard to predict.. Wish I had better news, but I wouldn't be surprised if you had four months or longer of a wait. The 3897 is pretty much the only 3080 that has had much movement, and even that has slowed down recently. The 3881 is still on 9/16/2020 so I'm going to say it doesn't look good for you...

The miners are buying the cards and putting their own bios on them as I understand. They are not buying only retail products. Nvidia gives the raw gpus.

TheRealMikeVan

Stevie01
Enewt can you plz give me an estimate on the wait for 3881?. My date is 09/18/6:54:57PM. I've heard a minimum of 4 months wait. Thanks

Honestly, guessing is a bit of a crapshoot - there are just so many factors in play that it's hard to predict.. Wish I had better news, but I wouldn't be surprised if you had four months or longer of a wait. The 3897 is pretty much the only 3080 that has had much movement, and even that has slowed down recently. The 3881 is still on 9/16/2020 so I'm going to say it doesn't look good for you...

This . 
 
Honestly, nobody has any real idea.
 
For the 3881, it will be months and months...that card hasn't even hit its launch day of 9/17...its button went live the day before launch.  Given how infrequently it drops, I hope you have signed up for other queues.  If not, I would do so now (just in case).  Best of luck!

 


 
... 
pretend 80mh is the average  hash number for new cards
 
12.5 are 1000mh or 1 gh
125 are 10000mh or 10 gh
 
1250 are 100,000mh or 100 gh
 
12500 cards are 1,000,000 mh or 1000 gh or 1 th
 
the hashrate for Eth coins = 385 th
 
https://etherscan.io/chart/hashrate
 
 
the chart shows growth from 204 th on August 10 2020
 
to 385th on feb 11 2021
 
that is 181 th or 181 x 12500 = 2,262,500 cards
 
added to the mining game.
 
I would argue that is close since there are some special asic machines that mine eth.
but some cards no longer can mine eth. Plus my 80mh a card number ag is pretty high 
So the question is how many cards have been produced over the 2-2.5 million cards  number I give.
Some gamers got cards
Some scientists got cards
Some graphic artist got cards.
 
Did nividia and amd produce 5 million cards?  Since August  I do not know.
 
Did scalpers really gamble big time and are they holding 100k cards world wide or 1 million cards world wide.
 
Knowing how many cards are getting scalped would help to understand how bad this is.
If scalpers worldwide have 1 million card inventory and have had solid sales for months it will be very hard to ever see them go.
 
Not know numbers makes this so hard to know how long this will continue.
 
(Hint) eth went up. so bad news.
 
 




That is a pretty stark picture. However, even the aging Vega 56/64 mines around 32-36 so I doubt that all of the potential 2.5 mill cards are new nvidias. But possibly more than half a mill...Then add in that M$ and Sony are eating chips for lunch for their new game systems and that everyone is fighting over the gddr6 era RAM pieces... yeah, gamers are pretty much screwed. 
 
 

Dabadger84
Looks like Newegg Shuffle isn't happening today and today's gonna be a weak drop day too eh?  That blows.
 
And if you read the post previous to the one I quoted, he was clearly irritated, which is why I responded with what I did, to point out it's pretty silly to be irritated about such things:
 

ftb28064212

mikespontak
Also, GIANT KUDOS to EVGA for allowing all of us in the queue, before the tariffs were enacted, to make purchases for the 30 Series at the Release MSPR. 

 
I feel like you're making the huge assumption that they actually manage to get through the queues before the cut-off date in April (unless they've announced some update I'm not aware of).

ftb28064212

mikespontak
 
I definitely lucked out on 3060Ti FTW (3665) by getting in early in the queue on 12/8/20, prior to any real announcement. EVGA did not have do this for their customer's and went well beyond what I would have expected. 

 
I may be slightly salty because I've been in the 3897 queue since 9/21 and am still far from getting my card.

ftb28064212

Dabadger84
MSRP for the cards is the prices listed on the site now, not what we're going to be getting through April for those already in queue.
 
Just thought that, whatever you want to call it, perhaps "misconception", should be pointed out - prices went up because of the increased cost of importing the things, and increased cost of making them to begin with.  
 
In reality, people should be glad eVGA extended the prices we signed up for before January, through April - they didn't have to do that - instead of acting like it's some right we had because we been in queue since September etc.
 
Unpopular view, but also true :-P
 
I'm sitting here debating if I really want to go all out & get this CPU loop ordered or not - not cheap, but it's (sort of) a one time purchase, if I maintain the loop properly to keep it clean & happy.
Decisions.

You've gotten more 30 series cards than anyone else on here, that I'm aware of.  It seems money isn't really an issue, so you might as well go for it.  Just do yourself a favor and figure out a way to clean up the weird fan configurations and up your cable management game.  You've got a great case and awesome hardware, so you should do it justice by taking the time to do proper mounting and cable management.

 
And there some go again assuming I was attacking or anything of the sort when it's specifically stated in the post I'm not targetting ANYONE in particular:
 

Dabadger84

ftb28064212
 
You've gotten more 30 series cards than anyone else on here, that I'm aware of.  It seems money isn't really an issue, so you might as well go for it.  Just do yourself a favor and figure out a way to clean up the weird fan configurations and up your cable management game.  You've got a great case and awesome hardware, so you should do it justice by taking the time to do proper mounting and cable management.

There's several forum members that are in to mining and/or Folding that have definitely gotten more cards than I have from the queue system & other sources.  And I really don't get why that is such a sticking point for some people - I waited in queue just like everyone else, ain't my fault I got in to queue for the 3080 FTW3 Ultra at o-dark 30 on launch day because I wanted one (and didn't get it until mid October despite being "in queue" for it since launch day) and then later adopted a full "yolo" perspective for "not being able to take money with ya when ya die" and went the 3090 Kingpin route. 
 
Life is way too short to be salty & complaining all the time, live the best ya can (Note: I am NOT saying you are salty or complaining all the time, that is a general statement & not directed at you, or anyone else in particular, for that matter - just a simple statement that I have learned is a good thing to live by in the last year and a half of ridiculousness the entire Earth is dealing with right now).
Edit: I'm also not saying you don't have a right to be irritated at this whole situation, because it does indeed suck completely.  There is no reason why anyone should still be having to wait in line for a GPU almost SIX MONTHS after it's initial release.  Insanity.
 
As far as "weird fan configuration" the current setup is temporary, and if I cared about cable management it would be cleaner, if you think it looks bad up in the front you should see the back  It's actually a LOT cleaner than it was, and it'll be cleaner once I get the loop in, which is supposed to arrive somewhere around February 19th... all the way from EK in the EU so hopefully it arrives intact O_o
 

 
So no I didn't "read that differently than you" I took it the way it came off if you read multiple posts in a row, in their entirety, instead of reading the first line & jumping to conclusions ^_^ when it's in plain text that I'm not attacking or feeling attacked by anyone from that post.  And the  pretty clearly indicates I found the pointing out of cable management etc hilarious because it is a temporary solution & has been stated as such - because the build isn't by any means "done".
 
Have a great weekend everyone, I'll be around!

Ok.  I don't read every word.  This isn't a novel that I love.  It's just the reality I live in with not enough supply for a silly thing like a GPU.  By the way, not related to any of this, if you have not read the Hugh Howey's Silo series.  Go buy this up.  If the other person got on you a few times, I did not see it.  I just didn't read this take when I commented on in what you said about this being more attacks on you.  Let's have a little thicker skin.  But if you have merit in the dialogue, and I didn't see it.  That's also fair.

how are the cards moving these days? still super slow. 

Ok so for the sku 3767 I’m looking at 10/29/2020 10:56:38 for my notify.

mrhuk
Any news for UK customers? I'd love to be able to put myself in the queue.

You're very late to the party.

I had no idea that the chip shortage was this bad!!! The ETA at B&H for an AMD 5900X is January 1, 2100. That's almost 79 YEARS from now!!! I wonder if they are planning to hold the $549 price until then.
 
It probably doesn't matter if they hold the price. I am 74 years old now. That means I'd be 153 years old when they receive the chip --assuming there are no further delays.
 
Perhaps I'd better plan on using some other CPU for my new computer.
 
AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core AM4 Processor
BH #AM5900X1224 • MFR #100-100000061WOF

 








Key Features

12 Cores & 24 Threads3.7 GHz Base Clock4.8 GHz Max Boost ClockSocket AM4
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Power up your computing experience with the AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core AM4 Processor, which features 12 cores and 24 threads to help quickly load and multitask demanding applications. Designed for socket AM4 motherboards using the powerful Zen 3 architecture, the 7nm 5th generation Ryzen processor offers significantly improved performance compared to its predecessor. With a base clock speed of 3.7 GHz and a max boost clock speed of 4.8 GHz in addition to 64MB of L3 Cache, the Ryzen 9 5900X is built to deliver the performance needed to smoothly handle tasks ranging from content creation to immersive gaming experiences. Other features include support for PCIe Gen 4 technology and 3200 MHz DDR4 RAM with compatible motherboards. This processor has a 105W TDP (Thermal Design Power) and does not include a cooling solution. Please note that it does not have an integrated GPU, so a dedicated graphics card is required.
 


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jehoffman1
I had no idea that the chip shortage was this bad!!! The ETA at B&H for an AMD 5900X is January 1, 2100. That's almost 79 YEARS from now!!! I wonder if they are planning to hold the $549 price until then.
 
It probably doesn't matter if they hold the price. I am 74 years old now. That means I'd be 153 years old when they receive the chip --assuming there are no further delays.
 
Perhaps I'd better plan on using some other CPU for my new computer.
 
AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core AM4 Processor
BH #AM5900X1224 • MFR #100-100000061WOF










Key Features

12 Cores & 24 Threads3.7 GHz Base Clock4.8 GHz Max Boost ClockSocket AM4
Show More

Power up your computing experience with the AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core AM4 Processor, which features 12 cores and 24 threads to help quickly load and multitask demanding applications. Designed for socket AM4 motherboards using the powerful Zen 3 architecture, the 7nm 5th generation Ryzen processor offers significantly improved performance compared to its predecessor. With a base clock speed of 3.7 GHz and a max boost clock speed of 4.8 GHz in addition to 64MB of L3 Cache, the Ryzen 9 5900X is built to deliver the performance needed to smoothly handle tasks ranging from content creation to immersive gaming experiences. Other features include support for PCIe Gen 4 technology and 3200 MHz DDR4 RAM with compatible motherboards. This processor has a 105W TDP (Thermal Design Power) and does not include a cooling solution. Please note that it does not have an integrated GPU, so a dedicated graphics card is required.



More on the Way

Expected availability: Jan 01, 2100
$549.00




 

im currently running Ryzen 9 5900x...its 

philipma1957

jehoffman1

dustbunnyck15
To help big time for chip shortage is Apple, Qualcomm, and basically any sort of phone part. When Apple orders they do in the 100 million levels and fabs always put their orders first. With them using 5g silicon from Qualcomm I believe Samsung helps make those so that’s a massive chunk coming out of the fabs just for iPhones. Everyone else fights for scraps but cell phone chips tend to get priority. It’s a shame Intel isn’t as competitive right now because they have plenty to go around

I'm not an expert, but from what I do know, chip engraving machines are very specialized and one cannot switch easily them to produce different types of chips. I suspect the dies for 3060 TIs, 3070s, 3080s and 3090s are similar enough that they can be made on the same machines, but I doubt very much that one can switch the machines over to make phone chips or CPU chips. Those are almost certainly made on different machines. As most of you know, AMD's 5000 series processors all use the same 8 core chiplets, allowing the chips all to be made on the same machinery. One 8 core chiplet makes a 5800x. Two make a 5940x. AMD takes chiplets with one or two defective cores, disables two of the cores, leaving 6 good cores,and uses them for the 5600x and 5900x processors. One such makes a 5600x and two of them make a 5900x.
 
Often the CPU makers build new machines for the new generation of chips and continue to make the older generation chips on the old machines--unless the new generation chips are just a minor upgrade of the older ones. Older generation CPUs are often used for less demanding tasks such as controllers for computer controlled machining equipment.
 
So I doubt very much that the shortage of GPUs is caused by chip production being diverted to cell phone chips or CPU production. It IS possible that Samsung and TSMC are having yield problems with their new small node processes, but I have not read anything to that effect--and companies normally work hard to avoid having news of production problems disseminated.
 

 
well I disagree.  Think of a dollar bill a 5 dollar bill etc think of  a euro a 5 dollar euro etc.  In order to print you have to change a plate.  If a foundry only needs a die change the issue becomes not the dies but the time you are allow use your die.  Many wafers for chip printing are 12 inche's across.  the machinery is identical just swap in a new different die.  But there are 50 machines in a foundry working steady they can do 50x wafers that is the max. So while we know many gpus chips do get made it is well under the cell phone chips made. So the cell phone gets more time at the wafer cutter.
 
What we are seeing is a flaw in capitalism.  It does not allow for emergency planning since the extra machines would be idle if the chips were not in demand.
Covid exposed many flaws in capitalism.  (capitalism has many strengths). I use optimum cable I have 200 speed down and 50 speed up. Since the pandemic kept people home and everyone is using the Internet   I never get those speeds. optimum and many cable services over sold product since they never guessed a pandemic would expose them.
 
The world have 'enough' chip foundries to do 98% and have enough chips. Capitalism worked great cheap gear and pc's etc.  but a major increase in chip demand and they are not able to produce the chips.
 
Next six-nine months will have spot shortages in every electronics on the planet. Right now gpus' are our concern it is why we are posting here.

You both make good points.  I think if you think about dollars, they don't change every year.  Some years yes.  Security enhancements.  Face changes.  But it's not often.  These chips are changing every year or two.  I just can't ever wrap my head around it being just not wanting to produce less than people will buy on purpose.  Yes, it happens with sneakers.  But with electronics?  I just struggle with that making business sense.  I work (for a little while longer) in the food business, so it's a little more staple.  But sometimes we cannot make enough pizza, or enough frozen meals, to satiate demand.  You better believe we start working nights and weekends to make our customers (Walmart, Kroger, your local grocery store) happy, and appeasing our end consumers.  But the reality is, you don't always have supply to meet demand.

Turns out, there wasn’t much to clean up today.  Just one drop to the known K|NGP|N list and no reports back on any other queue.  Ugh. 
We go again next week. Have a good weekend! 
 
As of 5:35 pm PT Friday evening, February 12, this is the status of the North American queues (bolded font represents movement from the morning of Friday, February 12; italicized parentheticals calculate the length of movement from the prior report):
 
Card                                  SKU                        Auto-Notify Timestamp / (Change from Previous Summary)
 
Ultra
3090 FTW3 Ultra                 3987                       10/12/2020 18:51:55    
3090 XC3 Ultra                   3975                       10/05/2020 20:52:00
3080 FTW3 Ultra                 3897                       09/19/2020 06:00:03        
3080 XC3 Ultra                   3885                       09/18/2020 08:26:34 
3070 FTW3 Ultra                 3767                       10/29/2020 23:19:33       
3070 XC3 Ultra                   3755                       11/04/2020 12:04:18          
3060 Ti FTW3 Ultra             3667                       12/01/2020 07:14:12  
 
Gaming
3090 FTW3 Gaming             3985                       09/24/2020 16:12:06      
3090 XC3 Gaming               3973                       09/24/2020 00:00:00
3080 FTW3 Gaming             3895                       09/16/2020 00:00:00
3080 XC3 Gaming               3883                       09/16/2020 11:01:20
3070 XC3 Gaming               3753                       10/29/2020 00:00:00
3060 Ti FTW3 Gaming         3665                       12/08/2020 14:50:06    
3060 Ti XC3 Gaming           3663                       12/01/2020 07:16:00  
 
Black
3090 XC3 Black                   3971                       09/24/2020 00:00:00 
3080 XC3 Black                   3881                       09/16/2020 15:14:00  
3070 XC3 Black                   3751                       10/29/2020 06:15:13   
 
Hybrid
3090 FTW3 Ultra Hybrid       3988                       12/10/2020 09:42:26   
3090 XC3 Ultra Hybrid         3978                       12/08/2020 14:19:07     
3080 FTW3 Ultra Hybrid       3898                       12/16/2020 09:04:29  
3080 XC3 Ultra Hybrid         3888                       12/10/2020 09:08:56    
 
Hydro Copper (Delayed)
3090 FTW 3 Ultra HC           3989                       11/13/2020 00:00:00
3090 XC3 Ultra HC              3979                       11/13/2020 00:00:00
3080 FTW3 Ultra HC            3899                       11/13/2020 00:00:00
3080 XC3 Ultra HC              3889                       11/13/2020 00:00:00
 
K|NGP|N (Queue sheet)       3998                       12/16/2020 17:51:02      (01:37:04)  
 
May your remaining wait be shorter than you anticipate; it is already longer than you deserve.
 
Good luck next week! Stay safe!

What in the world is going on with the 3885??? It hardly ever moves!

jehoffman1

Sycotik1

philipma1957

jehoffman1

dustbunnyck15
To help big time for chip shortage is Apple, Qualcomm, and basically any sort of phone part. When Apple orders they do in the 100 million levels and fabs always put their orders first. With them using 5g silicon from Qualcomm I believe Samsung helps make those so that’s a massive chunk coming out of the fabs just for iPhones. Everyone else fights for scraps but cell phone chips tend to get priority. It’s a shame Intel isn’t as competitive right now because they have plenty to go around

I'm not an expert, but from what I do know, chip engraving machines are very specialized and one cannot switch easily them to produce different types of chips. I suspect the dies for 3060 TIs, 3070s, 3080s and 3090s are similar enough that they can be made on the same machines, but I doubt very much that one can switch the machines over to make phone chips or CPU chips. Those are almost certainly made on different machines. As most of you know, AMD's 5000 series processors all use the same 8 core chiplets, allowing the chips all to be made on the same machinery. One 8 core chiplet makes a 5800x. Two make a 5940x. AMD takes chiplets with one or two defective cores, disables two of the cores, leaving 6 good cores,and uses them for the 5600x and 5900x processors. One such makes a 5600x and two of them make a 5900x.

Often the CPU makers build new machines for the new generation of chips and continue to make the older generation chips on the old machines--unless the new generation chips are just a minor upgrade of the older ones. Older generation CPUs are often used for less demanding tasks such as controllers for computer controlled machining equipment.

So I doubt very much that the shortage of GPUs is caused by chip production being diverted to cell phone chips or CPU production. It IS possible that Samsung and TSMC are having yield problems with their new small node processes, but I have not read anything to that effect--and companies normally work hard to avoid having news of production problems disseminated.

well I disagree.  Think of a dollar bill a 5 dollar bill etc think of  a euro a 5 dollar euro etc.  In order to print you have to change a plate.  If a foundry only needs a die change the issue becomes not the dies but the time you are allow use your die.  Many wafers for chip printing are 12 inche's across.  the machinery is identical just swap in a new different die.  But there are 50 machines in a foundry working steady they can do 50x wafers that is the max. So while we know many gpus chips do get made it is well under the cell phone chips made. So the cell phone gets more time at the wafer cutter.

What we are seeing is a flaw in capitalism.  It does not allow for emergency planning since the extra machines would be idle if the chips were not in demand.
Covid exposed many flaws in capitalism.  (capitalism has many strengths). I use optimum cable I have 200 speed down and 50 speed up. Since the pandemic kept people home and everyone is using the Internet   I never get those speeds. optimum and many cable services over sold product since they never guessed a pandemic would expose them.

The world have 'enough' chip foundries to do 98% and have enough chips. Capitalism worked great cheap gear and pc's etc.  but a major increase in chip demand and they are not able to produce the chips.

Next six-nine months will have spot shortages in every electronics on the planet. Right now gpus' are our concern it is why we are posting here.

"Flaw in capitalism" uhh.... I wont say more as this topic is not about that, but that is a **** statement if I have ever heard of one. No offense bro.

I think you have a much too simplistic view of what is involved in making complex computer chips.
 
In printing currency, one would have to change the plates and the inks (if different denominations have different colors). However, the change is simple because one is just dealing with plates, paper and ink.
 
Making computer chips, and particularly ones as complex as CPU and GPU chips, involves hundreds of steps, depositing layers of varied composition and then etching them out using differing solvents, all in an ultra-clean environment. The machines are not all the same. They are not capable of making different kinds of chips without extensive modification. And any work on machines involves the risk of contamination.
 
The fabs are already ordering machinery for 2 to 3 generations ahead of chips. Likewise, chip designers like Nvidia, AMD, Intel, Apple, Samsung, etc., are designing their chips 2 to 3 generations ahead. It is a very complex, expensive and time-consuming process to set up a chip production line.
 
Chip production takes about 12 weeks once the line is set up, not a few seconds as in printing currency. You might want to look at the Wikipedia article on chip fabrication. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiconductor_device_fabrication.
 
So, unless there are production problems resulting in unacceptable percentages of defective chips, the machines are running 24/7 producing chips. If Samsung doesn't have enough machines to produce the amount of 3000 series GPUs, they can't just buy more in time to alleviate the current shortage. BUT Samsung and Nvidia had some idea of how many would be needed. Sure there would be shortages if they guessed wrong, but I find it difficult to believe that there would not still be a lot more around than we are seeing were it not for some very large users, like Governments, sucking up the supply.
 
I'm old. I'd like to get my new CPU and GPU before I die, and it is starting to look like that might not be a good bet.

I get your point of view.  I want to upgrade my cpu and gpu too - in my lifetime.  But think about the coin shortage in America.  There was a huge shortage of this at one point.  It's not like currency is immune in this this during once a hundred years pandemic.  I can imagine that if coins are in shortage, more complex things like gpus and cpus would be as well.  Again, I cannot wrap my head around it being something short of supply chain and manufacturing issues.