its hard to push out numbers because aka the producers.. tsmc/samsung are maxed out.. their ovens are full and no room to cook more turkey.. they have backlog of orders from other customers.. u cant magically kick out other customer to bump up nvidia/amd without paying a penalty... remember.. BUSINESS CONTRACT ARE LEGALLY BINDING
 

SyntaxTurtle

ForSeriousI feel like the shuffle prices aren't all that much better than scalper prices.

I think that... then I actually enter the card tier (3060, 3070, etc) into eBay and see what pops up.  Nope, real scalper prices are far worse.

This.
 
If you win a bundle, just sell the extra item for under retail and take the loss. Everyone I know right now, If they had the chance to grab a 3080 for example but it was marked up 100 usd from current retail prices, they'd do it in a heartbeat.

SyntaxTurtle

ForSeriousI feel like the shuffle prices aren't all that much better than scalper prices.

I think that... then I actually enter the card tier (3060, 3070, etc) into eBay and see what pops up.  Nope, real scalper prices are far worse.

yup I constantly see 3080s that are going for 3 grand. It boggles my mind

RasTeX
Another interesting story, guys....
 
https://www.pcgamer.com/a...own-to-low-gpu-yields/

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/these-industries-are-hit-hardest-by-the-global-chip-shortage-122854251.html


 
your conspiracy theory is failing

vndragonslayer1

RasTeX
Another interesting story, guys....
 
https://www.pcgamer.com/a...own-to-low-gpu-yields/

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/these-industries-are-hit-hardest-by-the-global-chip-shortage-122854251.html


 
your conspiracy theory is failing

Hahaha, not mine teory, but from guys that know something about making GCards and much more...

 
So.. are any cards actually shipping out from EVGA these days, or just a trickle every now and then? My associate code rarely gets used if that's any indication.
 

RasTeX

vndragonslayer1

RasTeX

SirKronan

RasTeX
Does anyone have production numbers for rtx 3000 series?
Are they significantly larger than previous 2000 or roughly the same?
My short investigation was not very succsessfull...

Yes, but Nvidia (as always) does not release any exact numbers, and none of their AIBs are allowed to either. 

They have publicly claimed that production is at least 20% greater than that of the 2000 series, and that the production is not lacking. The demand is simply much greater than anticipated. The capacity and demand on current fabs does support Nvidia's claim. GPUs are shipping in high numbers to retailers, but they simply can't catch up to this unprecedented demand. There is no one "demon" to blame for this disaster, but all factors have combined to make the situation what it is: scalping, mining, covid related delays, and covid putting people at home in front of computers for work and play in RECORD NUMBERS. 

It doesn't help that AMD has not really wanted to compete. Their manufacturing has been entirely focused on quick and easy profits of gigantic numbers of console sales and kicking Intel's butt at CPU sales. Retailers are finally starting to see significant numbers of 6000 series Radeons show up, but up until recently the launch was very nearly entirely paper. The side effect of AMD not caring about GPUs is that Nvidia is free to delay any new GPU product launches, such as "Ti" models. 

Right.
I would not be surprised to see GPU mining farms next to GPU factories.
Regardless of perfect storm for AMD and NVIDIA, seems to me that they didn't react in a way that suits them and is good for customers. I guess that chip production is negotiated quite ahead, but I fail to see why is it so hard to push the numbers up. This situation really shows how we need one or two major players in GPU arena. My hopes are that INTEL will finally wake up an kick this duopole out of their sleep.

You realize they can’t magically up their production at a whims notice. You whiners need to understand that the manufacturing capability is currently maxed out. There aren’t enough fab allocation to produce more chips. Why are automaker halting n closing plants temporarily? Cuz they got no chips to make cars with. Stop whining about sitting on a queue for months. There are people still waiting from day 1 -week 1 of launch n they’re not complaining. There are hundreds of thousands of people ahead of you In The queue

You sound like a personal assistant of AMD or NVIDIA CEO. They had more than enough time to up their production and increase poor yield, it would be beneficiary for everybody. Crisis handling of GPU makers was more than poor. And who cares for auto industry, nobody asked them to put supercomputers in cars, my car runs just fine with 90's electronic...
 
Anyway, man, you sound like you have been brainwashed by AMD or NVIDIA marketing department...
 

Part of the issue is the extreme complexity of semiconductors. When individual transistors are smaller than the wavelength of light we get from firing high-powered lasers at flying pieces of pure liquid tin and then have to bounce off multiple moving mirrors it's a miracle anything works at all. Also for reference these the yield rates are greater than 98% otherwise it would not be financially viable to enter mass production.
Now while I don't think NVIDIA is using EUV this snippet from Wikipedia should give some inside into the complexity of semiconductor engineering:
While EUV technology is available for mass production, 53 machines worldwide capable of producing wafers using the technique were delivered during 2018 and 2019, while 201 immersion lithography systems were delivered during the same period. Issues that make EUV adoption difficult are tool costs (ASML's EUV scanners can cost up to US$120 Million), tool uptime, and stochastic phenomena. As of 2020, Samsung and TSMC are the only companies that have used EUV in production, mainly targeting 5nm.
 

Tricerakash
i used enewts, the sheet gives me sanity

Thanks for the consideration; I do appreciate it.

Only 100usd above? In eu you'd be lucky to find an rtx 3070 that costs only 200-300 euros more.

At least in the US you can camp outside the shops and have more ways to purchase at a reasonable price. Here, it's either pay 1.5k+ euros or wait forever.

nick_shl

Dabadger84"Who cares for the auto industry" That provides millions of jobs globally & is having to lay off people because of the shortage of components resulting in factories shutting down temporarily.

What more interesting: how it can happen(factories shutting down) if silicon manufacturers work at 100% capacity - even more than before shortage.
 

When the lines shut down last year for a couple of months, they placed a delay on delivering the parts to the factories.  They also delayed reduced future orders expecting a slowdown on car sales.
Then when the summer hit new cars sold at an all time high as people with nowhere to shop and excess spending money (because they couldn't spend it anywhere else) started car shopping.
And while they ramped up orders, the chip factories had already filled their production with alternate customers.

It's kind of like when one person slows down on the highway backing up everyone in the lane and some guy zooms up the pull-off lane to get ahead.

Contrary some people's opinions, factories cannot "ramp up" production significantly because they operate on a margin.  They only shut down for maintenance, which is factored into their capacity.

And new factories don't spring up in a few months.  Rather, it requires YEARS.

Conspiracy theories are interesting but ultimately Occam's Razer applies.  

Redline37
Well there was actually some 3755 movement today. Hoping for a few more hours and I get one before the 14th.

What happens on the 14th?

Holybull

Redline37
Well there was actually some 3755 movement today. Hoping for a few more hours and I get one before the 14th.

What happens on the 14th?

EVGA will no longer honor pre tariff MSRP for those in queue after that date. 

vndragonslayer1

Nereus 
So.. are any cards actually shipping out from EVGA these days, or just a trickle every now and then? My associate code rarely gets used if that's any indication.
 

theres many associate codes.. not just yours to be used

Lots of queue cards are members of this thread, this thread almost exclusively uses enewts code, at least from what I have seen.  I often wonder what percentage of the queue members post here...  10%?  I would be shocked if it was more than 25%.  What is a better place to get your associate code out there?  I have mine on a discord I moderate, all of my code uses have come from members there.

drewski989

vndragonslayer1

Nereus 
So.. are any cards actually shipping out from EVGA these days, or just a trickle every now and then? My associate code rarely gets used if that's any indication.
 

theres many associate codes.. not just yours to be used

Lots of queue cards are members of this thread, this thread almost exclusively uses enewts code, at least from what I have seen.  I often wonder what percentage of the queue members post here...  10%?  I would be shocked if it was more than 25%.  What is a better place to get your associate code out there?  I have mine on a discord I moderate, all of my code uses have come from members there.

I would guess that less than 0.01% of people in the queue are on the forum.  

nomoss
 
I would guess that less than 0.01% of people in the queue are on the forum.  

A greater percentage for the Elite status cards/blocks (i.e., Kingpins) and more "core" varieties (e.g., 3090/3080 hybrids/HCs) and a substantially lower percentage for the more mainstream, air-cooled cards (e.g., 3060, 3070, 3080 and 3090s).