I've won the shuffle 3 times with just one account.  Not sure why just lucky I guess.
Those bundles are ugly.

aunger97, I sure hate to hear that. I am sending well wishes and prayers to your dad and you and your family. We're all cheering for him!

enewt, it's definitely getting repetitive. As soon as I get optimistic about seeing good progress, it all comes to a screeching halt. I thank you so much for staying steadfast on keeping us informed!

I thought the motherboards were bad, the monitors seem even worse. Think it would be much more difficult to get rid of.

Nike_7688

SirKronan

Nike_7688
 
 
My interpretation of that is that there's a 7.1 Surround version (~$300?) that includes the "surround card" you referenced. You used to be able to buy just the "audio pro" card, which is not 7.1 surround without the "surround card". I think their idea there was you could buy the base card for the quality, then add surround later if you decided you needed that. However, the Audio Pro card (not surround combo version) isn't currently listed on their site, while the surround card still is...which is a bit...odd, unless they're just leaving that up for people who already bought the non-surround version of the Audio Pro. I don't know exactly, as they all seem way too expensive for my interest. Also, you can't hook up a 7.1 headset to them, so it seems it's only for actual surround speaker systems. Even the gaming card only has 5.1 with virtual surround, but you only get 5.1 if you use the S/PDIF output. Maybe I just haven't gone full "audiophile" for games, but I don't really get how you use these or who they are actually targeted for.

That is really helpful! I am getting into more music recording these days, and I have a pretty nice MOTU for recording and instrument input. I wonder how much of an improvement I'd hear over the built in motherboard sound. Tom's Hardware review on it said that it does improve upon the Realtek found in their tested Gigabyte motherboard, but it only makes sense in a really high end build. 
 
I think these thousand dollar GPUs we're all queued up for might qualify a build as "high end"... Obviously Tom's said that for gamers and most regular users the built in motherboard sound has improved enough over the years that upgrading audio beyond that is typically not necessary. I wonder if it would be a noticeable improvement on my 5.1 Logitech speakers, or if I hook up my Shure A50s to it with a wire as opposed to bluetooth. I won't use their bluetooth mode when recording/mixing audio. The A50s allow a wired connection, and that's where I would want to see the benefit. 
 
Combine Nvidia's AI noise reduction on the mic end plus a high grade DAC like the NU Audio Pro, and I can see it being an amazing setup for audio production. My MOTU 4/4 is a freaking amazing little piece of kit for the $$. 
 
I was dead set on a 3080, but I'm also queued up for 3090s here, and now I'm leaning more towards that for the workstation and production advantages. If I can get a 3090, I likely won't even bother queuing for a 3080ti when they launch. 

As nick_shl referenced, they have some really high quality components on these and they do look like well made parts. I think if you're into production quality audio and/or using your PC to run music to a really high-end nice sound system, you'd notice the difference and it would be great. I would agree with the Tom's review note though, which was the point I was making in the end-part of my last message, that for average folks, especially those with cheaper headsets and speakers, I see no appeal of this. Here comes an "old-guy" statement...Back in the day, I had a Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer sound card that I thought had excellent quality compared to the motherboard's on-board audio. The software worked great (until I had to go to the next Windows version) and I thought it was worth it. I think the audio on my X58 motherboard was just as good and I stopped using the card. That was also the last motherboard I had that had a PCI slot (not PCI-e), so it went the way of the dinosaurs. I haven't found the need to seek out an audio card since those days.

I found the kit. Elite pricing for the two pack kit with both cards - the primary Pro card plus the Surround card - is selling at a discounted $229. That's even cheaper than Newegg's current $240 sale price (after a $10 promo code). Seriously considering it, but that brings me to my next predicament - my PCI-E slot situation. This is an issue even though my giant monster motherboard has seven PCI-E slots. It's the MSI X570 Prestige Creation. 
 
https://www.msi.com/Mothe...X570-CREATION/Overview
 
It has two x16/x8 slots that could run the GPU and a third physical x16 slot that's only wired for x4. I would have plenty of room for the two EVGA audio cards if I could mount my GPU on the bottom slot and still get x8 speeds (x16 provides no benefit over x8, even on current 3000 series cards). Now I can use the second x16 slot for whatever GPU I eventually, hopefully purchase from this queue (yes, I know I got a 3060, but that's going into another build, not my primary editing rig!), but that will cover up the x1 slot and physical x16 slot below it. That leaves 4 more slots, but the other x16 slot will be used by my Xpander card (m.2 SSD in RAID0). So, I would have to put one of the NU Audio cards above the Xpander, and one below it, and then have the displayport cable going around the Xpander card to connect the two sound cards together. I don't like the idea of having to do that, and I am trying to make a visually appealing build here using the Thermaltake P8. This will be on my desk in our home office, the first room people see upon entering our house. I know it's picking nits to worry about a little displayport cable, and it might not look too bad if I can run it underneath the expander card. Hopefully I don't run into a lane limit issue with my 5900X, but I think I'll be ok. 
 
I would get rid of the Xpander m.2 card, but I am using two of the three motherboard m.2 slots already, so the Xpander works perfectly for two m.2 drives in RAID0. Even though they are only gen 3 m.2 SSDs, in RAID0 they offer the performance of the newest 7000/5000 gen 4 SSDs, but at a fraction of the cost. I use the RAID array for my Adobe scratch disk and for a rendering disk. Nothing irreplaceable is stored on it - it merely does the work at high speeds. This is going to take some thinking to best figure out ... 

There is going to be a bunch of monitors for sale on eBay soon. The Shuffle is horrible.

nomoss
I've won the shuffle 3 times with just one account.  Not sure why just lucky I guess.
Those bundles are ugly.

I've been wondering about those bundles. Are those just simply offers or options or are they required? If they are required that would be pretty crappy to take advantage of us that way.

SubZeroOne

nomoss
I've won the shuffle 3 times with just one account.  Not sure why just lucky I guess.
Those bundles are ugly.

I've been wondering about those bundles. Are those just simply offers or options or are they required? If they are required that would be pretty crappy to take advantage of us that way.

If you get selected for a bundle, you have to buy both items in that bundle. If you want to return/refund the item, you have to send both items back.

I think after trying for every shuffle, I'm just gonna stop. I never win anyways. Good luck to those soon on the queues today though!

I feel like the shuffle prices aren't all that much better than scalper prices. And needing to buy the bundle ensures that you'll end up spending as much as a scalp in one go. It's ultra rare that one of the bundles actually features another item that I would actually use.
I can't recommend it, but I'll try a few rounds of it anyway.

Nike_7688
How long did they do notifications for the 3899? I wonder if it is dead. I didn't know when it launched that I'd be going with a custom loop, so I didn't enter the queue. If they "re-launch" it like the 3989, I'd jump on that thing probably.

Approximately 30 minutes on 11/13. If it is like the 3989, they will relight the auto-notify button when they get near the end of the first tranche of registrants. But no news on when that might happen....

Tricerakash4/23/2021 10:00:07 AM PTYes
block aint for me, heres to hoping karma speeds the 3090 ftw3 hc queue along

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ForSerious
I feel like the shuffle prices aren't all that much better than scalper prices. And needing to buy the bundle ensures that you'll end up spending as much as a scalp in one go. It's ultra rare that one of the bundles actually features another item that I would actually use.
I can't recommend it, but I'll try a few rounds of it anyway.

Maybe it's regional. In my area people want 1300-1500 for a 3070 on Offerup, so NewEgg has lower prices plus the warranty is going to be smooth. 

Cheemonstonzo

RasTeX
Right.
I would not be surprised to see GPU mining farms next to GPU factories.
 
Regardless of perfect storm for AMD and NVIDIA, seems to me that they didn't react in a way that suits them and is good for customers. I guess that chip production is negotiated quite ahead, but I fail to see why is it so hard to push the numbers up. This situation really shows how we need one or two major players in GPU arena. My hopes are that INTEL will finally wake up an kick this duopole out of their sleep.

It wouldn't surprise me.  In my home province there's a mining farm (HUT8) with a dedicated gas turbine power plant - it's power never touches the grid.  This farm uses more power than the nearby city.

This world is getting more complicated, every day....

RasTeX

vndragonslayer1

RasTeX

SirKronan

RasTeX
Does anyone have production numbers for rtx 3000 series?
Are they significantly larger than previous 2000 or roughly the same?
My short investigation was not very succsessfull...

Yes, but Nvidia (as always) does not release any exact numbers, and none of their AIBs are allowed to either. 

They have publicly claimed that production is at least 20% greater than that of the 2000 series, and that the production is not lacking. The demand is simply much greater than anticipated. The capacity and demand on current fabs does support Nvidia's claim. GPUs are shipping in high numbers to retailers, but they simply can't catch up to this unprecedented demand. There is no one "demon" to blame for this disaster, but all factors have combined to make the situation what it is: scalping, mining, covid related delays, and covid putting people at home in front of computers for work and play in RECORD NUMBERS. 

It doesn't help that AMD has not really wanted to compete. Their manufacturing has been entirely focused on quick and easy profits of gigantic numbers of console sales and kicking Intel's butt at CPU sales. Retailers are finally starting to see significant numbers of 6000 series Radeons show up, but up until recently the launch was very nearly entirely paper. The side effect of AMD not caring about GPUs is that Nvidia is free to delay any new GPU product launches, such as "Ti" models. 

Right.
I would not be surprised to see GPU mining farms next to GPU factories.
Regardless of perfect storm for AMD and NVIDIA, seems to me that they didn't react in a way that suits them and is good for customers. I guess that chip production is negotiated quite ahead, but I fail to see why is it so hard to push the numbers up. This situation really shows how we need one or two major players in GPU arena. My hopes are that INTEL will finally wake up an kick this duopole out of their sleep.

You realize they can’t magically up their production at a whims notice. You whiners need to understand that the manufacturing capability is currently maxed out. There aren’t enough fab allocation to produce more chips. Why are automaker halting n closing plants temporarily? Cuz they got no chips to make cars with. Stop whining about sitting on a queue for months. There are people still waiting from day 1 -week 1 of launch n they’re not complaining. There are hundreds of thousands of people ahead of you In The queue

You sound like a personal assistant of AMD or NVIDIA CEO. They had more than enough time to up their production and increase poor yield, it would be beneficiary for everybody. Crisis handling of GPU makers was more than poor. And who cares for auto industry, nobody asked them to put supercomputers in cars, my car runs just fine with 90's electronic...
 
Anyway, man, you sound like you have been brainwashed by AMD or NVIDIA marketing department...
 

how can they magically up production. samsung is at max capacity.. nvidia cant just say hey kick out whatever you're making and make our chips only.. same for amd.. tsmc doesnt stop making chip for apple just so amd can get more chip to satisfy your entitlement.. learn how business works.. they work by contract not by your personal entitled feelings

 

Right.
I would not be surprised to see GPU mining farms next to GPU factories.
 
Regardless of perfect storm for AMD and NVIDIA, seems to me that they didn't react in a way that suits them and is good for customers. I guess that chip production is negotiated quite ahead, but I fail to see why is it so hard to push the numbers up. This situation really shows how we need one or two major players in GPU arena. My hopes are that INTEL will finally wake up an kick this duopole out of their sleep.



Maybe the gpu farms are not much of a problem.
 
Seems all the growth in mining hashrate since January may have been fueled by Bitmain and a hidden Asic machine the E9.
 
https://wccftech.com/the-bitmain-antminer-e9-is-as-powerful-as-25-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090s-in-cryptocurrency-mining
 
If they have been mining with that for months than the real issue is Nvidia is not making a lot of chips.
 
and no one is making a lot of gpus for anyone.
 
Best Buy had a gpu in stock yesterday a nvidia 710
 
I looked at a dozen sellers and just about every gpu for stock msrp is sold out.
 
Low grade gpus are gone.
 
Maybe it is a chip shortage and scalpers more than anything else.
 
One good thing was in 2017 when it came out that bitmain had a hidden asic Eth crashed about 6 months later.  So maybe the crash happens and we see some gpus.
 
Alienware had an okay rig for sale on the dell website it had a 3060ti and you could get a. 3080 or a 3090 upgrade.
Hp.com had an omen for sale with a 3090 in it for a decent price.
 
So maybe some gpus are going to be released here.




I really hope that you are right, this is such a confusing and frustrating situation for everybody, ecpecially for consumers.