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Re: EVGA z590 Dark KP? 2021/05/19 13:02:29 (permalink)
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I'm not saying that the GPU won't still be the limitation at high resolutions in the future. Let me put it a different way and throw my 5820k under the bus again. If you could find it on one of these charts, it would be way down towards the bottom. It would also be a significant chunk down towards the bottom in a 1440p or 4k test today because it would bottleneck a 3080. if you looked at the charts when it was new, it was way towards the top of a 720p test, but would have been neck and neck with many others at 1440p, which would have been a pointless test back then if just looking for the best gaming CPU for that year-alone. Over the last 6 years, it has been moved down and even gets beat handily at 1440p by many CPUs because it has become the bottleneck. I'm sure several years from now, the 11900k, 5900x, 10900k, etc. will be bottlenecks, even at some higher resolutions, but picking those over say a 10600k or 9900k today will minimize that effect as much as possible even though right now the difference isn't that great at high resolutions because they don't yet create much of a bottleneck at high resolutions. Newer games are using even more CPU power than ever before, so a game like CP2077 would just destroy my 5820k. the 11900k on the other hand? one of the best you can get (see above). So games that head in that direction...that's what I can pick a CPU today based on hoping for some future-proofing.
 
Also, I would never try to convince someone that does heavy MC-workloads (i.e. professional work) on their CPU to buy an 11900k. I'd tell them to figure out how to get a 5950X. That said, buying a 5950X just for gaming is also silly and a bit of a waste of a 5950X lol. I pretty much just use my PC for gaming. That is its primary function. So for me, 11900k makes just as much sense (and in many cases, even more sense) than a 5950X. Also, I paid $539 for it...at my first attempt to buy it, so that's quite a bit cheaper and more of a tangible product than catching a magic $800 drop on amd.com or paying over $1000 on Amazon (or even $700 for a 5900x because the $550 drops on amd.com almost never happen). 
 
So, back to gaming: will the GPU be more important at high resolutions in the future? Yes, absolutely. Will the CPU matter and still have a chance to create bottlenecks at high resolutions in the future if I'm using an old CPU? Yes, absolutely. If I kept my 5820k and bought a 3080, I wouldn't see anywhere near the same improvement as I will with the 11900k (or 5900x, or 10900k), even at 1440p. I don't upgrade my CPU every year...or two years...or even 3 years most times. So looking at the CPU bottleneck is important to me. 


Running a benchmark at a resolution someone would actually use would also show the difference as well and in a more meaningful way.  A current gen CPU whether 10900k,11900k,5950x,etc. will smoke a 5820k at any resolution so 720P results don't even make a difference.  I'm not sure I really get what point you're trying to make.  The fact a 10900k that has a big latency and core advantage beats an 11900k at 720p really has no impact at them being more or less the same at 1440p or 4k.  Running "CPU" benches is fun just for benching itself but using them to decide the performance of the whole system is not super useful unless all you do is run CPU-only program loads where AVX512 on the 11 series will really help a lot.
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Re: EVGA z590 Dark KP? 2021/05/19 14:17:50 (permalink)
I understand you're not getting it. You're still looking at it as "well they're all the same at high resolution so why does it matter?" You can't compare the CPUs of today to the ones in the future because they don't exist yet. All you can do is try to minimize the bottleneck because it will show up in the future. the smallest bottleneck today is the smallest bottleneck (of today's CPUs) even if you look at them again in 3-6 years. So you look at the bottleneck today to hopefully minimize your bottleneck years from now. You can't look at the CPU's bottleneck by looking at new titles at high resolution. That doesn't tell you anything about the CPU bottleneck. Again, if you upgrade every year, or even every two years, this whole conversation is pointless because if you're playing games at high resolution and always buying new stuff, your CPU is never a bottleneck. Also, it has no bearing on the thread's intended topic, so this'll be my last reply here on the matter. I'm sorry my attempt to create an analogy using my old CPU was confusing, that was not my intention. As it previously was my bottleneck, even at 1440p, it seemed like an easy example as when I originally picked it, it had one of the smallest bottlenecks and best cases for future-proofing at the time. I got 6 years out of it, so as far as I'm concerned, the theory I'm trying to explain here works just fine. Also, if there was no point to it, every single reviewer that does CPU tests wouldn't keep doing this (but they do keep testing it, because it is important to people who don't upgrade to the best CPU every 1-2 years).
 
 

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Re: EVGA z590 Dark KP? 2021/06/03 14:47:21 (permalink)
comes down to pcie 4 I suppose
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Re: EVGA z590 Dark KP? 2021/06/03 17:54:30 (permalink)

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Re: EVGA z590 Dark KP? 2021/06/03 18:29:37 (permalink)
why bother
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Re: EVGA z590 Dark KP? 2021/06/16 14:21:14 (permalink)
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why bother




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