Anyone know if there are plans for a z590 dark kingpin board and when it'll be out?

BIGGZxoxo

crafter213
Anyone know if there are plans for a z590 dark kingpin board and when it'll be out?

it's been confirmed and we are all patiently waiting for it to release 

What will the differences be between the Z590 Dark and the Z590 Dark Kingpin?

 

BIGGZxoxo
 
 
it's been confirmed and we are all patiently waiting for it to release 
 

Where did you hear that?
 
Also the price on the Z590 Dark KP will be insane... If the FTW is $430, where does that put the Dark? And then the KP will be another $100 premium over that.

wait I read that post wrong didnt see the “kingpin” part. sorry for giving out false information

what do u guys think 
 
 

https://www.evga.com/articles/01470/evga-z590/

 
Latest update from Jacob on today's stream is that the Z590 Dark is still a few weeks away at least.
 
 

why bother? the 11th gen is a dud (8-core i9 LOL), 10th gen is better and works on z490. 12-series will be a new socket. no point wasting development on something dead on arrival.

gsrcrxsi
why bother? the 11th gen is a dud (8-core i9 LOL), 10th gen is better and works on z490. 12-series will be a new socket. no point wasting development on something dead on arrival.

10th gen is "better" at some tasks...but 11th gen is better at others, and comes with pci-e gen 4. 


 









 
 
It's also worth noting (to me at least) that my 11900k is running faster than any of those ^. Of course you can OC a 10900k too, and Tom's did for their test. I wouldn't upgrade from a 10900k to an 11900k, but being that I was determined to upgrade this year and had to choose between the two. I picked the one I could crank up to 11 and be the best gaming CPU on the market, at least for the games I play (BF and other ray-tracing enabled games). I also picked one that would let me buy a gen 4 NVMe drive when I want to run one. I also picked based on this allowing me to use an EVGA motherboard, because I have always liked their motherboards. You can see that AMD wins plenty of races too and for heavy MC-workloads (which I don't do), they're great, so I'm not dissing on anybody else's stuff or telling anybody else what to do. You just said "why bother?" so here you go.
 
Some info on mine so far:

One of my CPU-z scores (733 SC, 7244 MC v2017.1)
One of my cinebench r23 runs (1674 SC, 16390 MC):

It isn't doing too shabby lol

Nereus

gsrcrxsi
why bother? the 11th gen is a dud (8-core i9 LOL), 10th gen is better and works on z490. 12-series will be a new socket. no point wasting development on something dead on arrival.

 
Because we can.
 
Jealous much?

[laughs in 5950X]
 
i guess 720p gaming is not only the most common, but the only niche intel can hang onto? (heavy sarcasm).
 
moving from 10-cores to 8-cores is a regression. and obviously only done because they couldnt manage the power use and heat for 10 cores at this architecture on 14nm node.
 
"BuT iTs ThE bEsT fOr GaMiNg"

Nereus
Yup, jealous.

https://www.tomshardware.com/features/intel-core-i9-11900K-vs-amd-ryzen-9-5900x
 
TL;DR - Intel loses in every metric except "overclocking" which ultimately means you can OC your 11900k better than AMD's 2nd best desktop CPU, but still lose in all performance metrics.
 
totally jealous.

gsrcrxsi

Nereus
Yup, jealous.

https://www.tomshardware.com/features/intel-core-i9-11900K-vs-amd-ryzen-9-5900x
 
TL;DR - Intel loses in every metric except "overclocking" which ultimately means you can OC your 11900k better than AMD's 2nd best desktop CPU, but still lose in all performance metrics.
 
totally jealous.

Yup, totally jealous. You AMD fan boys are so funny when you get all worked up.
 
 
 

gsrcrxsi

Nereus
Yup, totally jealous. You AMD fan boys are so funny when you get all worked up.

I ran Intel exclusively until they weren't the best anymore. in all my crunching systems and my desktop systems. with zen2 and zen3, i transitioned to the new best, AMD. nearly all of my Xeons swapped out for EPYC and my i7-9700k swapped for 3900X, then 5950X. 
 
but keep going. your Intel-fanboism is showing.

Yup, jealous.
Seriously, I'm just having fun poking you with a stick, don't take it personally. EVGA don't do AMD, and I'm using EVGA gear, so Intel it is. I'm very happy with it.
 
 

gsrcrxsi

Nike_7688
Edit: I suppose I have one thing to say about the 720p results. I don't play games there lol almost nobody does. However, if you're trying to figure where the cpu bottleneck is for future-proofing, it is a helpful test. My 5820k was bottlenecking me even at 1440p in some games. So knowing how much the CPU bottleneck moves up is helpful information. Your comment indicates that you didn't know how this worked or why that test is important, so in an effort to be helpful, I thought I'd share that with you.

i disagree that knowing anything about 720p is important. who cares if no one is running it? the future is constantly moving to higher resolutions, not lower. will we be testing 640p in the future just to "find the bottleneck"? makes no sense if it's not meaningful in any real application.

I think you missed the point. A bottleneck at 720p today is a bottleneck at 1440p a few years from now in future titles. It only shows how the CPUs compare when you are not limited by the GPU, which will be the limiter at higher resolutions. If you upgrade every year, then CPU benchmarks for games are completely pointless. Just use your unlimited budget and time to buy the latest and enjoy. I haven't upgraded my cpu since ~2015, so figuring out what CPU has the best gaming performance today (which you have to test at lower fps to find out or you're just testing the GPU) helped plan for another long-term build.

DEJ915

Nike_7688

gsrcrxsi

Nike_7688
Edit: I suppose I have one thing to say about the 720p results. I don't play games there lol almost nobody does. However, if you're trying to figure where the cpu bottleneck is for future-proofing, it is a helpful test. My 5820k was bottlenecking me even at 1440p in some games. So knowing how much the CPU bottleneck moves up is helpful information. Your comment indicates that you didn't know how this worked or why that test is important, so in an effort to be helpful, I thought I'd share that with you.

i disagree that knowing anything about 720p is important. who cares if no one is running it? the future is constantly moving to higher resolutions, not lower. will we be testing 640p in the future just to "find the bottleneck"? makes no sense if it's not meaningful in any real application.

I think you missed the point. A bottleneck at 720p today is a bottleneck at 1440p a few years from now in future titles. It only shows how the CPUs compare when you are not limited by the GPU, which will be the limiter at higher resolutions. If you upgrade every year, then CPU benchmarks for games are completely pointless. Just use your unlimited budget and time to buy the latest and enjoy. I haven't upgraded my cpu since ~2015, so figuring out what CPU has the best gaming performance today (which you have to test at lower fps to find out or you're just testing the GPU) helped plan for another long-term build.

I don't think that's really true to be honest, 720p shows more memory, cache and cpu speed that is true but the increased requirement on the GPU will always exist at higher resolutions.

I'm not saying that the GPU won't still be the limitation at high resolutions in the future. Let me put it a different way and throw my 5820k under the bus again. If you could find it on one of these charts, it would be way down towards the bottom. It would also be a significant chunk down towards the bottom in a 1440p or 4k test today because it would bottleneck a 3080. if you looked at the charts when it was new, it was way towards the top of a 720p test, but would have been neck and neck with many others at 1440p, which would have been a pointless test back then if just looking for the best gaming CPU for that year-alone. Over the last 6 years, it has been moved down and even gets beat handily at 1440p by many CPUs because it has become the bottleneck. I'm sure several years from now, the 11900k, 5900x, 10900k, etc. will be bottlenecks, even at some higher resolutions, but picking those over say a 10600k or 9900k today will minimize that effect as much as possible even though right now the difference isn't that great at high resolutions because they don't yet create much of a bottleneck at high resolutions. Newer games are using even more CPU power than ever before, so a game like CP2077 would just destroy my 5820k. the 11900k on the other hand? one of the best you can get (see above). So games that head in that direction...that's what I can pick a CPU today based on hoping for some future-proofing.
 
Also, I would never try to convince someone that does heavy MC-workloads (i.e. professional work) on their CPU to buy an 11900k. I'd tell them to figure out how to get a 5950X. That said, buying a 5950X just for gaming is also silly and a bit of a waste of a 5950X lol. I pretty much just use my PC for gaming. That is its primary function. So for me, 11900k makes just as much sense (and in many cases, even more sense) than a 5950X. Also, I paid $539 for it...at my first attempt to buy it, so that's quite a bit cheaper and more of a tangible product than catching a magic $800 drop on amd.com or paying over $1000 on Amazon (or even $700 for a 5900x because the $550 drops on amd.com almost never happen). 
 
So, back to gaming: will the GPU be more important at high resolutions in the future? Yes, absolutely. Will the CPU matter and still have a chance to create bottlenecks at high resolutions in the future if I'm using an old CPU? Yes, absolutely. If I kept my 5820k and bought a 3080, I wouldn't see anywhere near the same improvement as I will with the 11900k (or 5900x, or 10900k), even at 1440p. I don't upgrade my CPU every year...or two years...or even 3 years most times. So looking at the CPU bottleneck is important to me.