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Re: EVGA Z170 FTW LGA 1151 problems/design concern (Where did USB 2.0 hubs go?) 2016/02/29 12:07:45 (permalink)
I really want the EVGA Stinger. I want to make sure since i will be using the Grid+ V2,Hue+ and Kraken.
 
Will the USB 3.0 internal to USB 2.0 conversion work without problems when its connected to the IU01 by NZXT
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Re: EVGA Z170 FTW LGA 1151 problems/design concern (Where did USB 2.0 hubs go?) 2016/02/29 12:12:20 (permalink)
Double Post Sorry,
 
Im a tad nervous that my above solution will not work? Does anyone do it this way 
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Re: EVGA Z170 FTW LGA 1151 problems/design concern (Where did USB 2.0 hubs go?) 2016/02/29 12:44:04 (permalink)
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I really want the EVGA Stinger. I want to make sure since i will be using the Grid+ V2,Hue+ and Kraken.
 
Will the USB 3.0 internal to USB 2.0 conversion work without problems when its connected to the IU01 by NZXT


Have you asked NZXT this question?

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Re: EVGA Z170 FTW LGA 1151 problems/design concern (Where did USB 2.0 hubs go?) 2016/02/29 13:15:26 (permalink)
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I really want the EVGA Stinger. I want to make sure since i will be using the Grid+ V2,Hue+ and Kraken.
Will the USB 3.0 internal to USB 2.0 conversion work without problems when its connected to the IU01 by NZXT
Im a tad nervous that my above solution will not work? Does anyone do it this way 



It will work just fine.....
As i have mentioned in my previous posts, i currently have the IU01 connected to my FTW board via the USB 3 header and have my Corsair link hardware and NZXT HUE+ connected to the IU01.
The Link and CAM software are both reading all that is connected and the hardware is responding to all inputs just as it should do.
 

 




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Re: EVGA Z170 FTW LGA 1151 problems/design concern (Where did USB 2.0 hubs go?) 2016/02/29 13:38:41 (permalink)
Thanks didn't want to buy the board and have problems with it. Which USB 3.0 to 2.0 adapter would i need? Really loved EVGA boards for longest time so i wanted something that would work with the Hue and grid and kraken. As long as you say you don't have a problem i am happy. Isn't This why the IU01 was created for people with limited usb 2.0 headers. 
 
So all i have to get is that USB 3 to 2 adapter and connect it to the IU01 then from there connect the Kraken,Grid+ V2 and the Hue+ and it should all be read no problem?
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Re: EVGA Z170 FTW LGA 1151 problems/design concern (Where did USB 2.0 hubs go?) 2016/02/29 13:56:36 (permalink)
Yes you just need the adapter and you'll be good to go.
I have the cheapest one i could find on ebay which looks like this....


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Re: EVGA Z170 FTW LGA 1151 problems/design concern (Where did USB 2.0 hubs go?) 2016/02/29 14:00:47 (permalink)
Thanks looks like a Female USB 3.0 side and Male usb 2.0 side.
 
 
How do you like the EVGA board looking at doing a EVGA Manta build with a 6600K EVGA Stinger Z170 and a GTX 970 or 980 EVGA
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Re: EVGA Z170 FTW LGA 1151 problems/design concern (Where did USB 2.0 hubs go?) 2016/02/29 14:13:34 (permalink)
I am really happy with my FTW and have always wanted to try some EVGA hardware. I got it because of the stealth [plain] kind of look and the simple to use bios. I wasn't very keen on offerings from other manufactures because i don't care much for their OTT molded attachments and colouring choices.

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Re: EVGA Z170 FTW LGA 1151 problems/design concern (Where did USB 2.0 hubs go?) 2016/02/29 14:29:02 (permalink)
also how is the 970 FTW+ any coil whine. looking for quality products remember my old quad core before the Intel Core series with the 750i motherboard i believe thing was rock solid 
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Re: EVGA Z170 FTW LGA 1151 problems/design concern (Where did USB 2.0 hubs go?) 2016/02/29 14:54:30 (permalink)
The 970 FTW+ is a great bit of kit and with a modded bios it's a monster. There is sometimes a little coil whine at certain RPM's, tho I've only really ever noticed it happening when the fans are winding down from full speed. I can live with that.

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Re: EVGA Z170 FTW LGA 1151 problems/design concern (Where did USB 2.0 hubs go?) 2016/03/01 12:51:18 (permalink)
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Here is a photo of what is going on 



Connect to the 8 pin at the top  near I/O panel solved
 
The USB header is for case wiring plug it connects the front USB ports on case both 2.0 and 3.0
  
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Are you sure, the specs state that there are 2 - USB 2.0 ports on each of the Z170 motherboards.  I just ordered a Classified Z170 board for a new build and need at least 2 - USB 2.0 ports.  I'm going to be pretty pissed off they're not on the board.



BACK I/O Panel man 2 x 2.0 usb port I have 4 the front of THOR V2 has dual 2.0 and 3.0 ports too.
 
Blue Case cable for front USB 2.0/30
 
 http://www.modsrigs.com/detail.aspx?buildid=35441
 
FTW is solid board my last system went almost a decade a little use of the 680i then swapped to the 780i FTW
 

Remember that you cannot connect a USB 2.0 into a USB 3.x Header Connector on the Motherboard.
You can connect a USB Device with a USB Cable to a USB PORTS that are on the I/O Panel or the USB 3.x PORTS on the Case.
DO NOT PLUG A USB 2.0 Header Connector into a USB 3.0 or 3.0 Header Connector.
Is what is Missing on the FTW Motherboard is a USB 2.0 Header Connector NOT the lack of USB 2.0 Ports.




EVGA FTW Z170
USB 2.0 Ports:
2x from Intel Z170 PCH, on I/O Panel
Supports hot plug
Supports wake-up from S3 and S4 mode
Supports USB 2.0 protocol up to a 480 Mbps transmission rate


USB 3.0 Ports:
8x from Intel Z170 PCH – 6x external on I/O panel,
2x internal (1 Header)
Supports transfer speeds up to 5Gbps
Backwards compatible USB 2.0 and USB 1.1 support
 
 
My case wires have the header bcavnaugh posted also front panel for my case 2 x USB 3.0, 2 x USB 2.0, 1 x e-SATA

 
 
I have no issues or errors at all using them. So if this wrong let me know because they are supported fine on my end nothing in event viewer showing errors either
 
z170 FTW page 12
http://www.evga.com/suppo.../files/140-SS-E177.pdf

 
 

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Re: EVGA Z170 FTW LGA 1151 problems/design concern (Where did USB 2.0 hubs go?) 2016/03/01 13:27:13 (permalink)
pittbull is what is missing is a USB 2.0 Header on the Motherboard, the OP is not talking about the USB 2.0 Ports.
Also for some reason the OP is calling the USB Headers on the Motherboard USB Hubs.
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Re: EVGA Z170 FTW LGA 1151 problems/design concern (Where did USB 2.0 hubs go?) 2016/03/01 13:32:17 (permalink)
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pittbull is what is missing is a USB 2.0 Header on the Motherboard, the OP is not talking about the USB 2.0 Ports.
Also for some reason the OP is calling the USB Headers on the Motherboard USB Hubs.


Got ya! Yeah this is totally confusing now lol


 
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Re: EVGA Z170 FTW LGA 1151 problems/design concern (Where did USB 2.0 hubs go?) 2016/03/01 14:24:47 (permalink)
thank god they removed to old USB 2.0 headers from the PCB
 
most of the new cases wont be having USB 2.0 in the panel anyway..



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Re: EVGA Z170 FTW LGA 1151 problems/design concern (Where did USB 2.0 hubs go?) 2016/03/01 19:13:32 (permalink)
Eventually USB 2.0 will be a thing of the past, however imho EVGA lost some sales due to not having them or enough 3.0 headers to accommodate us still using them. I researched these cables to go from USB 3.0 to 2.0 to go with an EVGA board but ultimately decided to much of a nuance and went with another manufacturer.
 
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Re: EVGA Z170 FTW LGA 1151 problems/design concern (Where did USB 2.0 hubs go?) 2016/03/02 08:01:49 (permalink)
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thank god they removed to old USB 2.0 headers from the PCB
 
most of the new cases wont be having USB 2.0 in the panel anyway..


I would not or will not buy a Motherboard without at least ONE USB 2.0 Header and the two USB 2.0 Ports on the Rear I/O Panel.

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Re: EVGA Z170 FTW LGA 1151 problems/design concern (Where did USB 2.0 hubs go?) 2016/03/02 16:45:01 (permalink)
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I would not or will not buy a Motherboard without at least ONE USB 2.0 Header and the two USB 2.0 Ports on the Rear I/O Panel.


+1
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Re: EVGA Z170 FTW LGA 1151 problems/design concern (Where did USB 2.0 hubs go?) 2016/03/02 21:40:21 (permalink)
The next few years I don't think you will have much of a choice. Look at PCI, not many motherboards with those anymore. Everything seems to be PCIe. Kind of a shame to. I have a very nice HT Omega sound card I need to get rid of.

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Re: EVGA Z170 FTW LGA 1151 problems/design concern (Where did USB 2.0 hubs go?) 2016/03/04 10:08:04 (permalink)
Wow this thread has been going for a while. 
I wish I would have been watching this guys youtube channel for a while. Here's where he addresses this very issue and the problem it poses.
 
https://youtu.be/R8v9CpUK2K8?t=9m47s
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Re: EVGA Z170 FTW LGA 1151 problems/design concern (Where did USB 2.0 hubs go?) 2016/03/04 10:34:26 (permalink)
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Wow this thread has been going for a while. 
I wish I would have been watching this guys youtube channel for a while. Here's where he addresses this very issue and the problem it poses.
https://youtu.be/R8v9CpUK2K8?t=9m47s


I really do not see that this causes a problem, users that do not need or use USB 2.0 Headers so this would work fine for them.
But then you have users that do need and want USB 2.0 Headers and they would have seen this in 1 the photo and 2 in the Specifications so here EVGA is NOT hiding the fact that the FTW MB has no USB 2.0 Headers.
Myself needing the USB 2.0 Header(s) would have looked at the next model that is the Classified Model K and would have seen it has One USB 2.0 Header and I would have gone for this model for a Z170 Motherboard.
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Re: EVGA Z170 FTW LGA 1151 problems/design concern (Where did USB 2.0 hubs go?) 2016/03/04 11:15:42 (permalink)
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Wow this thread has been going for a while. 
I wish I would have been watching this guys youtube channel for a while. Here's where he addresses this very issue and the problem it poses.
https://youtu.be/R8v9CpUK2K8?t=9m47s


I really do not see that this causes a problem, users that do not need or use USB 2.0 Headers so this would work fine for them.
But then you have users that do need and want USB 2.0 Headers and they would have seen this in 1 the photo and 2 in the Specifications so here EVGA is NOT hiding the fact that the FTW MB has no USB 2.0 Headers.
Myself needing the USB 2.0 Header(s) would have looked at the next model that is the Classified Model K and would have seen it has One USB 2.0 Header and I would have gone for this model for a Z170 Motherboard.



It's a matter of perspective. For a board that costs me $240 (at the time) I would have expected to get more features than it's competitors who have less expensive board that met my needs and actually offered more higher end features. To be honest, I didn't even know that USB 3.0 was that much of a thing. In any case, the board only has 1 USB hub on it. As such I think that leave the user lacking a lot of options, front USB support, cooler options and other case enhancements that still use USB 2.0 hubs. Don't get me wrong, I have always been an EVGA fan boy and will continue to support their products. However I think it's critical to offer constructive feedback when users feel their needs are not met with one of their products and had to go elsewhere. 

I will say that it might be the small business man in me (I own a small parts business) that wants to share this kind of feedback so EVGA doesn't lose out on sales. If you create products for customers who have needs that can't be met with your products you will lose market share. As a brand loyal customer I don't want to see that happen. However, I'm not blindly loyal and have to weigh the pros and cons of their particular products to ensure I get the product that fits my PC needs.

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Re: EVGA Z170 FTW LGA 1151 problems/design concern (Where did USB 2.0 hubs go?) 2016/03/23 16:44:54 (permalink)
The Classy K has the USB 2.0 internal header right next to where you put the hdd activity led and power switch and stuff.
 
Perfect for the IU01. Anyone see that 
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Re: EVGA Z170 FTW LGA 1151 problems/design concern (Where did USB 2.0 hubs go?) 2016/03/23 17:35:23 (permalink)
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The Classy K has the USB 2.0 internal header right next to where you put the hdd activity led and power switch and stuff.
 
Perfect for the IU01. Anyone see that 


Yes we have posted this but the OP did not see this before he bought his FTW Model.
By the way the Classified K Model is in stock Amazon and is Prime.

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Re: EVGA Z170 FTW LGA 1151 problems/design concern (Where did USB 2.0 hubs go?) 2016/04/15 21:35:33 (permalink)
I ran into the same set of problems when installing my Z170 FTW. The optional 6-pin power connector faces down, which is a poor design. It should face straight out. In a lot of cases it places it in near contact with the power supply, so there's no way to use it. But, all that being said, it is optional. I ended up getting a different case due to another issue so all is well now.
 
I went a different way in routing the USB connection from my Corsair 115i to the motherboard. Obviously, the Z170 FTW is lacking a USB 2.0 header. I ran back to Microcenter and bought a compatible 3' USB cable, and just routed it outside the case by dremeling a little metal near the IO panel to allow the cable to run outside and just plugged into the remaining USB 2.0 plug; the other I use for a wireless keyboard/mouse adapter.
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Re: EVGA Z170 FTW LGA 1151 problems/design concern (Where did USB 2.0 hubs go?) 2016/04/15 21:53:28 (permalink)
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I ran into the same set of problems when installing my Z170 FTW. The optional 6-pin power connector faces down, which is a poor design. It should face straight out. In a lot of cases it places it in near contact with the power supply, so there's no way to use it. But, all that being said, it is optional. I ended up getting a different case due to another issue so all is well now.

 
Yeah, unless you have a case larger than your average sized mid-tower you probably wont be able to use it. However most people don't typically run 3x cards in mid towers (at least I personally wouldn't want to) which is really when that supplemental connector is recommended. 
 

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Re: EVGA Z170 FTW LGA 1151 problems/design concern (Where did USB 2.0 hubs go?) 2016/04/15 22:15:20 (permalink)
True, but you miss out on the yellow LED track... ;)
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Re: EVGA Z170 FTW LGA 1151 problems/design concern (Where did USB 2.0 hubs go?) 2016/04/15 22:41:49 (permalink)
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True, but you miss out on the yellow LED track... ;)

It should be on regardless if that connector is used or not.

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Re: EVGA Z170 FTW LGA 1151 problems/design concern (Where did USB 2.0 hubs go?) 2016/04/18 13:44:47 (permalink)
Just want to bring this thread back. I will be posting my IU01 results with my NZXT Grid+ v2 and Hue+ and Kraken x61 using the internal USB 3.0 to 2.0
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Re: EVGA Z170 FTW LGA 1151 problems/design concern (Where did USB 2.0 hubs go?) 2016/04/18 14:24:09 (permalink)
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Just want to bring this thread back. I will be posting my IU01 results with my NZXT Grid+ v2 and Hue+ and Kraken x61 using the internal USB 3.0 to 2.0


Thanks,
Please do post some photos if you can.

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Re: EVGA Z170 FTW LGA 1151 problems/design concern (Where did USB 2.0 hubs go?) 2016/04/18 14:32:55 (permalink)
Might Take Little bit maybe 2-3 weeks waiting on the rest i have to get z170 stinger because it was 119
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