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2022/04/02 21:06:32 (permalink)
Just installed an EVGA 3090Ti FTW3 today to upgrade from an EVGA 3080Ti FTW3 which has worked properly with my HP Reverb G2 VR headset for months. I'm now receiving a "1-4 Display Port error" in Windows Mixed Reality Portal when starting up VR. This is usually indicative of a broken VR headset cable or a bad USB port. I've tried replacing the headset cable from the GPU/PC to headset with a spare, tried a different USB port on the PC, and even tried another HP Reverb G2 with the same result.
 
Seems the issue is not just limited to me, I found a thread on Reddit with similar reports, link here: https://www.reddit.com/r/HPReverb/comments/tu80hj/g2_v2_and_3090_ti/.
 
Sending this out for some visibility and in the off chance that someone has a workaround/fix. I'm going to guess it's either a driver issue or a GPU BIOS issue, but I'm open to suggestions.
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090Ti FTW3 incompatible with HP Reverb G2 VR headset 2022/04/02 21:18:58 (permalink)
    Sounds to me like HP needs to add device support for the new RTX 3090 Ti. 

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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090Ti FTW3 incompatible with HP Reverb G2 VR headset 2022/04/02 21:29:43 (permalink)
    Windows Mixed Reality is the Windows layer in between a GPU and the VR headset, this isn't an HP compatibility problem. I contacted HP support already, and since there are no issues with the headset and it works fine on my 3080Ti, they have nothing they can fix. HP doesn't make drivers for every known video card out there to work with the headset, that's what video card drivers are for along with Windows Mixed Reality.
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090Ti FTW3 incompatible with HP Reverb G2 VR headset 2022/04/02 21:51:26 (permalink)
    You're miss understanding me. This is absolutely a compatibility issue and could be caused by the API not recognizing the RTX 3090 Ti or it's the 512.16 driver that only supports the RTX 3090 Ti that's the issue. 

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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090Ti FTW3 incompatible with HP Reverb G2 VR headset 2022/04/02 23:43:29 (permalink)
    I just got an EVGA 3090 Ti Ultra and it has been working flawlessly with my OG HP Reverb G2 (all OG accessories and cables). Nvidia game ready driver 512.16. One thing I never bothered to do was update my motherboard driver to enable Re-Bar for NVIDIA cards... not sure if its related at all. I use the default usb-c cable with no adapter directly plugged into my motherboard. I also use the power adapter that came with it with a power strip to turn it off.Whenever I have an issue with headset detection, all I usually have to do is restart the headset via my power strip.
     
    Edit: It could be a V2 cable compatibility issue.
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090Ti FTW3 incompatible with HP Reverb G2 VR headset 2022/04/03 07:05:42 (permalink)
    You only seem to mention Windows Mixed Reality.  Since that headset also does VR, does that capability work correctly?
     
    Have you tried setting up the headset from scratch in Windows Mixed Reality with the new card? 
     
    Also check for any optional drivers that might show up in Windows.
     
    Are you using Windows 11 or Windows 10?

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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090Ti FTW3 incompatible with HP Reverb G2 VR headset 2022/04/03 07:15:13 (permalink)
    basic questions:
     
    MB & BIOS version - check for updates
     
    CPU ?
     
    Is Fast Boot Off on your PC in BIOS ?  (so MB/BIOS correctly sees the New Hardware)
     
    Is Windows Fast Startup Off ? (so Windows does not use the previous saved files to load hardware profile on Boot)
     
    Any errors or warning in Device Manager ?
     
    Did you install the complete Nvidia driver package or just parts of it ?
     
    What Version of OS 10 or 11 ?  and details of the OS ... is it fully up to date ?

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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090Ti FTW3 incompatible with HP Reverb G2 VR headset 2022/04/03 13:00:51 (permalink)
    Apparently this is a pretty widespread issue, at least for the 3090 Ti + Reverb G2 combo.
     
    https://www.reddit.com/r/HPReverb/comments/tu80hj/g2_v2_and_3090_ti/
     
    Will be interesting to find out who is actually the culprit, EVGA, HP or Microsoft.
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090Ti FTW3 incompatible with HP Reverb G2 VR headset 2022/04/03 14:09:15 (permalink)
    Report it to Nvidia. I had an issue with an Nvidia driver update a few months ago with an rtx 3080 mobile issue when mux switch was enabled and after some back and forth they had a hot fix within a few days. I was really surprised at how fast it was. If it's a driver problem they might be able to get it fixed quick.

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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090Ti FTW3 incompatible with HP Reverb G2 VR headset 2022/04/03 14:11:49 (permalink)
    Ok good that's confirmed tickets to all 3 possibilities.
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090Ti FTW3 incompatible with HP Reverb G2 VR headset 2022/04/03 16:22:28 (permalink)
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    You're miss understanding me. This is absolutely a compatibility issue and could be caused by the API not recognizing the RTX 3090 Ti or it's the 512.16 driver that only supports the RTX 3090 Ti that's the issue.



    Gotcha. Judging from all the additional reports, it seems like it's either Windows Mixed Reality that doesn't support the 3090Ti, which means it's Microsoft that needs to fix it (ugh) since a fresh install of WMR does state the 3090Ti isn't "supported" but "might work", but it could also be Nvidia (slightly less ugh) drivers too. Or both. Or maybe EVGA? Possibly HP too?
     
    As others have said, guess we'll find out soon enough.
    post edited by mpetts - 2022/04/03 16:28:44
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090Ti FTW3 incompatible with HP Reverb G2 VR headset 2022/04/03 16:39:20 (permalink)
    good to know
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090Ti FTW3 incompatible with HP Reverb G2 VR headset 2022/04/03 16:59:40 (permalink)
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    You're miss understanding me. This is absolutely a compatibility issue and could be caused by the API not recognizing the RTX 3090 Ti or it's the 512.16 driver that only supports the RTX 3090 Ti that's the issue.



    Gotcha. Judging from all the additional reports, it seems like it's either Windows Mixed Reality that doesn't support the 3090Ti, which means it's Microsoft that needs to fix it (ugh) since a fresh install of WMR does state the 3090Ti isn't "supported" but "might work", but it could also be Nvidia (slightly less ugh) drivers too. Or both. Or maybe EVGA? Possibly HP too?
     
    As others have said, guess we'll find out soon enough.


    Unfortunately this isn't something EVGA can fix. I'm almost certain the issue lies in WMR itself not recognizing the RTX 3090 Ti, this falls squarely on Microsoft and Nvidia. 



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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090Ti FTW3 incompatible with HP Reverb G2 VR headset 2022/04/03 23:01:52 (permalink)
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    You're miss understanding me. This is absolutely a compatibility issue and could be caused by the API not recognizing the RTX 3090 Ti or it's the 512.16 driver that only supports the RTX 3090 Ti that's the issue.



    Gotcha. Judging from all the additional reports, it seems like it's either Windows Mixed Reality that doesn't support the 3090Ti, which means it's Microsoft that needs to fix it (ugh) since a fresh install of WMR does state the 3090Ti isn't "supported" but "might work", but it could also be Nvidia (slightly less ugh) drivers too. Or both. Or maybe EVGA? Possibly HP too?
     
    As others have said, guess we'll find out soon enough.


    Unfortunately this isn't something EVGA can fix. I'm almost certain the issue lies in WMR itself not recognizing the RTX 3090 Ti, this falls squarely on Microsoft and Nvidia. 




    I'm unfortunately going to agree with this. EVGA probably would have been the quickest turnaround. I'm worried this could go months to get fixed if it is on Nvidia or especially Microsoft.
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090Ti FTW3 incompatible with HP Reverb G2 VR headset 2022/04/03 23:32:57 (permalink)
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    You're miss understanding me. This is absolutely a compatibility issue and could be caused by the API not recognizing the RTX 3090 Ti or it's the 512.16 driver that only supports the RTX 3090 Ti that's the issue.



    Gotcha. Judging from all the additional reports, it seems like it's either Windows Mixed Reality that doesn't support the 3090Ti, which means it's Microsoft that needs to fix it (ugh) since a fresh install of WMR does state the 3090Ti isn't "supported" but "might work", but it could also be Nvidia (slightly less ugh) drivers too. Or both. Or maybe EVGA? Possibly HP too?
     
    As others have said, guess we'll find out soon enough.


    Unfortunately this isn't something EVGA can fix. I'm almost certain the issue lies in WMR itself not recognizing the RTX 3090 Ti, this falls squarely on Microsoft and Nvidia. 






    It's probably going to be a pretty fast fix now that the graphics card is out. I am also thinking with the PSVR 2 games are going to need to be developed and tested on the PC which could help a lot since I could see people using a 3090Ti for game development. 

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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090Ti FTW3 incompatible with HP Reverb G2 VR headset 2022/04/04 19:10:41 (permalink)
    Thanks all for the suggestions and input.
     
    At this point it's likely a Microsoft/HP issue judging from all the discussion scattered around. HP is being less than helpful despite me explaining the issue to one of their support agents for an hour, and then they just ended up sending me their standard template response. After a report of this issue was made in the WindowsMR subreddit, there was a Microsoft employee post (with template response), but did request an issue be opened in the Microsoft Feedback Hub if none of the normal resolution methods work. Now as to whether making a post in their Feedback Hub is just screaming in to the Microsoft void is yet to be determined, but I've posted one and another appeared shortly after. Upvotes welcomed. Now we wait.
    post edited by mpetts - 2022/04/04 19:13:43
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090Ti FTW3 incompatible with HP Reverb G2 VR headset 2022/04/04 20:00:56 (permalink)
    I did open a hub ticket yesterday and have not heard anything back. I flagged it as a critical breaking issue but who knows if or what that even triggers for a response.
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090Ti FTW3 incompatible with HP Reverb G2 VR headset 2022/04/06 12:02:24 (permalink)
    AHhhh so this is why my Reverb wont work.....Damn
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090Ti FTW3 incompatible with HP Reverb G2 VR headset 2022/04/06 12:08:08 (permalink)
    Yep. Still nobody taking responsibility at this point. Not good.
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090Ti FTW3 incompatible with HP Reverb G2 VR headset 2022/04/07 08:47:52 (permalink)
    HP just responded to my ticket that the card is not tested and recommended using a lesser card with the G2. They said to take it up with EVGA with regard to the incompatibility.

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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090Ti FTW3 incompatible with HP Reverb G2 VR headset 2022/04/07 09:53:49 (permalink)
    It is strange that no one at HP has run that card with the Ti.  But the specs. do say it is compatible all the way to the RTX 3090 ... nothing regarding a specific version of the card.
     
    The 1-4 errors can normally be corrected by removing and replacing the USB cable?
     
    Did you completely uninstall the WMR and start over and set up the headset with the new card, as I suggested?

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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090Ti FTW3 incompatible with HP Reverb G2 VR headset 2022/04/07 10:24:25 (permalink)
    Yeah I've cleaned the drivers and uninstalled and reinstalled WMR. Apparently there is actually quite a bit different about the 3090 Ti under the hood because Nvidia had to release a separate driver, 512.16, which is only compatible with the 3090 Ti specifically and the 3090 Ti also will not work with any previous driver.

    Also it is literally everyone with this combo that get 1-4. That is also the Displayport error, not USB. The USB error is 4-1, thank Microsoft for that easy to confuse situation.
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090Ti FTW3 incompatible with HP Reverb G2 VR headset 2022/04/09 09:16:50 (permalink)
    tl;dr: HP is aware of the issue.
     
    HP Support will tell you to downgrade to a "supported" video card and/or take it up with EVGA and then wash their hands of it. While it's true that downgrading to a previous video card obviously works (duh), that's less than helpful. Microsoft has acknowledged the issue as I mentioned above, but have gone radio silent.
     
    On Reddit, an HP representative on the VR team posted that they are aware of the issue and currently obtaining a 3090Ti for testing. The problem is with ALL 3090Ti's, not just EVGA's.
     
    Good news in some aspect that ownership has been taken, but no idea how long it will take to resolve. In the interim getting a Rev1 PC to headset cable HP part number M18238-001 is a confirmed workaround, although it's long been discontinued, but there's currently a seller on Ebay that has several for sale which is where I purchased one. Why an older somewhat unreliable version of the cable works and the latest does not is not known specifically, but there are several people who have tested that it does work, including me. If you absolutely must have your HP Reverb G2 VR headset working with your new shiny 3090Ti until they fix the problem, that's currently the only avenue.
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090Ti FTW3 incompatible with HP Reverb G2 VR headset 2022/04/11 07:56:11 (permalink)
    There is a possibility a fix may come in the form of a firmware upgrade for the headset.  Has there ever been a firmware update available for that headset?

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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090Ti FTW3 incompatible with HP Reverb G2 VR headset 2022/04/11 08:08:43 (permalink)
    Not that I am aware. In fact, they had to make a whole hardware revision already (but still the same SKU to add confusion) that addressed previous connectivity issues with the "old" headset cable interface. That was all USB related, though, as the Displayport has not been an issue for anyone up until now.
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090Ti FTW3 incompatible with HP Reverb G2 VR headset 2022/04/12 15:03:09 (permalink)
    Firmware updates seem to get pushed through WindowsMR. There was one applied to my Reverb G2 about 6 months ago or so. This may be something that Nvidia needs to describe to HP who then needs to tell Microsoft. I'm not holding out hope on this happening fast. I would be surprised if this issue is resolved within the next month, but we'll see.
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090Ti FTW3 incompatible with HP Reverb G2 VR headset 2022/04/12 16:01:11 (permalink)
    Also might make a difference whether the headset and base unit both have updatable firmwares, or that the problematic of the two is the one that has the updatable firmware.
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090Ti FTW3 incompatible with HP Reverb G2 VR headset 2022/04/30 06:06:19 (permalink)
    Does anyone know if this was fixed yet?
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090Ti FTW3 incompatible with HP Reverb G2 VR headset 2022/04/30 07:50:10 (permalink)
    It is not, not even with the latest just released driver. HP and Nvidia are still trying to diagnose the problem. There is a huge thread on Reddit about it.
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090Ti FTW3 incompatible with HP Reverb G2 VR headset 2022/04/30 09:00:32 (permalink)
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    Firmware updates seem to get pushed through WindowsMR. There was one applied to my Reverb G2 about 6 months ago or so. This may be something that Nvidia needs to describe to HP who then needs to tell Microsoft. I'm not holding out hope on this happening fast. I would be surprised if this issue is resolved within the next month, but we'll see.

     
    I saw in the HP forum someone reported the Headset works on the 3090Ti when the original cable is used.  Did HP ever explain why they had to replace the original cable?
     

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