Beasthunt
c4USSR72
to be honest,
EVGA probably the one that cares most out of all GPU manufacturers
They gave out 3 3080 on stream when they only supposed to give one
ftw mostly goes to EVGA members instead of sending to retail
Creating Elite program, that fewer people can access product at launch
This all affects their market share at launch, but I do strongly believe that it creates stronger brand loyalty.
I know people here been using EVGA for a decade. and at the end of the day, EVGA has one of the best warranties. I know only of one better warranty company( at least back 5 years ago) XFX they had a lifetime with transfers
Also if you do watch their streams you can get 3060 as well as monthly giveaways for elites
In last month I reinforced my perspective on EVGA and I am looking forward to the day when I can use more of their products.
I build now mostly m-itx builds and EVGA don't have much selection for this
All of these are done by business and it is a lot. Thank you for everything
As much as many of us can be angry with the current market situation, EVGA is not the one to blame, and only great communities can produce great people who will step-up, like Enewt
No dude, you're simping. I refuse to simp because companies are supposed to earn your money. You've got it backwards and you're entitled to simp but you're wrong. 100% wrong about everything except the warranty. Them having done something good does not excuse them for what they are currently doing and that's SOMEHOW letting scalpers and pre-builts magically get cards while we all sit in a que that's moved mere minutes in almost 7 months. The fact you remotely give them a pass and refuse to hold them accountable is EXACTLY why we are in this mess.
I refuse to give socialism a pass. This is wrong, and you giving EVGA credit for the hard work enewt is doing is an absolute disgrace. They've done NOTHING to help him out. He spends hours of his life toiling for us, while EVGA is silent. That's absolutely pathetic what you did there and you owe him an apology. I'm offended on his behalf.
The bottom line is it's absolutely disgusting how you are defending EVGA when the best they did was create a smoke and mirrors que while still funneling cards to partners and somehow to scalpers. Companies need to work for your loyalty. Giving a company loyalty because they did something you cannot do is beyond disgusting. It's pathetic. It's a cancerous mindset.
I want to be as clear and I can: I am in no way associated with EVGA, other than as a consumer/end-user. I have no investment in the company and I am not a product reviewer who receives any kind of support nor monetary incentive from EVGA. I do not want anyone to accuse me of anything related to that. I had to think long and hard about whether or not to even write anything. This will probably be TLDR, but I hope that some of you enjoy my thoughts.
I'm not taking sides here, but it seems to me that this forum is not for politics, unless couched in terms of how company politics affects product distribution or manufacturing. And the term "simping" started as a term for doing something for the expectation of sexual favors. As a grown man with three older sisters, a mom who's still living, a wife and a daughter, I'm not a big fan of that term, however people want to try and use it.
If you take @c4USSR72 at face value, assuming he meant to only express his opinion, I can see that he makes some valid points. In no way does he imply any form of socialism, so I'm not sure where that came from. I am married to a wonderfully talented woman who grew up in the Soviet regime, which was called the USSR or United Soviet
Socialist Republic. I've received an education on what socialism actually means from her, someone who lived it, and this is no where near that. There is no way that EVGA could be confused for a company that operates under Socialist conditions. That was just from out of left field. C'mon, man!
@Beasthunt, the only thing you stated that I simply could not follow/understand is this: "Giving a company loyalty because they did something you cannot do is beyond disgusting. It's pathetic. It's a cancerous mindset." Not sure what you meant at all by that statement.
In no way did @c4USSR72 give EVGA credit for any efforts that @enewt has done for this forum or his efforts with the NA Queue report. Quite the opposite, in fact; he praised @enewt for stepping up to do the NA Queue report. Until @enewt wrote above that this was simply a project he was doing, I had thought he was associated with EVGA (Associate's code?) and that he worked for the company in some capacity and was compiling the NA Queue report as a service to the consumers. Now that I know this is not the fully the case, I also would like to praise @enewt. After all, without this report, we would literally be in the dark. I'm on the queue for the 3080 FTW3 Ultra, but in March of this year. I had no idea this was the wrong year to build a new rig until I started to purchase parts. It was definitely a gut punch when I started. Additionally, keep in mind that this is the official forum for EVGA and if they did not want this information to be out there, or decided that this was not something they would support, the mods would have deleted the thread, here and elsewhere and given @enewt a warning to not do it again. EVGA's support is more covert, but the support is definitely implied by simply allowing this thread to exist. Is @c4USSR72 a fan boy? Probably. Is that a bad thing? No. We all are, for this company, and others...whether it's for the razor brand you use to shave with or the car you drive; to the soap you use for dishes and laundry and the toilet paper you choose to purchase.
What most people need to keep in mind is how we got to this point. It wasn't just any one thing. It was a series of events that perfectly led to this GPU/chip shortage. The forecast report for the industry came out in Nov or Dec of 2019 (IIRC) and it showed that the demand for chips, both CPU and GPU would not be in demand and would be lower than 2019, lower than industry expectations. This caused the entire industry and the automotive industry, to decide to cut back their orders and the queue's that they were signed up for fabrication. Then the whole pandemic hit, causing a shut down of nations, industries within those nations, personnel staying home. Taiwan (CPU's) was not immune to this, neither was Samsung and Micron (Nvidia 30 Series chips and memory.) Now, arguments could be made as to how politics came into play here, but this is not the proper forum for that. So, we factor in that the pandemic caused ordinary people to stay home, realizing their rigs are not what they need, which then caused demand to skyrocket. Factor in the CPU issue of AMD hitting a home run vs. Intel which caused a large demand for AMD chips. Then factor in that there is a rain drought causing Taiwan to measure out production. Since TSMC, Samsung and Micron also manufacture chips for other industries, once the demand shot up, the queues for chip fabrication were already full from other chip industry orders. It took time to free up space for AMD and Nvidia so orders could ramp back up. Now, we need to also factor in that cryptocurrency took off like a bottle rocket in the last year, which caused miners to want the same GPU's that gamers want. And then there is the usual society issues caused by good 'ole supply and demand...scalpers. This is nothing new. Scalpers have been in existence since goods were bartered before cities and societies actually developed. Hell, try getting Michael Jackson concert tickets in the '80's and '90's from anyone other than a scalper. Ticket master sold out within minutes for each concert and less than an hour for entire series of concerts. And this was with phone systems, not computers! Star Wars collectibles, Cabbage Patch Dolls, etc. All have been scalped due to high demand. So, finally, factor in the existence of bots programmed to make automatic purchases, which the online retail industry is just now starting to get a handle on. My point is, it's just been a perfect mess that got us here.
So...I've covered how we got here, admitting right now I may have missed a couple of reasons. I've covered @enewt and his efforts (Saintly) and that scalpers are nothing new (bastards!) Let's talk about EVGA. Have they been silent during all of this? They have released information through multiple product, and YT product, reviewers of their efforts to try and increase production. So, not silent, but not exactly an official press release, either. Could they do more? Sure. Are they obligated to do so? No...we are consumers. The only people EVGA must answer to are investors. You may not like this, but that's the way businesses operate. How in the hell are pre-builts "magically" getting cards while the queue seems to barely move? Well, Micro Center is taking a certain number of the cards to make pre-builds in their stores. This is a way to not only move cards, but to move other merchandise. Keep in mind that not everyone who wants an NVidia 30 series card wants to or knows how to build their own rig. Pre-builds serve a purpose. Now, as far as online Pre-builds such as Dell, HP, NZXT, etc., these companies place orders for these cards, same as any other vendor. These orders, once accepted, must be fulfilled according to contracts. These contracts could have a stipulation of a time-frame. If that time-frame is not met, the cost per unit starts to go down. In other words, NVidia could lose money the longer it takes to fulfill those orders. But why is Amazon selling the EVGA cards when the queue isn't moving? For the same reason...contractual obligations. As for why the queue itself isn't moving but mere seconds or minutes at a time...that should be pretty much self-evident; a few million people hit the website on launch day and the successive days after launch. Possibly the highest demand for these cards (well, the 3080 and 3090, at least) than at any other time in history of EVGA. For a company, it's a good position to be in. EVGA would rather want high demand and slow fulfillment, than large fulfillment, but low demand. Ironically, same for the scalpers.
So, is the EVGA queue a "smoke and mirrors" situation? If they have never fulfilled a single order and simply used the queue for another purpose, then I would say yes. However, we know this to not be the case. It would be very interesting is someone, anyone, could shed light on how many orders EVGA has fulfilled from this queue, just give us an idea of the total number of people that signed up. It seems to me that the Elite program is acknowledging the brand loyalty that they have earned over the years from consumers. It's not only an acknowledgement, but a reward. Elite members get to go to the front of the queue. So, @Beasthunt, if you signed up for the queue, then you not only participated in this, but acknowledged it was a good thing and that you approved of this. Tearing it down while taking advantage of it at the same time is a bit hypocritical.
Now, does all of this mean that I give EVGA a "Pass?" Yes...and no. I realize that exigent circumstances caused decisions that would not have been made under normal market conditions. Do I excuse lack of more and clearer communication? No. EVGA could be more forthright in letting consumers know what is going on. Are they obligated to do so? No, not really. Would it be good PR? Probably.
The only points I will definitely say in favor of EVGA, as a user and fan of their products, is that the reviews on EVGA products are consistently good and the pricing is consistently better than other AIB's. Reviews speak for themselves. As far as pricing goes, they are an American Company, headquartered in CA. So, I can only assume that is one of the reasons that the pricing structure is better. I think it was Jay at JTC's who stated that the boards for EVGA are made in Taiwan, rather than China, so therefore, the products are not subject to the same tariffs as the other AIB's. Also, from what was released on Gamer's Nexus and Steve (Tech Jesus) was that the pricing for the 3080 Ti FE cards was set to be $999 and was on official company memos that were shared up to just a few days before the launch. Steve stated that the pricing was up in air until just before launch when the pricing of $1199 was decided upon, seen as a pure money grab. It would be very interesting and a good PR move by EVGA to come out and state if their card prices were set before NVidia changed their mind to increase their price on the 3080 Ti FE card. In my own opinion, if the pricing structure for the EVGA cards was set before NVidia raised their price, EVGA
could have then adjusted the 3080 Ti XC3 to be higher than the same price-matched $1199 and adjusted the 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra to be even higher than $1399. So, given the initial FE card pricing of $999 and the extra $200 tacked on to raise it to $1199, it seems to me that EVGA might/could have followed suit. But, it looks as if EVGA did not. So, I'm saying the pricing could have been worse, especially if you are one who looks at the 3080 Ti as a memory stripped down version of the 3090, rather than a marginal performance increase from the 3080. Glass half-full, or half-empty? So, I am grateful of the pricing that EVGA settled on, especially given that some AIB 3080 Ti cards are selling for $1799 and higher.
Now, for the literal bottom-line. @Beasthunt, you are allowed to vent your frustrations. Vent away! Everyone here will support you. But it seems to me that your frustration should be directed at EVGA, not at @c4USSR72 for being a fan.
post edited by fizban - 2021/06/06 11:12:47