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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/04/06 23:48:23 (permalink)
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Looks like you bent the caps, i may try this on the headphone out
 
but it really doesn't look like there's much room around either op amps


When I removed the shield from the card I went, "Wow, that's a lot of bent caps."

 
Yes I know, that's the wrong direction to put the Op-Amp.
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/04/07 14:09:53 (permalink)
Call Burson. The Op-amp listed for the headphones on the NU is listed on the Burson website, so there should be no voltage issues. Just need too contact Burson about the other one to see what they recommend


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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/04/09 11:02:52 (permalink)
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What's the X4 (clock) value?
 
Also, why this thing is limited to 384 if the AKM is able to do 768kHz@32-bit with no problem?
 
The IC also supports DSD512 (22.4MHz).


From our own testing, the card can use 768kHz @32-bit, but the XMOS chip would force us to disable EQ at that sample rate.  Coupled with the extremely limited amount of content currently that is available at 768kHz, as well as no DAWs that support that sample rate for recording, we made the choice to keep it at 384kHz.  
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/04/09 11:14:35 (permalink)
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Funny I was about to ask about if it would work on the speaker op-amp slot. My two just arrived and I put one on the headphone op-amp slot. WOW. But does this mean...I can put two V6 op-amps on BOTH slots?


That's a very interesting question... please share your experience if you try it. I've also been looking into trying Bursons.
 
The NU Audio headphone amp taps into the line-out signal path, so replacing the line-out op-amp affects the sound of both outputs. So, the question is, would replacing both line-out and headphone op-amps make things even better, or is it overkill?


From our friends at Audio Note:
 
"Yes, if you are using the headphone out, then you would ideally replace both op-amps.
 
However there are two caveats:
 
1) Preferably, the op-amp used in the HPA position (replacing the OP275) is a FET input type, or at least have low input bias current, otherwise adjusting the HPA volume control will cause zipper noise (and you might get distortion if the bias current is excessively high).*
 
2) I have tried the HPA with many different op-amps, and haven't had a problem yet. However, I didn't try a Burson in there. That means it's 'untested'.
 
* I mean here in the 50nA and below realm."
 
 Hopefully that answers your questions.
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/04/09 12:41:50 (permalink)

 Well I gave it a try and yes it does work. Unlike replacing the headphone Op-Amp, I'm not sure if I heard that much more of a difference in either headphone or speaker output this time. 
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/04/09 23:06:40 (permalink)
So i have been on the fence about getting the V6 op-amps this week, spent my money on more headphones heh. So after this mod you can 
definitively say that the Bursons will make a 20 dollar headphone set sound like they are Focal Clears, would there be any other advantages you immediately noticed?
Or what im really asking is would you recommend the Burson V6's
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/04/10 19:15:39 (permalink)
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So i have been on the fence about getting the V6 op-amps this week, spent my money on more headphones heh. So after this mod you can 
definitively say that the Bursons will make a 20 dollar headphone set sound like they are Focal Clears, would there be any other advantages you immediately noticed?
Or what im really asking is would you recommend the Burson V6's




Should you have the $70 USD and shipping costs, I would. I don't know anything that would make cheap headphones sound like Focal Clears though, lol. You don't have to buy two, just pick one and then decide if you use the speaker output or headphone output more and go with that. 
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/04/12 17:02:47 (permalink)
I have dual Burson V5i op amps. According to Burson I could use one to replace the headphone OP275 but I am unsure of the AD8056. The V5i is a substitute for the AD8066 but the AD8056 is not mentioned. I note the AD8056 is actually a mono amp whereas given the EVGA diagram of the card you would expect a stereo device like the AD8066.
 
Update: burson replied I could use both, one for headphone the other for line. I installed them and fiound the improvement well worth the investment. So much so that I have now disconnected my topping d50.
 
post edited by Triplefun - 2019/04/26 18:05:16
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO ...DSD vs Flac or AIFF 2019/04/26 16:42:36 (permalink)
DSD audio is quite dead on arrival . The lack of titles and the size of the files make this format somewhat undesired. I have an asus essence stx with OPA2134PA-ND op-amp SoundPlus series DSD over PCM + Sennheiser HD 700 Headphones. DSD is great but not many people are really equipped to hear the difference . DSD 256 files are way too large. A normal CD 16 bit 44kHz-WAV 630MB would be DSD64 2.5GB , DSD256 9.8GB or 192kHz-FLAC 2.7GB...what I mostly use is FLAC 1.2GB or PCM 48hz AIFF 1.7GB .
 
Most Gamers don't listen to very high quality DSD audio files for the main reason that DSD files are classical or jazz music.  Anyone can listen and make their own mind as if they can hear the difference between a FLAC file or AAC 320 , go to radioparadise.com/listen/stream-links , you can then test their flac player link and listen for yourself.  Then you can go to 2l.no/hires/index and download some sample files in DSD, MQA, or whatever you want to test, if you're equipped to test those files. Use the AAC320 url link in foobar2000 and ASIO output if you can. If the words ASIO and foobar wasapi output doesn't mean much to you, then DSD won't mean much neither. 
 
A great stereo sound card will position the sound like a 5.1 system if you have a good set of headphone. The problem being that if you use a normal set of gaming headphone/microphone , they are usually not of a super great quality. If you buy a $250 sound card, you need at least a set of headphone of equal value. Nobody will convince me that onboard sound is equal to a good sound card like that new EVGA NU or older Asus essence STX except for some $500 EVGA motherboard that have the Creative Sound Core3D Quad-Core Audio Processor, which are very good. Many of the features needed to produce clear, crisp sound simply can't be added to a Realtek onboard sound cards. Those Realtek chip don't perform like a ESS sabre or AKM chip. ( the OPA2134PA-ND op-amp SoundPlus series is very good, much better than the OP amp that came with the essence stx ,I've tried 4 different op-amps and this one is the best ) The older asus essence stx (or STXII) 7.1 is really hard to beat for gaming and audiophile sound.
My 2 cents. ! 
 
post edited by fignolin - 2019/04/26 17:22:41
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO ...DSD vs Flac or AIFF 2019/04/26 18:09:45 (permalink)
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DSD audio is quite dead on arrival . The lack of titles and the size of the files make this format somewhat undesired. I have an asus essence stx with OPA2134PA-ND op-amp SoundPlus series DSD over PCM + Sennheiser HD 700 Headphones. DSD is great but not many people are really equipped to hear the difference . DSD 256 files are way too large. A normal CD 16 bit 44kHz-WAV 630MB would be DSD64 2.5GB , DSD256 9.8GB or 192kHz-FLAC 2.7GB...what I mostly use is FLAC 1.2GB or PCM 48hz AIFF 1.7GB .
 
Most Gamers don't listen to very high quality DSD audio files for the main reason that DSD files are classical or jazz music.  Anyone can listen and make their own mind as if they can hear the difference between a FLAC file or AAC 320 , go to radioparadise.com/listen/stream-links , you can then test their flac player link and listen for yourself.  Then you can go to 2l.no/hires/index and download some sample files in DSD, MQA, or whatever you want to test, if you're equipped to test those files. Use the AAC320 url link in foobar2000 and ASIO output if you can. If the words ASIO and foobar wasapi output doesn't mean much to you, then DSD won't mean much neither. 
 
A great stereo sound card will position the sound like a 5.1 system if you have a good set of headphone. The problem being that if you use a normal set of gaming headphone/microphone , they are usually not of a super great quality. If you buy a $250 sound card, you need at least a set of headphone of equal value. Nobody will convince me that onboard sound is equal to a good sound card like that new EVGA NU or older Asus essence STX except for some $500 EVGA motherboard that have the Creative Sound Core3D Quad-Core Audio Processor, which are very good. Many of the features needed to produce clear, crisp sound simply can't be added to a Realtek onboard sound cards. Those Realtek chip don't perform like a ESS sabre or AKM chip. ( the OPA2134PA-ND op-amp SoundPlus series is very good, much better than the OP amp that came with the essence stx ,I've tried 4 different op-amps and this one is the best ) The older asus essence stx (or STXII) 7.1 is really hard to beat for gaming and audiophile sound.
My 2 cents. ! 
 




Note that while there is a shortage of material originally recorded in DSD (the exception is NativeDSD  ) there is much to gain by real time upsampling of the FLAC 16/44 to DSD256. This can be easily achieved by the likes of Foobar, JRiver and HQPlayer. Please try it for yourself before making a knee jerk response based on why this could indeed be so when you have nothing but the original. Note you need a good CPU to handle the overhead. Also, setting the ASIO buffer to max (16384 samples) minimises any background interference from the motherboard.
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO ...DSD vs Flac or AIFF 2019/05/10 14:20:24 (permalink)
Yes, upsampling to DSD512 is extremely nice.  Which is why it is a bummer that the potential of the AKM was kneecapped.
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO ...DSD vs Flac or AIFF 2019/05/10 15:21:00 (permalink)
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Yes, upsampling to DSD512 is extremely nice.  Which is why it is a bummer that the potential of the AKM was kneecapped.


My understanding is that 512 is still something we can add back for support.  As noted above, we chose not to use 768KHz due to it disabling EQ.  I'm not aware of similar limitations regarding DSD support.  I'll look into this more after next week.
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO ...DSD vs Flac or AIFF 2019/05/13 10:50:28 (permalink)
Please. Having support for dsd512 would be extremely welcome!
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO ...DSD vs Flac or AIFF 2019/05/19 15:51:14 (permalink)
Since I don't use my front audio connectors I don't have to connect the HD Audio cable to the card if I don't want to correct? Im mostly using the card for my AudioEngine Speakers. My gaming headset is usb. 
 
Just want to make sure 
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO ...DSD vs Flac or AIFF 2019/05/19 15:53:10 (permalink)
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Since I don't use my front audio connectors I don't have to connect the HD Audio cable to the card if I don't want to correct? Im mostly using the card for my AudioEngine Speakers. My gaming headset is usb. 
 
Just want to make sure 




The front audio header connection is optional.
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO ...DSD vs Flac or AIFF 2019/05/19 16:28:32 (permalink)
I was wondering does the EVGA software allow the audio responsive LED lighting to sync with other EVGA hardware? I would love it if my CLC and graphics card and case fans in my DG7 would flash to the sound of the beat as well as the NU Audio card.

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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO ...DSD vs Flac or AIFF 2019/05/19 16:32:47 (permalink)
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I was wondering does the EVGA software allow the audio responsive LED lighting to sync with other EVGA hardware? I would love it if my CLC and graphics card and case fans in my DG7 would flash to the sound of the beat as well as the NU Audio card.

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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO ...DSD vs Flac or AIFF 2019/05/19 22:44:18 (permalink)
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I was wondering does the EVGA software allow the audio responsive LED lighting to sync with other EVGA hardware? I would love it if my CLC and graphics card and case fans in my DG7 would flash to the sound of the beat as well as the NU Audio card.


No, the LED is standalone currently.
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO ...DSD vs Flac or AIFF 2019/05/21 12:57:07 (permalink)
Both are currently $199 the Nu Audio and the Burson Play what do you guys think out of the box is the better sounding and better deal?
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO ...DSD vs Flac or AIFF 2019/05/21 14:24:52 (permalink)
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Both are currently $199 the Nu Audio and the Burson Play what do you guys think out of the box is the better sounding and better deal?


I have not heard the Burson Play but given the ES9018 dac chip I would go for the warmer and more modern Nu Audio AKM AK4493. Also the Nu Audio software is undergoing frequent upgrades with new functionality. The Nu Audio is also better suited to gaming and the current offer of $199 is excellent value. I also highly recommend rolling the 2 internal Nu Audio Op Amps for Burson V5i D.
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/05/28 09:11:13 (permalink)
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I have SACD and high res. FLAC albums in surround. Are you planning to release a 5.1 or 7.1 version of this card?


Unless you have the super rare SACD capable disc drive that was released by Sony in the 2000s, no SACD can be played on a computer. To get the DSD files off of an SACD, both multichannel and stereo gotta use the PS3 Other OS extraction method.

But if you do indeed have DSD files on your computer, as I do, the card will output the stereo DSF files via the stereo analog outs just fine. You won't be able to output any form of lossless multichannel via the Toslink out, including DSD and your lossless FLACs. Although the lack of multichannel analog outs is a limitation, the need for such connections is such a fringe case to the point where I don't blame EVGA for not including them. Not many people have lossless multichannel audio on their computer, and even fewer will use their PCs to drive their playback.



I'm using Foobar2000 to play SACD ripped ISOs with either stereo or surround SACD tracks using 352800 Hz setting. I'm currently using Sound Blaster AE-5, which works fine for music and surround gaming. I'm really hoping EVGA releases 5.1ch version of NU Audio with native DSD support in mind.
 
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/05/28 10:24:16 (permalink)
It is possible to rip sacd using a number of devices.  Google "audiophilestyle sacd ripping using an oppo or pioneer yes it is true".
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/05/31 01:02:37 (permalink)
I am an EVGA Elite Member, but I do not see a link anywhere to purchase a Nu Audio card. Can anyone help me with that?
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/06/16 19:29:14 (permalink)
Hi Jacob,
   I'm in the same boat.  I got used to everything going across optical on my Sound Blaster Z.  The "One cable to rule them all" approach.  I'm running into an older Yamaha RX-V663 with some same era JBL towers and surrounds.  It was really great.  Maybe a bit boomy on the sub, but enjoyable.  Now I have the SB X AE-5, which does not support such things.  However maddening it was, stringing 3 RCA splitter cables, I think I've actually ended up on top.  I had to swap the Z back in to tell, but the DAC's do provide a warmer flatter reproduction.  I have to mention Microsoft movies at this point though.  To get 5.1 working again, not just a simulated echo from the front channel, I had to go into sound settings and uncheck "enable audio enhancements".  All the SB enhancements still work and are adjustable -  maybe just driver problem.  
   I'm going to be looking into this Atmos plugin and a compatible receiver though. DAC'ing out to a good receiver's analogs is probably the purest form of audio you'll get out of a PC.  Though at a certain point of digital wizardry, I'm sure you find a breaking point where the translation is equal or even perceived as better.  This according to personal taste.
   I would like to hear from anyone using Atmos on a home theater receiver and has had similar setups.
 
 
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/06/16 20:14:45 (permalink)
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I have SACD and high res. FLAC albums in surround. Are you planning to release a 5.1 or 7.1 version of this card?


Unless you have the super rare SACD capable disc drive that was released by Sony in the 2000s, no SACD can be played on a computer. To get the DSD files off of an SACD, both multichannel and stereo gotta use the PS3 Other OS extraction method.

But if you do indeed have DSD files on your computer, as I do, the card will output the stereo DSF files via the stereo analog outs just fine. You won't be able to output any form of lossless multichannel via the Toslink out, including DSD and your lossless FLACs. Although the lack of multichannel analog outs is a limitation, the need for such connections is such a fringe case to the point where I don't blame EVGA for not including them. Not many people have lossless multichannel audio on their computer, and even fewer will use their PCs to drive their playback.



I'm using Foobar2000 to play SACD ripped ISOs with either stereo or surround SACD tracks using 352800 Hz setting. I'm currently using Sound Blaster AE-5, which works fine for music and surround gaming. I'm really hoping EVGA releases 5.1ch version of NU Audio with native DSD support in mind.
 


Utterly pointless.  For stereo, you will never need anything more than 44.1 kHz at 24 bit (0 Hz to 22 kHz audio range with 0 to 144 dB [worst case] dynamic range). And realistically, usually 44.1 kHz at 16 bit is sufficient (0 Hz to 22 kHz audio range with 0 to 96 dB [worst case] dynamic range). Keep it real. Keep it compatible.

Post #8, everything you need to know:
https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2964910
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/06/16 20:28:25 (permalink)
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Utterly pointless.  For stereo, you will never need anything more than 44.1 kHz at 24 bit (0 Hz to 22 kHz audio range with 0 to 144 dB [worst case] dynamic range). And realistically, usually 44.1 kHz at 16 bit is sufficient (0 Hz to 22 kHz audio range with 0 to 96 dB [worst case] dynamic range). Keep it real. Keep it compatible.

Post #8, everything you need to know:
https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2964910




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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/06/21 13:46:40 (permalink)
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Utterly pointless.  For stereo, you will never need anything more than 44.1 kHz at 24 bit (0 Hz to 22 kHz audio range with 0 to 144 dB [worst case] dynamic range). And realistically, usually 44.1 kHz at 16 bit is sufficient (0 Hz to 22 kHz audio range with 0 to 96 dB [worst case] dynamic range). Keep it real. Keep it compatible.

Post #8, everything you need to know:






Have you even tried dsd upsampling. The evga Delta sigma dac upsamples pcm to dsd prior to processing. If you do this in the computer then you have more control and put less overhead on the dac resulting in layinga more natural sound. Try it!
 
If you want a natural pcm playback then get a r2r dac.
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/06/23 06:55:12 (permalink)
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Utterly pointless.  For stereo, you will never need anything more than 44.1 kHz at 24 bit (0 Hz to 22 kHz audio range with 0 to 144 dB [worst case] dynamic range). And realistically, usually 44.1 kHz at 16 bit is sufficient (0 Hz to 22 kHz audio range with 0 to 96 dB [worst case] dynamic range). Keep it real. Keep it compatible.

Post #8, everything you need to know:






Have you even tried dsd upsampling. The evga Delta sigma dac upsamples pcm to dsd prior to processing. If you do this in the computer then you have more control and put less overhead on the dac resulting in layinga more natural sound. Try it!

Pointless. Upsampling has no benefit. There was no useful signal missing from the original 44.1 kHz data stream.  And, up-sampling can't add supposedly missing natural sound to the data.  All up-sampling does is stretch out the data points and add nothing in between.  It's the equivalent of zooming into a pixelated image.  Plus, the dsd is single-bit? Why would you want that? It sounds worse.  And, why would the DAC ever need less overhead? Bunch of nonsense. Sounds like you were converting just for the sake of converting.
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/06/23 14:03:47 (permalink)
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Utterly pointless.  For stereo, you will never need anything more than 44.1 kHz at 24 bit (0 Hz to 22 kHz audio range with 0 to 144 dB [worst case] dynamic range). And realistically, usually 44.1 kHz at 16 bit is sufficient (0 Hz to 22 kHz audio range with 0 to 96 dB [worst case] dynamic range). Keep it real. Keep it compatible.

Post #8, everything you need to know:






Have you even tried dsd upsampling. The evga Delta sigma dac upsamples pcm to dsd prior to processing. If you do this in the computer then you have more control and put less overhead on the dac resulting in layinga more natural sound. Try it!

Pointless. Upsampling has no benefit. There was no useful signal missing from the original 44.1 kHz data stream.  And, up-sampling can't add supposedly missing natural sound to the data.  All up-sampling does is stretch out the data points and add nothing in between.  It's the equivalent of zooming into a pixelated image.  Plus, the dsd is single-bit? Why would you want that? It sounds worse.  And, why would the DAC ever need less overhead? Bunch of nonsense. Sounds like you were converting just for the sake of converting.


I appreciate your frankness but please just try it and I think you will be impressed. Your i7 3770k should be able to handle DSD256 upsampling. You can always use Foobar which doesn't cost anything. And note the upsampling algorithms are a lot more than just a linear interpolation with the result the music is smoother and more natural sounding. There are a lot of forums on the web supporting the value of this process. 
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/06/23 17:57:20 (permalink)
Once this card is my default audio device, can I utilize the pci bus to bring in a source from the optical drive (a audio cd) and have it go through the card for up sampling then to another location, lets say
a HDD or a second optical drive, for the final saving of the file.
 
If not, then I could still attach a portable exterior cd player in at the line in, and then send it to be up sampled to the HDD or Optical drive. I'll bet that is the only way.
Of course, the former would be simpler and the more preferred.
 
Wouldn't it be great to have 2 optical drives and run it from one, to the up sampling ,and out to the other. Or out to a HDD would be great too.
That would really be using the bus for in and out.
Doable?
 
regards and thanks. I'm liking the focus on the 2 channel stereo!
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