lehpron
If you're going to presume someone else's perogatives to make a point, then I'll do the same and we'll both be right:  30 months after 8800GT debuted with the PCIe 2.0 spec, GTX480 was able to reach x8 2.0.  If I got a system with PCIe 3.0, I expect it to last much longer than 30 months, so x8 wouldn't be enough bandwidth.

Enough for what? Tests show that PCIe bandwidth makes very little difference overall for gaming (with negligible impact down to x2 speeds, in many cases). Are you going to tell me that you expect to upgrade to a brand new GPU in a couple of years, while not upgrading the motherboard, and still caring about a possible future <5% performance penalty?
 
Edit: it occurs to me that the PCIe bandwidth argument is invalid, since the slots will default to x16/x0 when only the first slot is in use (and x8/x8 when both are). So you lose nothing really.
 
Also, "prerogatives." :P

lehpron
None of those other cards require the real estate wasted on a mini board by having an additional full physical x16, per the rendering you refered to.

They could be open-ended PCIe x8 slots, I suppose. A Mini-DTX board already has more real estate than mini-ITX though, so it's just icing at that point.

lehpron 
If you don't want to use a single-slot [graphics] cards, that doesn't mean the slot is "inaccessible in any standard chassis"; it's just you.  Give Axiomtek credit, they didn't make a board on the hunch it will sell with slots no one can use except with creative chassis'.

No, I'm quite sure it's not just me. Look carefully: that board is Mini-ITX - 170 x 170mm, yet it has two slots. But Mini-ITX normally is only wide enough to allow for one expansion slot. That means any card installed in the inner slot (the x16) conflicts with the I/O shield in any standard chassis. It seems the board was intended to be used in rackmount chassis with right-angled risers.
 

lehpron
It happens to be a legacy configuration that boards had for many years, before most PCIe cards became dual-slot.  Even both the Shuttle Z77 barebone and Zotac's setup use-- like I said, either their customers have no choice or just want to use it.  Consider that Zotac didn't bother expanding their lineup with more mini-DTX boards shows us the demand hasn't grown large enough for those other products, all of their newer LGA1155 mini boards are still mini-ITX.

I'm aware that Mini-DTX boards have been around for a while now (though Shuttle boards aren't Mini-DTX). Mini-DTX and Atom are a mismatch in capability IMO; people choose low-powered CPUs typically for very compact builds, which often means cases with no expansion slots, let alone two. It doesn't surprise me that those boards haven't been particularly successful for Zotac.
 

lehpron
If you see my criticism that way, then you're not hearing me out.  I've seen people like you every once in a while, you all get upset when the stuff you like isn't more common or obvious to anyone else (like those wanting higher Vram to be standard on GK104), but somehow the simplest conclusion still evades:  There aren't enough people like you to make money from.  These companies aren't stupid driving a conspiracy against the best ideas, but someone needs to pay for them and usually a few thousand orders are needed to make it worth the company's money to start.

How much more do you suppose it costs to make the board 30mm wider and add an expansion slot? Hell, it might even save costs over mini-ITX - DTX was created by AMD to be a low-cost form factor:

AMD press release
"DTX will allow up to four motherboards – for low cost – per standard printed circuit board manufacturing panel sizes

• Mini-DTX will allow up to six motherboards – for low cost – per standard printed circuit board manufacturing panel sizes
• DTX motherboards can be manufactured in as few as four layers of printed circuit board wiring for motherboard cost savings
• By leveraging backward-compatibility with ATX infrastructure, vendors may gain a low-cost DTX product offering with little development expense"

The additional cost is likely negligible, if any.
 
And as for "not enough people like [me] to make money from" - if that's true then there aren't enough people to make money from an enthusiast-class Mini-ITX board, since the market for such a Mini-DTX board would fully include the market for a Mini-ITX board, plus all the people who want that extra expansion slot. Remember, an enthusiast-class Mini-DTX board is compatible with virtually every enthusiast-class (read: dual-slot) Mini-ITX case on the market.
 
Edit: I realized, based on some of your comments, that you might not actually be aware that Mini-DTX is in fact larger than Mini-ITX (170 x 203mm vs. 170 x 170mm, to be precise). If so, that might shed some light on your arguments for me. The fact is, with Mini-DTX you lose nothing compared to Mini-ITX. There is no downside whatsoever (with the possible (probably negligible) exception of cost).

DMIINC

If EVGA makes mITX board this will be my next water cooling project.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5867/bitfenix-prodigy-review-the-affordable-performable-miniitx

I saw that case on newegg.com review.  It is really thought out on layout.  They designed this case to use every sata port, big PSU, water cool, go all out for the mITX boards.  If you wanted a ultra mITX PC, that is the case you would want to use. 
 
Unfortunely for me, I need the expansion slots required for all the slot cards I use on my main rig.  Only an ATX will fill that need.  But for my massive storage needs, it would work.

DraginElite

Is it july yet? ... lol

Is it August yet?
 
Its all good, I just planned a week off each month from work.  Got to burn up my vacation leave or lose it at the end of the year.  Maybe EVGA will release it right before my vacation.  Will give me something to build and play with. 

As a side note on mITX motherboards...
 
Initially we looked into putting the VRM on a separate PCB, this allowed us to increase the VRM count because of the limited space.
 
Ultimately we found that this made the VRM performance a lot worse! If you think about it for a second... you have 8pin CPU power in on mainboard PCB, then it transfers over to daughter PCB, then back to the mainboard PCB! There is a big voltage drop because of this, ideally, the power phases should be as close to the CPU as possible.

It is close to the PCI-E slot but I am not aware of any compatibility with coolers at this point...

So we are looking at agust before mITX board comes out. Is that true?

I'm still interested in this board, but I think I'm going to step up a size and just do a m-ATX build with another motherboard I'm eyeing, can't wait much longer to build next rig.
 
Good luck all!

DMIINC

LearjetMinako

Sometime around August.  We may hear offical news in July.

Now I worry it will be September before it hits the product pages.

Don't lower your hopes too much.  This isn't like the Z77 FTW type deal.  I'm sure when EVGA releases their offical news, it will also be avaible to buy that day too.  Besides, I took a week off from work in every month that is left in this year.  So I'm ready to build.

I'm sure it will be out soon, it has to; Haswell will debut with Z87 in a new socket LGA1150 by April or so next year, so an LGA1155 EVGA mITX will have approximately 9 months of competitive life before they start to depend on late-adopters to sell the board, and there aren't many of those.  Granted once they have that template, a mITX Z87 won't be much adjustment; if they make one.

blacksapphire08

EVGA_JacobF

As a side note on mITX motherboards...

Initially we looked into putting the VRM on a separate PCB, this allowed us to increase the VRM count because of the limited space.

Ultimately we found that this made the VRM performance a lot worse! If you think about it for a second... you have 8pin CPU power in on mainboard PCB, then it transfers over to daughter PCB, then back to the mainboard PCB! There is a big voltage drop because of this, ideally, the power phases should be as close to the CPU as possible.

So its reasonable to assume that the Asus mITX Z77 board would have the same problem?

I was thinking the same thing.

I'm still going to wait for EVGA to release the mITX.  Might be a different story for my X58 rig thou.  After seeing the reports that an Intel i5 3450s has about the same processing power as to a i7 930 (OC to 3.4GHz) and uses less wattage.  I might consider upgrading.  Thou I won't be upgrading till when Haswell arrives.

LearjetMinako

Only about a month left till the estimated arrival.

and like you and me quite a few are probably chomping on the bit to see Pix of it ... even prototypes ... hey Kingpin ... you get that mITX OC'd yet? ... hehe

I'm hoping for this heat wave to go away.  All folding has stopped because I can't keep the house cool enough in this one room.  Oh, and photos of the new mITX board too would be nice.

No kidding with the rain.  It's overcast skies over here.  Thought it might rain today, nope.  Just going to be a cloudy day.  Good time to water the yard with no wind and sun to evporate your watering.
 
Looks like my next mITX build (Mercury) is going bust.  We've decided to just let dad pick an OEM PC so he can't complain if anything should go wrong.  But I'm still building Mercury as a living PC now.  And Crystal will still get the new EVGA mITX as planned.
 
Also I'm gathering up quite a few FAH donation parts.  I'm thinking on the next FAH TimeZoneChallenge, I'm going to put up for donation an EVGA GTX470 SC, Asus LGA775 mobo (P4 HT & Ram included), and an Intel Extreme Core 2 QX6700 PC (Complete PC, thats if it doesn't sell till the challenge), and a PenD 940 3.2GHz CPU. 

I'm new to the EVGA motherboard scene after ASUS customer service failed.  Just plain failed.  That means I'm in the market for a new mini-ITX board and came across this thread a couple of weeks ago.  I’m not really the forum type, but I’ve been following on the sidelines in the hopes that I would learn more about the board and when it would be available.  I know that Jacob said July-August but I'm hoping they can show us what is actually coming even if they can't say exactly when.  The ASRock board looks pretty ok (and is at a decent price) and I just read MSI is putting out a Z77 mini-ITX (though I would never buy an MSI board...again...it was a different time...I was young and broke...don’t judge...).  The point being that I don't want to end up waiting (and waiting and waiting) for an EVGA board only to find out that it isn't what I'm looking for.  Or that it is going to be released so far in the future as to not meet my current needs.
 
Please stop teasing and throw us a bone EVGA.  Your current customers are all raving about your customer service, and that already puts you way ahead of ASUS in my book, so I'm willing to wait, but I would like to have some idea as to what I'm waiting for.