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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon
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Who is optimus and what is his Twitter handle?
It's a newer company that makes watercooling components, and are best known for their CPU blocks:
https://optimuspc.com/
https://twitter.com/Optimus_WC
More specifically, Optimus is known for producing waterblocks that beat the competition by more than 1-2 degrees.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon
2020/11/23 19:15:56
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The general issue with any "binning" process is that the lower tier cards automatically drop in potential. You're basically reducing the chance of each of the lower tiers of cards from getting a good chip. It can still happen, but much less likely. Whether Vince steals 1 or 2 out of hundreds that have already been heavily binned doesn't matter that much. You're still going to get a top notch card with the KingPin.
This rings true to me. One or three of the tip top getting pulled for one reason or another by EVGA, NVIDIA or other stakeholder in the manufacturing process should be expected. On balance, the higher end cards should have the better binned...and I would hope that any of them allocated to the K|NGP|N will perform better than any other EVGA card.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon
2020/11/24 03:22:35
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Have they mentioned anything about a optional water block for the kingpin in the event you own a hybrid and want to switch it to water?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon
2020/11/24 09:58:43
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Clovis559
Have they mentioned anything about a optional water block for the kingpin in the event you own a hybrid and want to switch it to water?
Still not clear. This is the only thing I've seen regarding this from Jacob
Thank you. Hopefully they lean towards taking our money 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon
2020/11/24 09:58:47
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Have they mentioned anything about a optional water block for the kingpin in the event you own a hybrid and want to switch it to water?
Currently to be determined, but apparently Optimus is planning on making a block for it, and I wouldn't be surprised if it performed better.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon
2020/11/24 10:54:21
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misomalu
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Have they mentioned anything about a optional water block for the kingpin in the event you own a hybrid and want to switch it to water?
Currently to be determined, but apparently Optimus is planning on making a block for it, and I wouldn't be surprised if it performed better.
Those Optimus blocks look like they're about 10 pounds of metal, just a whole heck of a lot of thermal mass. I think Steve used their FTW3 blocks on an early GN RipJay run, and I seem to recall him saying they had good performance. I'm not sure they've released any production FTW3 block yet for other to test.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon
2020/11/24 12:22:20
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This rings true to me. One or three of the tip top getting pulled for one reason or another by EVGA, NVIDIA or other stakeholder in the manufacturing process should be expected. On balance, the higher end cards should have the better binned...and I would hope that any of them allocated to the K|NGP|N will perform better than any other EVGA card.
I think this is what EVGA wants you to believe. There's no actual proof or statement given that these cards are higher binned than any other 3090. All I would assume is you're paying $200 more over the Strix for a similar PCB, and you maybe get an EVC2 thrown in (which you actually don't because they don't even sell EVBOT anymore) along with an XOC bios. In fact I'd believe that if EVGA actually were binning cards they'd be advertising the hell out of it as a reason to buy them over Asus. And Vince wouldn't need to go and manually sort through cards to find the best one...he'd be able to look up info in a spreadsheet and go pull the one that's the best.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon
2020/11/24 12:25:37
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I think this is what EVGA wants you to believe. There's no actual proof or statement given that these cards are higher binned than any other 3090. All I would assume is you're paying $200 more over the Strix for a similar PCB, and you maybe get an EVC2 thrown in (which you actually don't because they don't even sell EVBOT anymore) along with an XOC bios.
In fact I'd believe that if EVGA actually were binning cards they'd be advertising the hell out of it as a reason to buy them over Asus.
KPE have always been binned. And they're only available in very limited quantities. In terms of available quantities, ROG Strix will have 100x more supply than there will be with the KPE cards. You don't advertise a card when you don't even have enough of them to sell to your own forum members. Lol.
Need to spamtribute 100 posts for Elite status to be able to get a KingPin because Jacob. My apologies in advance.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon
2020/11/24 12:30:03
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This rings true to me. One or three of the tip top getting pulled for one reason or another by EVGA, NVIDIA or other stakeholder in the manufacturing process should be expected. On balance, the higher end cards should have the better binned...and I would hope that any of them allocated to the K|NGP|N will perform better than any other EVGA card.
I think this is what EVGA wants you to believe. There's no actual proof or statement given that these cards are higher binned than any other 3090. All I would assume is you're paying $200 more over the Strix for a similar PCB, and you maybe get an EVC2 thrown in (which you actually don't because they don't even sell EVBOT anymore) along with an XOC bios.
In fact I'd believe that if EVGA actually were binning cards they'd be advertising the hell out of it as a reason to buy them over Asus. And Vince wouldn't need to go and manually sort through cards to find the best one...he'd be able to look up info in a spreadsheet and go pull the one that's the best.
5:45 https://youtu.be/H5EVx6p3p0MProof the 2080ti KPE was binned. It wasn’t advertised. Does that mean the 3090 KPE is binned? No, but something would have had to change.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon
2020/11/24 13:05:44
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Its a process like binning. They have an obfuscated / not public procedure for this...
For example with the 2080ti KPE, near the die something like "55" was written in red sharpy. IMO the 55 represented 2050 base bin. Pretty much every 2080TI KPE that was not a dud and had a familiar owner could clock the card at the 2205 or 2220 bin on air @<45c ... While I could be wrong about which bin is coded in red sharpy, the process does exist.
Vince even mentioned it last year on the Jay vs Steve 2080ti KPE stream when Jay was trying to decipher "Vince's markings to determine the best card to start with..."
The 2080TI FTW3 Ultra's however typically clocked on water @ 2145-2175 with the best of the bunch coming in at the 2205 bin...
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon
2020/11/24 13:18:48
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misomalu
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Who is optimus and what is his Twitter handle?
It's a newer company that makes watercooling components, and are best known for their CPU blocks:
https://optimuspc.com/
https://twitter.com/Optimus_WC
More specifically, Optimus is known for producing waterblocks that beat the competition by more than 1-2 degrees.
Quite right. I've got their Signature CPU block, two of their pump reservoirs and several fittings and couldn't be happier. The aesthetics are fantastic and the build quality is also pretty good. (One of the reservoirs vortex inhibitors was broken during shipment, and they sent a replacement pump top immediately. I highly recommend them.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon
2020/11/24 16:16:21
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Hey PopinFRESH007,
If you decide not to go with this card, I am willing to buy it from you no problem. I missed the notification sign up because I was working and I've been waiting for this card for over a year. I was waiting for a next gen Nvidia k|ngp|n.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon
2020/11/24 16:39:50
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Hey PopinFRESH007,
If you decide not to go with this card, I am willing to buy it from you no problem. I missed the notification sign up because I was working and I've been waiting for this card for over a year. I was waiting for a next gen Nvidia k|ngp|n.
Popinfresh claims to have signed up for auto notify at 6:00:14, a good 18 seconds before everyone else. Enough said.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon
2020/11/24 16:58:42
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https://youtu.be/hhgS85ejnvY Jayz2cents just posted a video on YouTube. This looks like a retail version. Edit : nevermind, clickbait. No actual content.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon
2020/11/24 17:15:36
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flyingtoaster85
https://youtu.be/hhgS85ejnvY
Jayz2cents just posted a video on YouTube. This looks like a retail version.
Edit : nevermind, clickbait. No actual content.
One benchmark at 14990 or something right before the end, then no actual content.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon
2020/11/24 17:21:44
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Clovis559
flyingtoaster85
https://youtu.be/hhgS85ejnvY
Jayz2cents just posted a video on YouTube. This looks like a retail version.
Edit : nevermind, clickbait. No actual content.
One benchmark at 14990 or something right before the end, then no actual content.
This video was made before the invitational occurred where they were hitting 15.3-15.5 on the AIO.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon
2020/11/24 17:26:46
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Funny to see more reviewers with these cards (not just Kingpin) than regular customers. Sad state of affairs.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon
2020/11/24 18:03:52
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This video was made before the invitational occurred where they were hitting 15.3-15.5 on the AIO.
With the AIO, Steve from Gamer Nexus scored 15000 and JayZ scored 15300. Both with some cents added on.
Need to spamtribute 100 posts for Elite status to be able to get a KingPin because Jacob. My apologies in advance.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon
2020/11/24 18:54:00
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Hey PopinFRESH007,
If you decide not to go with this card, I am willing to buy it from you no problem. I missed the notification sign up because I was working and I've been waiting for this card for over a year. I was waiting for a next gen Nvidia k|ngp|n.
Popinfresh claims to have signed up for auto notify at 6:00:14, a good 18 seconds before everyone else. Enough said.
thanks for the heads up :)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon
2020/11/24 18:58:43
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Funny to see more reviewers with these cards (not just Kingpin) than regular customers. Sad state of affairs.
People aside from Jay and Steve have them? I'm cool with that to an extent. I need to see what I'm buying for $2k.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon
2020/11/24 19:04:40
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Funny to see more reviewers with these cards (not just Kingpin) than regular customers. Sad state of affairs.
People aside from Jay and Steve have them? I'm cool with that to an extent. I need to see what I'm buying for $2k.
Yeah I wouldn't mind seeing some reviews that weren't done under time constraints. Well...time constraint before they moved over to LN2 testing. Cuz that stream was...yeah...it was long. Right now I'm looking for one with the expectation of 15k+ Port Royal score with the Hybrid cooler guaranteed.
Need to spamtribute 100 posts for Elite status to be able to get a KingPin because Jacob. My apologies in advance.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon
2020/11/24 19:18:09
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hope i get my old card sorted out before the new ones drop,cant wait to see the kingpin and hydros
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon
2020/11/24 21:16:51
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When can we expect the Kingpin Hydro Copper? Really looking forward to getting my hands on it for my 30th birthday!
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon
2020/11/24 21:24:02
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When can we expect the Kingpin Hydro Copper? Really looking forward to getting my hands on it for my 30th birthday!
A Hydro Copper edition was advertised for the 2080ti Kingpin but a separate block is what was actually released.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon
2020/11/24 21:26:32
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Yeah I know but I was hoping we’d have two separate cards for the 3090
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon
2020/11/24 22:13:06
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Any Speculation on a release date for the 3090 KPE HydroCopper?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon
2020/11/24 22:18:03
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During the Overclocking comp, if you watch the video somewhere in the 9 hours, at the same time that Jacob says, "No specific time" or something like that, Vince says December.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon
2020/11/25 05:26:01
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i was there all along during the live event and vince said next month for hydro copper 3090kpe. he didnt mention the exact date when or like is at the beginning/middle/or end of the next month he just said next month for the hc
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon
2020/11/25 06:32:15
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I owned a few gens of kingpins. The only time I recall it being marketed as binned as that near useless price based on asic. Do I personally believe they are all binned, absolutely not. I don't think any aib bins their cards. I am more inclined to believe the HOFs are binned due to their limited nature globablly.
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