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flyingtoaster85

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flyingtoaster85

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Back to my original question. Jay used a 10900K chip and Steve used a 10900KF. Kingpin also used a 10900KF to get his record. Do Vince and Steve know something the rest of us don’t? I need to upgrade my CPU and I'm trying to decide between the 5950x and the 10900k or 10900KF. I currently have a 9900KF that runs a stable 5.1 and 5.2 not so stable. In the stream Jay said he and Steve were given 10900K's that Intel told them both that they could run 5.70. Is this possibly a new version of the 10900K is coming out such as a 10900KS maybe? Also does anyone know if the new intel rocket lake chip 11900k will be compatible with the Z490 motherboards or heard any rumors on this? If I go the intel route I will definitely buy the ZZ490 Dark Kingpin edition. Advice is greatly appreciated as this new Kingpin card deserves only the best! Plus I would like an advantage when getting back in the overclocking rankings.

CPU doesn't matter for Port Royal. You may see a few (literally a few) more points with a 10900k due to better memory overclocking. There was a guy on the 3090 thread on overclock.net who complained his Port Royal scores dropped after "upgrading" to a 5950x from Intel. However, the 5950x has a massive advantage in any bench where the CPU matters like Firestrike and Time Spy.
 
It's unlikely that any new 10th gen CPUs will be released. The 10900KS version is statistically better than the 10900K based on Silicon Lottery: Historical Binning Statistics – Silicon Lottery. It is 3% more likely to hit 5.1 ghz and 1% more likely to hit 5.2ghz. However, you could buy a 10900KS that ends up at 5.1ghz just like your 9900K.
 
11th gen Intel should be compatible with Z490, but its not confirmed whether PCIE 4.0 will work.

 but will Rocket Lake require a Z490 motherboard with PCIe 4.0 to work? 

Nobody knows anything for certain about Z490 PCIe compatibility with Rocket Lake.
 
You have nothing to benefit from upgrading from a 9900KF to a 10900K(S). The 10900K will not give you a higher PR score. Both the 10900K and 9900K are obliterated by high core count CPUs in Firestrike and Timespy. Rocket Lake will have up to 8 cores, so it will also be obliterated. The only benefit to Rocket Lake is that it might end up being better than the 5950x for gaming.

It almost sounds like I'm better off getting the 5950x but will the AMD motherboards have the same memory overclocking abilities as the Z490 boards do? I hear memory overclocking makes a big difference in Port Royale scores and the Timespy/CPU benchmarks also.

The 5950X is not even on the top 100 for Time Spy Extreme CPU score. Take a look at the hall of fame and see what people are using.

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Back to my original question. Jay used a 10900K chip and Steve used a 10900KF. Kingpin also used a 10900KF to get his record. Do Vince and Steve know something the rest of us don’t? I need to upgrade my CPU and I'm trying to decide between the 5950x and the 10900k or 10900KF. I currently have a 9900KF that runs a stable 5.1 and 5.2 not so stable. In the stream Jay said he and Steve were given 10900K's that Intel told them both that they could run 5.70. Is this possibly a new version of the 10900K is coming out such as a 10900KS maybe? Also does anyone know if the new intel rocket lake chip 11900k will be compatible with the Z490 motherboards or heard any rumors on this? If I go the intel route I will definitely buy the ZZ490 Dark Kingpin edition. Advice is greatly appreciated as this new Kingpin card deserves only the best! Plus I would like an advantage when getting back in the overclocking rankings.

CPU doesn't matter for Port Royal. You may see a few (literally a few) more points with a 10900k due to better memory overclocking. There was a guy on the 3090 thread on overclock.net who complained his Port Royal scores dropped after "upgrading" to a 5950x from Intel. However, the 5950x has a massive advantage in any bench where the CPU matters like Firestrike and Time Spy.
 
It's unlikely that any new 10th gen CPUs will be released. The 10900KS version is statistically better than the 10900K based on Silicon Lottery: Historical Binning Statistics – Silicon Lottery. It is 3% more likely to hit 5.1 ghz and 1% more likely to hit 5.2ghz. However, you could buy a 10900KS that ends up at 5.1ghz just like your 9900K.
 
11th gen Intel should be compatible with Z490, but its not confirmed whether PCIE 4.0 will work.

 but will Rocket Lake require a Z490 motherboard with PCIe 4.0 to work? 

Nobody knows anything for certain about Z490 PCIe compatibility with Rocket Lake.
 
You have nothing to benefit from upgrading from a 9900KF to a 10900K(S). The 10900K will not give you a higher PR score. Both the 10900K and 9900K are obliterated by high core count CPUs in Firestrike and Timespy. Rocket Lake will have up to 8 cores, so it will also be obliterated. The only benefit to Rocket Lake is that it might end up being better than the 5950x for gaming.

It almost sounds like I'm better off getting the 5950x but will the AMD motherboards have the same memory overclocking abilities as the Z490 boards do? I hear memory overclocking makes a big difference in Port Royale scores and the Timespy/CPU benchmarks also.

The 5950X is not even on the top 100 for Time Spy Extreme CPU score. Take a look at the hall of fame and see what people are using.

https://www.3dmark.com/hall-of-fame-2/timespy+3dmark+score+extreme+preset/version+1.0
 
You are very correct but would it would be the best overall chip? The thread ripper sucks at graphics compared to the 5950X and the 10900k. It's so close to the Rocket Lake launch and I'd probably regret getting the 10900k when the 11900k comes out in a few months where as the 5950X just came out and will have a longer shelf life plus most likely still either beat or match the graphics of the 11900k. My biggest concern id the memory overclocking on the AMD boards as I understand they are very memory sensitive. Also I'm concerned about getting a z490 that won't work with the 11900k and having to upgrade again just a few months later.

Rocket Lake, including 11900K, will be on Z590.  While it's coming out in a few months, and about a year after Comet Lake, Alder Lake will also be releasing in 2021, so maybe 6 months after you get an 11900K you'll regret your purchase.  Z690 (or whatever it's called) will have 1700 pins instead of 1200 so definitely won't be compatible.

KP guys, Can someone please dump LN2 bios from his KP ? Wanna test some things, if possible upload it to techpowerup and send link :)
(U can dump it through GPU-Z)

creekthagray
Ok I know some have asked for info on the 3090, I have been working through the card and testing and have released a small video going over my first results using just the PX1 software only and a general overview of the card.
https://youtu.be/AuNTUvO6dl0
 
Let me know what you think. More to come soon as I finish testing other cooling setups.

14200 when overclocked on PR? What cpu do you have? People keep saying PR doesn't need a strong cpu, but I don't believe that.

flyingtoaster85

Sajin

creekthagray
Ok I know some have asked for info on the 3090, I have been working through the card and testing and have released a small video going over my first results using just the PX1 software only and a general overview of the card.
https://youtu.be/AuNTUvO6dl0
 
Let me know what you think. More to come soon as I finish testing other cooling setups.

14200 when overclocked on PR? What cpu do you have? People keep saying PR doesn't need a strong cpu, but I don't believe that.

2950X it looks like. Memory is probably running JDEC or close to it.

Makes sense now.

The PR scores are so disappointing given he says its on LN2 bios and he added a fan. Jayz2cents and GN got 14k and 14.3k PR score out of the box before any OC

telehog
I did the same mem + 1100, core +135 , I 9-90900ks at 5.4 , 4600 on ram, 5.1 on cashe, Port Royal  14553. I think  CPU and mem make a big difference . My 19 - 10980xe in Port royal will not come close  at 5.3 and 4200 on mem. http://www.3dmark.com/pr/566314

That is on the KPE? 

mattsrs
The PR scores are so disappointing given he says its on LN2 bios and he added a fan. Jayz2cents and GN got 14k and 14.3k PR score out of the box before any OC

Well we know those cards were sort of cherry picked. 

mattsrs

Cadillac94pimpin
Well we know those cards were sort of cherry picked. 

True! Looks like the KPEs we get as regular customers are just ftw3s with hybrid cooling and nothing more. Like yea there's KPE features such as fan header etc but the chips are not better binned

Everybody cancel your order!

Seriously, we haven’t seen what a retail card can do with an system that’s capable for anything other than 3D printing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_stages_of_grief#Stages_of_grief
 
But for real the results are meaningless until we see people using the classified tool to tweak voltages on the power uncapped bios. That is what will be required to hit the PR 15.4K on AIO cooling that Vince was talking about on livestream. 

Chamidorix
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_stages_of_grief#Stages_of_grief
 
But for real the results are meaningless until we see people using the classified tool to tweak voltages on the power uncapped bios. That is what will be required to hit the PR 15.4K on AIO cooling that Vince was talking about on livestream. 

I must have missed that part and I watched/re watched it. I would think it's possible or close given the scores the STRIX puts out. 

System specs are Gigabyte x570 Aorus Master
Due too supply issues a ryzen 5600x
G.SKILL Trident Z Neo Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) at 3600mhz.

The scores in the video are just using px1 to overclock the card. So it's not surprising that others with a 3090 would be getting a similar score. I have not used any of the Kingpin features other then the voltage slider in px1 in the video. I am currently working on using the dip switches on the back of the card that allow voltage modification and the scores are higher but I'm not done testing. Yes the evga classified tool will allow even more to be unlocked and it is what they were using one stream to allow the 15500 Port Royal score. Will try to update soon with just the dip switch results.

Port Royal

Stock vs. ONLY GPU overclock vs. CPU, GPU & RAM overclock


 

 

flyingtoaster85

There’s a separate 2080ti Kingpin thread.

lmao I'm like did PR changed their score range and we didn't know

NotoriouS^

flyingtoaster85

NotoriouS^
Port Royal

Stock vs. ONLY GPU overclock vs. CPU, GPU & RAM overclock

There’s a separate 2080ti Kingpin thread.

I am well aware, you missed the point. It was to collaborate what Sajin was saying........

I understood the context of your post!