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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon 2020/11/27 16:29:19 (permalink)
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I posted this in the other Kingpin thread, but I wonder if updating Precision X1 to the newest version that supports Kingpin might push a new BIOS to the card. This happened with my 3090 FTW3 Ultra when I first installed it.


Precision x1 updates the mcu firmware on the card that controls the fans, LED lights and such but not the bios.


Thanks. It pushed a firmware update to my card and everything worked fine after that.

I read his posts on Twitter and he had Precision x1 updated, so that wasn’t the culprit.
post edited by jspataro99 - 2020/11/27 16:51:01

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon 2020/11/27 20:06:14 (permalink)
Has anyone talked to jacob about reuploading the 8hr LN2 livestream? There was some fairly interesting bits in there regarding this card. Both the GN hosted and EVGA hosted videos vanished from yt. Steve isn't sure why theirs was removed, according to his tweet.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon 2020/11/27 20:10:22 (permalink)
Literally created an account just to have a chance at this
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon 2020/11/27 20:23:51 (permalink)
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Has anyone talked to jacob about reuploading the 8hr LN2 livestream? There was some fairly interesting bits in there regarding this card. Both the GN hosted and EVGA hosted videos vanished from yt. Steve isn't sure why theirs was removed, according to his tweet.




I think the VOD is on Evga's Twitch. That's how I re watched the air cooling part. 

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon 2020/11/27 21:07:08 (permalink)
thanks man!
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon 2020/11/28 04:06:12 (permalink)
Thank you very much.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon 2020/11/28 04:14:53 (permalink)
Thank you very much. I will go on PC part picker. I wish I could just pick a box that would include the best of the best for my build. I don’t enjoy the research myself, but it’s something that must be done. Lol
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon 2020/11/28 04:47:58 (permalink)
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It has Arrived.

Wow!!!!!! You are so lucky!!! Congrats!!! I hope you post your beast build ASAP!!!! You going with 10900k?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon 2020/11/28 06:14:27 (permalink)
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It has Arrived.

Wow!!!!!! You are so lucky!!! Congrats!!! I hope you post your beast build ASAP!!!! You going with 10900k?

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon 2020/11/28 07:13:50 (permalink)
How much power ? after Fix.  Any bench marks.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon 2020/11/28 09:56:27 (permalink)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon 2020/11/28 10:52:02 (permalink)
Okay so I believe I already know the answer to this question but on the 8 hour 3090 Kingpin stream (which on a side note was amazing thanks EVGA-how cool it was to have Vince give all the tips and tricks to two great overclockers I loved every minute of it!) Jayztwocents said he though you would need a 1600 watt power supply for this card. I have a corsair HX1200 and I think this will be enough but I don’t want to be wrong. Am I good with this power supply or do I need to upgrade. Side note I will be liquid cooling this card most likely no LN2 unless SparetimePC teaches me how some day then I may.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon 2020/11/28 11:08:25 (permalink)
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Okay so I believe I already know the answer to this question but on the 8 hour 3090 Kingpin stream (which on a side note was amazing thanks EVGA-how cool it was to have Vince give all the tips and tricks to two great overclockers I loved every minute of it!) Jayztwocents said he though you would need a 1600 watt power supply for this card. I have a corsair HX1200 and I think this will be enough but I don’t want to be wrong. Am I good with this power supply or do I need to upgrade. Side note I will be liquid cooling this card most likely no LN2 unless SparetimePC teaches me how some day then I may.


I recall from that same stream that it was suggested that you would only need 1600 watts if you are using two Kingpins in SLI or *possibly* if you are using one Kingpin for XOC on LN2. Otherwise you won’t need 1600 watts for a single Kingpin hybrid. I have a 1300 watt PSU and that is also overkill for one Kingpin hybrid. They were hitting GPU power limits of 650-700 watts on one Kingpin under LN2. According to what Steve from GamersNexus said on his recap stream about the behavior of these cards under that much power, you likely won’t reach these power limits on water cooling, so I think you’ll be more than fine with 1200 watts with a single Kingpin hybrid.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon 2020/11/28 11:32:04 (permalink)
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Okay so I believe I already know the answer to this question but on the 8 hour 3090 Kingpin stream (which on a side note was amazing thanks EVGA-how cool it was to have Vince give all the tips and tricks to two great overclockers I loved every minute of it!) Jayztwocents said he though you would need a 1600 watt power supply for this card. I have a corsair HX1200 and I think this will be enough but I don’t want to be wrong. Am I good with this power supply or do I need to upgrade. Side note I will be liquid cooling this card most likely no LN2 unless SparetimePC teaches me how some day then I may.


I recall from that same stream that it was suggested that you would only need 1600 watts if you are using two Kingpins in SLI or *possibly* if you are using one Kingpin for XOC on LN2. Otherwise you won’t need 1600 watts for a single Kingpin hybrid. I have a 1300 watt PSU and that is also overkill for one Kingpin hybrid. They were hitting GPU power limits of 650-700 watts on one Kingpin under LN2. According to what Steve from GamersNexus said on his recap stream about the behavior of these cards under that much power, you likely won’t reach these power limits on water cooling, so I think you’ll be more than fine with 1200 watts with a single Kingpin hybrid.


 Jay made a remark in his livestream yesterday he was pulling about 640W under one of his LN2 runs. You won't(or shouldn't) see anything that high on air/CLC. 1200W PSU should work out well 

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon 2020/11/28 12:17:01 (permalink)
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Okay so I believe I already know the answer to this question but on the 8 hour 3090 Kingpin stream (which on a side note was amazing thanks EVGA-how cool it was to have Vince give all the tips and tricks to two great overclockers I loved every minute of it!) Jayztwocents said he though you would need a 1600 watt power supply for this card. I have a corsair HX1200 and I think this will be enough but I don’t want to be wrong. Am I good with this power supply or do I need to upgrade. Side note I will be liquid cooling this card most likely no LN2 unless SparetimePC teaches me how some day then I may.


Well thanks for the kinda shout-out in your post fuzzy, I'm afraid ln2 is outa my league and will probably never be trying it, things are kinda tough for me right now fighting stage 3 cancer and alot of chemo going on so I don't get to play overclock guy like I used to. Also alot of thanks to people who have made purchases with my associates code in the last few weeks. Game on everyone and overclock away.




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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon 2020/11/28 12:18:09 (permalink)
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Okay so I believe I already know the answer to this question but on the 8 hour 3090 Kingpin stream (which on a side note was amazing thanks EVGA-how cool it was to have Vince give all the tips and tricks to two great overclockers I loved every minute of it!) Jayztwocents said he though you would need a 1600 watt power supply for this card. I have a corsair HX1200 and I think this will be enough but I don’t want to be wrong. Am I good with this power supply or do I need to upgrade. Side note I will be liquid cooling this card most likely no LN2 unless SparetimePC teaches me how some day then I may.


I recall from that same stream that it was suggested that you would only need 1600 watts if you are using two Kingpins in SLI or *possibly* if you are using one Kingpin for XOC on LN2. Otherwise you won’t need 1600 watts for a single Kingpin hybrid. I have a 1300 watt PSU and that is also overkill for one Kingpin hybrid. They were hitting GPU power limits of 650-700 watts on one Kingpin under LN2. According to what Steve from GamersNexus said on his recap stream about the behavior of these cards under that much power, you likely won’t reach these power limits on water cooling, so I think you’ll be more than fine with 1200 watts with a single Kingpin hybrid.


Jay made a remark in his livestream yesterday he was pulling about 640W under one of his LN2 runs. You won't(or shouldn't) see anything that high on air/CLC. 1200W PSU should work out well 




You are correct I just wanted to make sure. Here’s another thing they did in the stream that has me thinking. Jay used a 10900K chip and Steve used a 10900kf. Kingpin also used a 10900kf to get his record. Do Vince and Steve know something the rest of us don’t?

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon 2020/11/28 13:36:34 (permalink)
Would paring this with a 5950x or 10900k be better
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon 2020/11/28 13:57:57 (permalink)
I would pair with a top end CPU.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon 2020/11/28 14:26:35 (permalink)
I’ll be using mine with my current 9900KS at 5.3 GHz all cores. Should be fast enough for now.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon 2020/11/28 14:31:47 (permalink)
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Jay made a remark in his livestream yesterday he was pulling about 640W under one of his LN2 runs. You won't(or shouldn't) see anything that high on air/CLC. 1200W PSU should work out well 

640w sustained? Port royal only? I’ve had spikes to 600w on a 2080 ti kingpin just using the stock aio when running time spy extreme.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon 2020/11/28 14:50:07 (permalink)
Only port royal, yea. I strongly suspect we will easily pull over 1k on TSE with v offsets on all 3 rails. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon 2020/11/28 17:24:50 (permalink)
Can’t wait for the kingpin hydrocopper
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon 2020/11/28 17:48:14 (permalink)
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Can’t wait for the kingpin hydrocopper

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon 2020/11/28 19:19:09 (permalink)
Back to my original question. Jay used a 10900K chip and Steve used a 10900KF. Kingpin also used a 10900KF to get his record. Do Vince and Steve know something the rest of us don’t? I need to upgrade my CPU and I'm trying to decide between the 5950x and the 10900k or 10900KF. I currently have a 9900KF that runs a stable 5.1 and 5.2 not so stable. In the stream Jay said he and Steve were given 10900K's that Intel told them both that they could run 5.70. Is this possibly a new version of the 10900K is coming out such as a 10900KS maybe? Also does anyone know if the new intel rocket lake chip 11900k will be compatible with the Z490 motherboards or heard any rumors on this? If I go the intel route I will definitely buy the ZZ490 Dark Kingpin edition. Advice is greatly appreciated as this new Kingpin card deserves only the best! Plus I would like an advantage when getting back in the overclocking rankings.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon 2020/11/28 20:05:09 (permalink)
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Back to my original question. Jay used a 10900K chip and Steve used a 10900KF. Kingpin also used a 10900KF to get his record. Do Vince and Steve know something the rest of us don’t? I need to upgrade my CPU and I'm trying to decide between the 5950x and the 10900k or 10900KF. I currently have a 9900KF that runs a stable 5.1 and 5.2 not so stable. In the stream Jay said he and Steve were given 10900K's that Intel told them both that they could run 5.70. Is this possibly a new version of the 10900K is coming out such as a 10900KS maybe? Also does anyone know if the new intel rocket lake chip 11900k will be compatible with the Z490 motherboards or heard any rumors on this? If I go the intel route I will definitely buy the ZZ490 Dark Kingpin edition. Advice is greatly appreciated as this new Kingpin card deserves only the best! Plus I would like an advantage when getting back in the overclocking rankings.


CPU doesn't matter for Port Royal. You may see a few (literally a few) more points with a 10900k due to better memory overclocking. There was a guy on the 3090 thread on overclock.net who complained his Port Royal scores dropped after "upgrading" to a 5950x from Intel. However, the 5950x has a massive advantage in any bench where the CPU matters like Firestrike and Time Spy.
 
It's unlikely that any new 10th gen CPUs will be released. The 10900KS version is statistically better than the 10900K based on Silicon Lottery: Historical Binning Statistics – Silicon Lottery. It is 3% more likely to hit 5.1 ghz and 1% more likely to hit 5.2ghz. However, you could buy a 10900KS that ends up at 5.1ghz just like your 9900K.
 
11th gen Intel should be compatible with Z490, but its not confirmed whether PCIE 4.0 will work.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon 2020/11/28 21:01:03 (permalink)
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Back to my original question. Jay used a 10900K chip and Steve used a 10900KF. Kingpin also used a 10900KF to get his record. Do Vince and Steve know something the rest of us don’t? I need to upgrade my CPU and I'm trying to decide between the 5950x and the 10900k or 10900KF. I currently have a 9900KF that runs a stable 5.1 and 5.2 not so stable. In the stream Jay said he and Steve were given 10900K's that Intel told them both that they could run 5.70. Is this possibly a new version of the 10900K is coming out such as a 10900KS maybe? Also does anyone know if the new intel rocket lake chip 11900k will be compatible with the Z490 motherboards or heard any rumors on this? If I go the intel route I will definitely buy the ZZ490 Dark Kingpin edition. Advice is greatly appreciated as this new Kingpin card deserves only the best! Plus I would like an advantage when getting back in the overclocking rankings.


CPU doesn't matter for Port Royal. You may see a few (literally a few) more points with a 10900k due to better memory overclocking. There was a guy on the 3090 thread on overclock.net who complained his Port Royal scores dropped after "upgrading" to a 5950x from Intel. However, the 5950x has a massive advantage in any bench where the CPU matters like Firestrike and Time Spy.
 
It's unlikely that any new 10th gen CPUs will be released. The 10900KS version is statistically better than the 10900K based on Silicon Lottery: Historical Binning Statistics – Silicon Lottery. It is 3% more likely to hit 5.1 ghz and 1% more likely to hit 5.2ghz. However, you could buy a 10900KS that ends up at 5.1ghz just like your 9900K.
 
11th gen Intel should be compatible with Z490, but its not confirmed whether PCIE 4.0 will work.




That's another concern as I know Rocket Lake will be out in a few months and I do not want to keep having to buy new motherboards. I cannot find a Z490 motherboard with PCIe 4.0. Even the z490 Kingpin is a PCIe 3.0. Gamers Nexus says 3.0-4.0 makes no difference as the Graphics cards can't use the bandwith of the 3.0 yet, but will Rocket Lake require a Z490 motherboard with PCIe 4.0 to work? 

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon 2020/11/28 21:21:09 (permalink)
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Back to my original question. Jay used a 10900K chip and Steve used a 10900KF. Kingpin also used a 10900KF to get his record. Do Vince and Steve know something the rest of us don’t? I need to upgrade my CPU and I'm trying to decide between the 5950x and the 10900k or 10900KF. I currently have a 9900KF that runs a stable 5.1 and 5.2 not so stable. In the stream Jay said he and Steve were given 10900K's that Intel told them both that they could run 5.70. Is this possibly a new version of the 10900K is coming out such as a 10900KS maybe? Also does anyone know if the new intel rocket lake chip 11900k will be compatible with the Z490 motherboards or heard any rumors on this? If I go the intel route I will definitely buy the ZZ490 Dark Kingpin edition. Advice is greatly appreciated as this new Kingpin card deserves only the best! Plus I would like an advantage when getting back in the overclocking rankings.


CPU doesn't matter for Port Royal. You may see a few (literally a few) more points with a 10900k due to better memory overclocking. There was a guy on the 3090 thread on overclock.net who complained his Port Royal scores dropped after "upgrading" to a 5950x from Intel. However, the 5950x has a massive advantage in any bench where the CPU matters like Firestrike and Time Spy.
 
It's unlikely that any new 10th gen CPUs will be released. The 10900KS version is statistically better than the 10900K based on Silicon Lottery: Historical Binning Statistics – Silicon Lottery. It is 3% more likely to hit 5.1 ghz and 1% more likely to hit 5.2ghz. However, you could buy a 10900KS that ends up at 5.1ghz just like your 9900K.
 
11th gen Intel should be compatible with Z490, but its not confirmed whether PCIE 4.0 will work.




That's another concern as I know Rocket Lake will be out in a few months and I do not want to keep having to buy new motherboards. I cannot find a Z490 motherboard with PCIe 4.0. Even the z490 Kingpin is a PCIe 3.0. Gamers Nexus says 3.0-4.0 makes no difference as the Graphics cards can't use the bandwith of the 3.0 yet, but will Rocket Lake require a Z490 motherboard with PCIe 4.0 to work? 



It has been confirmed Rocket Lake (Intel 11th Gen) WILL be LGA 1200 on the Z490 chipset and possibly a new Z590 chipset (also Intel's final 14nm chip). What has not been confirmed (but expected) is that it will support PCIe 4. My Z490 MSI MEG Z490 ACE supports PCIe 4, just need the CPU that supports it as well. ( waiting myself for Rocket Lake)

Alder Lake (12th Gen) followed by Meteor Lake (13th Gen) will be LGA 1700 on a new chipset as the CPU's will grow in size.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon 2020/11/28 21:24:32 (permalink)
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Back to my original question. Jay used a 10900K chip and Steve used a 10900KF. Kingpin also used a 10900KF to get his record. Do Vince and Steve know something the rest of us don’t? I need to upgrade my CPU and I'm trying to decide between the 5950x and the 10900k or 10900KF. I currently have a 9900KF that runs a stable 5.1 and 5.2 not so stable. In the stream Jay said he and Steve were given 10900K's that Intel told them both that they could run 5.70. Is this possibly a new version of the 10900K is coming out such as a 10900KS maybe? Also does anyone know if the new intel rocket lake chip 11900k will be compatible with the Z490 motherboards or heard any rumors on this? If I go the intel route I will definitely buy the ZZ490 Dark Kingpin edition. Advice is greatly appreciated as this new Kingpin card deserves only the best! Plus I would like an advantage when getting back in the overclocking rankings.


CPU doesn't matter for Port Royal. You may see a few (literally a few) more points with a 10900k due to better memory overclocking. There was a guy on the 3090 thread on overclock.net who complained his Port Royal scores dropped after "upgrading" to a 5950x from Intel. However, the 5950x has a massive advantage in any bench where the CPU matters like Firestrike and Time Spy.
 
It's unlikely that any new 10th gen CPUs will be released. The 10900KS version is statistically better than the 10900K based on Silicon Lottery: Historical Binning Statistics – Silicon Lottery. It is 3% more likely to hit 5.1 ghz and 1% more likely to hit 5.2ghz. However, you could buy a 10900KS that ends up at 5.1ghz just like your 9900K.
 
11th gen Intel should be compatible with Z490, but its not confirmed whether PCIE 4.0 will work.




 but will Rocket Lake require a Z490 motherboard with PCIe 4.0 to work? 


Nobody knows anything for certain about Z490 PCIe compatibility with Rocket Lake.
 
You have nothing to benefit from upgrading from a 9900KF to a 10900K(S). The 10900K will not give you a higher PR score. Both the 10900K and 9900K are obliterated by high core count CPUs in Firestrike and Timespy. Rocket Lake will have up to 8 cores, so it will also be obliterated. The only benefit to Rocket Lake is that it might end up being better than the 5950x for gaming.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon 2020/11/28 21:50:04 (permalink)
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Back to my original question. Jay used a 10900K chip and Steve used a 10900KF. Kingpin also used a 10900KF to get his record. Do Vince and Steve know something the rest of us don’t? I need to upgrade my CPU and I'm trying to decide between the 5950x and the 10900k or 10900KF. I currently have a 9900KF that runs a stable 5.1 and 5.2 not so stable. In the stream Jay said he and Steve were given 10900K's that Intel told them both that they could run 5.70. Is this possibly a new version of the 10900K is coming out such as a 10900KS maybe? Also does anyone know if the new intel rocket lake chip 11900k will be compatible with the Z490 motherboards or heard any rumors on this? If I go the intel route I will definitely buy the ZZ490 Dark Kingpin edition. Advice is greatly appreciated as this new Kingpin card deserves only the best! Plus I would like an advantage when getting back in the overclocking rankings.


CPU doesn't matter for Port Royal. You may see a few (literally a few) more points with a 10900k due to better memory overclocking. There was a guy on the 3090 thread on overclock.net who complained his Port Royal scores dropped after "upgrading" to a 5950x from Intel. However, the 5950x has a massive advantage in any bench where the CPU matters like Firestrike and Time Spy.
 
It's unlikely that any new 10th gen CPUs will be released. The 10900KS version is statistically better than the 10900K based on Silicon Lottery: Historical Binning Statistics – Silicon Lottery. It is 3% more likely to hit 5.1 ghz and 1% more likely to hit 5.2ghz. However, you could buy a 10900KS that ends up at 5.1ghz just like your 9900K.
 
11th gen Intel should be compatible with Z490, but its not confirmed whether PCIE 4.0 will work.




That's another concern as I know Rocket Lake will be out in a few months and I do not want to keep having to buy new motherboards. I cannot find a Z490 motherboard with PCIe 4.0. Even the z490 Kingpin is a PCIe 3.0. Gamers Nexus says 3.0-4.0 makes no difference as the Graphics cards can't use the bandwith of the 3.0 yet, but will Rocket Lake require a Z490 motherboard with PCIe 4.0 to work? 



It has been confirmed Rocket Lake (Intel 11th Gen) WILL be LGA 1200 on the Z490 chipset and possibly a new Z590 chipset (also Intel's final 14nm chip). What has not been confirmed (but expected) is that it will support PCIe 4. My Z490 MSI MEG Z490 ACE supports PCIe 4, just need the CPU that supports it as well. ( waiting myself for Rocket Lake)

Alder Lake (12th Gen) followed by Meteor Lake (13th Gen) will be LGA 1700 on a new chipset as the CPU's will grow in size.


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Back to my original question. Jay used a 10900K chip and Steve used a 10900KF. Kingpin also used a 10900KF to get his record. Do Vince and Steve know something the rest of us don’t? I need to upgrade my CPU and I'm trying to decide between the 5950x and the 10900k or 10900KF. I currently have a 9900KF that runs a stable 5.1 and 5.2 not so stable. In the stream Jay said he and Steve were given 10900K's that Intel told them both that they could run 5.70. Is this possibly a new version of the 10900K is coming out such as a 10900KS maybe? Also does anyone know if the new intel rocket lake chip 11900k will be compatible with the Z490 motherboards or heard any rumors on this? If I go the intel route I will definitely buy the ZZ490 Dark Kingpin edition. Advice is greatly appreciated as this new Kingpin card deserves only the best! Plus I would like an advantage when getting back in the overclocking rankings.


CPU doesn't matter for Port Royal. You may see a few (literally a few) more points with a 10900k due to better memory overclocking. There was a guy on the 3090 thread on overclock.net who complained his Port Royal scores dropped after "upgrading" to a 5950x from Intel. However, the 5950x has a massive advantage in any bench where the CPU matters like Firestrike and Time Spy.
 
It's unlikely that any new 10th gen CPUs will be released. The 10900KS version is statistically better than the 10900K based on Silicon Lottery: Historical Binning Statistics – Silicon Lottery. It is 3% more likely to hit 5.1 ghz and 1% more likely to hit 5.2ghz. However, you could buy a 10900KS that ends up at 5.1ghz just like your 9900K.
 
11th gen Intel should be compatible with Z490, but its not confirmed whether PCIE 4.0 will work.




That's another concern as I know Rocket Lake will be out in a few months and I do not want to keep having to buy new motherboards. I cannot find a Z490 motherboard with PCIe 4.0. Even the z490 Kingpin is a PCIe 3.0. Gamers Nexus says 3.0-4.0 makes no difference as the Graphics cards can't use the bandwith of the 3.0 yet, but will Rocket Lake require a Z490 motherboard with PCIe 4.0 to work? 



It has been confirmed Rocket Lake (Intel 11th Gen) WILL be LGA 1200 on the Z490 chipset and possibly a new Z590 chipset (also Intel's final 14nm chip). What has not been confirmed (but expected) is that it will support PCIe 4. My Z490 MSI MEG Z490 ACE supports PCIe 4, just need the CPU that supports it as well. ( waiting myself for Rocket Lake)

Alder Lake (12th Gen) followed by Meteor Lake (13th Gen) will be LGA 1700 on a new chipset as the CPU's will grow in size.



So I have the MSI z390 ACE currently and like it but when I checked out the specs page for the z490 it said 3.0
https://us.msi.com/Motherboard/MEG-Z490-ACE/Specification
Is this the same for many z490's where they list 3.0 but have the capability to run 4.0 and if so how do I determine this? Is this true of the Z490 Dark Kingpin also?

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Coming soon 2020/11/28 21:52:23 (permalink)
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Back to my original question. Jay used a 10900K chip and Steve used a 10900KF. Kingpin also used a 10900KF to get his record. Do Vince and Steve know something the rest of us don’t? I need to upgrade my CPU and I'm trying to decide between the 5950x and the 10900k or 10900KF. I currently have a 9900KF that runs a stable 5.1 and 5.2 not so stable. In the stream Jay said he and Steve were given 10900K's that Intel told them both that they could run 5.70. Is this possibly a new version of the 10900K is coming out such as a 10900KS maybe? Also does anyone know if the new intel rocket lake chip 11900k will be compatible with the Z490 motherboards or heard any rumors on this? If I go the intel route I will definitely buy the ZZ490 Dark Kingpin edition. Advice is greatly appreciated as this new Kingpin card deserves only the best! Plus I would like an advantage when getting back in the overclocking rankings.


CPU doesn't matter for Port Royal. You may see a few (literally a few) more points with a 10900k due to better memory overclocking. There was a guy on the 3090 thread on overclock.net who complained his Port Royal scores dropped after "upgrading" to a 5950x from Intel. However, the 5950x has a massive advantage in any bench where the CPU matters like Firestrike and Time Spy.
 
It's unlikely that any new 10th gen CPUs will be released. The 10900KS version is statistically better than the 10900K based on Silicon Lottery: Historical Binning Statistics – Silicon Lottery. It is 3% more likely to hit 5.1 ghz and 1% more likely to hit 5.2ghz. However, you could buy a 10900KS that ends up at 5.1ghz just like your 9900K.
 
11th gen Intel should be compatible with Z490, but its not confirmed whether PCIE 4.0 will work.




 but will Rocket Lake require a Z490 motherboard with PCIe 4.0 to work? 


Nobody knows anything for certain about Z490 PCIe compatibility with Rocket Lake.
 
You have nothing to benefit from upgrading from a 9900KF to a 10900K(S). The 10900K will not give you a higher PR score. Both the 10900K and 9900K are obliterated by high core count CPUs in Firestrike and Timespy. Rocket Lake will have up to 8 cores, so it will also be obliterated. The only benefit to Rocket Lake is that it might end up being better than the 5950x for gaming.


It almost sounds like I'm better off getting the 5950x but will the AMD motherboards have the same memory overclocking abilities as the Z490 boards do? I hear memory overclocking makes a big difference in Port Royale scores and the Timespy/CPU benchmarks also.

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