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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 19:40:23
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Yup, just checked. My card is Chinese, the bios doesn't work with my unit.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 19:51:34
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My buddy has a Taiwan board and pushes 500w just fine.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 19:56:05
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Yea there's definitely something going on the PCB side but I don't know. There's just not enough data though and without a Chinese PCB board shot, this feels like shooting in the dark.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 19:58:19
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Notchy44
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Notchy44
GNielson
Has anyone in the US gotten a Chinese 2012 board, or are they all 2014 Taiwan boards?
Im in the Us and mine is the Chinese board. 3rd card came in and was also a Chinese board, 0 issues with the 500w bios once again
Port royal or time spy extreme run plz?
I have posted plenty of pics and videos already but here is a video once again lol
youtube.com/watch?v=0M8A9YPXHLM&ab_channel=MrNotchy444
ya and i was able to pull the same draw a few times (but that's not really the point), i'm asking for either a tse or pr run to compare as a baseline with a "non proper functioning" board i.e just do a run with max voltage / power without any offsets? at least a base line would confirm something for me not asking for a vid, just sample score(s)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 20:36:45
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drunknfoo
Notchy44
drunknfoo
Notchy44
GNielson
Has anyone in the US gotten a Chinese 2012 board, or are they all 2014 Taiwan boards?
Im in the Us and mine is the Chinese board. 3rd card came in and was also a Chinese board, 0 issues with the 500w bios once again
Port royal or time spy extreme run plz?
I have posted plenty of pics and videos already but here is a video once again lol
youtube.com/watch?v=0M8A9YPXHLM&ab_channel=MrNotchy444
ya and i was able to pull the same draw a few times (but that's not really the point), i'm asking for either a tse or pr run to compare as a baseline with a "non proper functioning" board
i.e just do a run with max voltage / power without any offsets? at least a base line would confirm something for me
not asking for a vid, just sample score(s)
Best I did was timespy extreme 11565 on my 3090ftw3 ultra most now are in the 112-300 range
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 20:42:21
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drunknfoo
Notchy44
drunknfoo
Notchy44
GNielson
Has anyone in the US gotten a Chinese 2012 board, or are they all 2014 Taiwan boards?
Im in the Us and mine is the Chinese board. 3rd card came in and was also a Chinese board, 0 issues with the 500w bios once again
Port royal or time spy extreme run plz?
I have posted plenty of pics and videos already but here is a video once again lol
youtube.com/watch?v=0M8A9YPXHLM&ab_channel=MrNotchy444
ya and i was able to pull the same draw a few times (but that's not really the point), i'm asking for either a tse or pr run to compare as a baseline with a "non proper functioning" board
i.e just do a run with max voltage / power without any offsets? at least a base line would confirm something for me
not asking for a vid, just sample score(s)
no real point in running it at stock as this bios is meant for OC but ill link my TSE and PR numbers for you with the OC on. +198 core +1100 Mem 3dmark.com/spy/15393760 3dmark.com/pr/514652
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 20:43:27
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My experience with this 500w is that it's underwhelming. pulls about 480W during different loads (never seen 500W in GPU-Z) but the bigger concern is that the card runs much hotter (not sure if the fan profiles are modified in this BIOS?) and that causes thermal throttling. My FE 3090 runs much cooler under load. I just flashed the original 3090 FTW3 Ultra BIOS - going to stick with that - the OC was basically the same: +150 on the core and +1000 on the mem - the original BIOS max TDP is 450W so the card ran cooler and hence I had higher average clocks.
In summary, higher power draw != better performance.
This 500w BIOS is proof of that.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 21:13:59
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Has anyone in the US gotten a Chinese 2012 board, or are they all 2014 Taiwan boards?
Im in the Us and mine is the Chinese board. 3rd card came in and was also a Chinese board, 0 issues with the 500w bios once again
How do you check for Chinese vs Taiwanese? The sticker on the backplate?
Never mind. My board is made in China , the serial number starts with 2012. The 500W Bios does nothing to my card.
Have you rebooted since applying the the update? Also, it's typically good practice to run DDU after a reflash and re-install your drivers to ensure everything has taken properly. What workload did you throw at it to test? But yeah, interesting if it isn't working. Would be good to get someone other than Notchy with a confirmed Chinese board who can sustain 500w.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 21:17:33
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thebc2
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GNielson
Has anyone in the US gotten a Chinese 2012 board, or are they all 2014 Taiwan boards?
Im in the Us and mine is the Chinese board. 3rd card came in and was also a Chinese board, 0 issues with the 500w bios once again
How do you check for Chinese vs Taiwanese? The sticker on the backplate?
Never mind. My board is made in China , the serial number starts with 2012. The 500W Bios does nothing to my card.
Have you rebooted since applying the the update? Also, it's typically good practice to run DDU after a reflash and re-install your drivers to ensure everything has taken properly. What workload did you throw at it to test? But yeah, interesting if it isn't working. Would be good to get someone other than Notchy with a confirmed Chinese board who can sustain 500w.
I have 3 working china boards now lol. I think iv seen 2 or 3 others post with Chinese boards as well working. This would be the first china boards iv heard of not working.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 21:26:01
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As I suspected, board made in Taiwan. I have a question... So the cap below is running completely stock, except with XOC bios. Why am I performance capped for power when my board power draw is only 401w? Are there other known factors as to when that cap kicks in? I thought it would kick in at 450 (or 500 if the bios was working with the card as it should). But I fail to understand why I am being perf capped at well below what the stock card should be able to draw... 
post edited by whaleboy_2048 - 2020/11/22 21:30:38
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 21:26:52
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SO its the Taiwan cards that are bad? Both my defective cards are Taiwanese. Was that the whole issue that people are running into that they received Taiwanese cards that turn out to be defective?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 21:28:58
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Notchy44
thebc2
kris1111
Notchy44
GNielson
Has anyone in the US gotten a Chinese 2012 board, or are they all 2014 Taiwan boards?
Im in the Us and mine is the Chinese board. 3rd card came in and was also a Chinese board, 0 issues with the 500w bios once again
How do you check for Chinese vs Taiwanese? The sticker on the backplate?
Never mind. My board is made in China , the serial number starts with 2012. The 500W Bios does nothing to my card.
Have you rebooted since applying the the update? Also, it's typically good practice to run DDU after a reflash and re-install your drivers to ensure everything has taken properly. What workload did you throw at it to test? But yeah, interesting if it isn't working. Would be good to get someone other than Notchy with a confirmed Chinese board who can sustain 500w.
I have 3 working china boards now lol. I think iv seen 2 or 3 others post with Chinese boards as well working. This would be the first china boards iv heard of not working.
Sorry I missed them. I only saw kris1111 and nova mention it wasn't working for them, what can someone with a 2012 card do to gauge whether the bios is working for them? Aka, it would be good to give some folks here a step by step on how you've validated it on the 3 cards you have tested so they can try to reproduce your results.
post edited by thebc2 - 2020/11/22 21:33:59
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 21:54:57
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Has anyone tried flashing the XC3 BIOS onto this card? I haven't tried it but apparently it creates a bug due to being intended for a 2 power connector card resulting in a much higher actual power draw.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 22:17:42
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the xc3 gives a error reading power drawing on pcie and therfour you need to read power from the wall plug bjt it seems the power draw is increasing
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 22:22:12
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thebc2
Notchy44
thebc2
kris1111
Notchy44
GNielson
Has anyone in the US gotten a Chinese 2012 board, or are they all 2014 Taiwan boards?
Im in the Us and mine is the Chinese board. 3rd card came in and was also a Chinese board, 0 issues with the 500w bios once again
How do you check for Chinese vs Taiwanese? The sticker on the backplate?
Never mind. My board is made in China , the serial number starts with 2012. The 500W Bios does nothing to my card.
Have you rebooted since applying the the update? Also, it's typically good practice to run DDU after a reflash and re-install your drivers to ensure everything has taken properly. What workload did you throw at it to test? But yeah, interesting if it isn't working. Would be good to get someone other than Notchy with a confirmed Chinese board who can sustain 500w.
I have 3 working china boards now lol. I think iv seen 2 or 3 others post with Chinese boards as well working. This would be the first china boards iv heard of not working.
Sorry I missed them. I only saw kris1111 and nova mention it wasn't working for them, what can someone with a 2012 card do to gauge whether the bios is working for them? Aka, it would be good to give some folks here a step by step on how you've validated it on the 3 cards you have tested so they can try to reproduce your results.
pretty simple, Run furmark for 10 min and see what my avg power draw is from gpu-z. All 3 had the same 498 avg with peaks at 525ish.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 22:25:40
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Notchy44
pretty simple, Run furmark for 10 min and see what my avg power draw is from gpu-z. All 3 had the same 498 avg with peaks at 525ish.
What are your Furmark settings/res?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 22:39:56
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Here another score of mine xoc 500w "taiwan"board.* Let me mention that i check the card to normal bios too and i saw max power board about 460-470w after some benchmarks * https://www.3dmark.com/pr/523673
CASE: DISMASTECH ΒENCH TABLE CPU: Ι7-3960Χ+EK-W/C RAM: 32GB KINGSTON hyperX BEAST 2400 QUAD CH MOBO: RAMPAGE IV EXTREME PSU: THERMALTAKE 1200W GPU: EVGA GTX ΤΙΤΑΝ SLI SC EK-W/C / GTX 780Ti EVGA acx SC HDD: SSD OCZ AGILITY3+WD 2TB DRIVES: LG DVD-LG BLURAY WRITER MONITOR: DELL ULTRASHARP U2713H SPEAKERS: LOGITECH Z-5500 KEYBOARD: LOGITECH G19
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 23:08:18
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ninshoo
Taiwan rev1
https://ibb.co/12TdM1X
If can help for find a solution.
Shunt three resistor 8pin with 4 Mohm can solve the 500w? Or must doing more?
Evga doing nothing its certainly.
Ty.
Hi, anyone can post photo chineese board up to 500w please for compare. Ty
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 23:09:34
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 23:14:04
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Notchy44
drunknfoo
Notchy44
drunknfoo
Notchy44
GNielson
Has anyone in the US gotten a Chinese 2012 board, or are they all 2014 Taiwan boards?
Im in the Us and mine is the Chinese board. 3rd card came in and was also a Chinese board, 0 issues with the 500w bios once again
Port royal or time spy extreme run plz?
I have posted plenty of pics and videos already but here is a video once again lol
youtube.com/watch?v=0M8A9YPXHLM&ab_channel=MrNotchy444
ya and i was able to pull the same draw a few times (but that's not really the point), i'm asking for either a tse or pr run to compare as a baseline with a "non proper functioning" board
i.e just do a run with max voltage / power without any offsets? at least a base line would confirm something for me
not asking for a vid, just sample score(s)
no real point in running it at stock as this bios is meant for OC but ill link my TSE and PR numbers for you with the OC on.
+198 core +1100 Mem
3dmark.com/spy/15393760
3dmark.com/pr/514652
Sure there is, cause with the xc3 bios and without shunts my score ended up being higher... And ambient? Granted my ram clocked higher as well, it wont make up the diff in score...
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 23:15:24
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Epsilon1190
Here another score of mine xoc 500w "taiwan"board.*
Let me mention that i check the card to normal bios too and i saw max power board about 460-470w after some benchmarks
* https://www.3dmark.com/pr/523673
OC'd? PX1 or AB? settings? please... thanks
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 23:21:11
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Oc of course and AB +150 core +1100 memory Pl max and also voltage max.After the pr bench i reach max power of 510w like 8k superposition You welcome 😉
post edited by Epsilon1190 - 2020/11/22 23:24:41
CASE: DISMASTECH ΒENCH TABLE CPU: Ι7-3960Χ+EK-W/C RAM: 32GB KINGSTON hyperX BEAST 2400 QUAD CH MOBO: RAMPAGE IV EXTREME PSU: THERMALTAKE 1200W GPU: EVGA GTX ΤΙΤΑΝ SLI SC EK-W/C / GTX 780Ti EVGA acx SC HDD: SSD OCZ AGILITY3+WD 2TB DRIVES: LG DVD-LG BLURAY WRITER MONITOR: DELL ULTRASHARP U2713H SPEAKERS: LOGITECH Z-5500 KEYBOARD: LOGITECH G19
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 23:44:39
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Epsilon1190
Oc of course and AB +150 core +1100 memory
Pl max and also voltage max.After the pr bench i reach max power of 510w like 8k superposition
You welcome 😉
I've never been able to hit 14k. I can't get through the run with your settings, closest I got was +150 core, +750 mem, all other settings same as you (fans at 100) in Afterburner. This is with XOC bios. My avg power draw during the run averaged only 430, with power limit engaged (of course :-\ ) https://www.3dmark.com/pr/532161
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 23:51:52
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I think 430w Holding you back cause your low average clocks.
Another thing I think is the 3900x cause the pr bench is 1440p.
Try to oc your cpu a bit or your ram to see if you can improve your score.
CASE: DISMASTECH ΒENCH TABLE CPU: Ι7-3960Χ+EK-W/C RAM: 32GB KINGSTON hyperX BEAST 2400 QUAD CH MOBO: RAMPAGE IV EXTREME PSU: THERMALTAKE 1200W GPU: EVGA GTX ΤΙΤΑΝ SLI SC EK-W/C / GTX 780Ti EVGA acx SC HDD: SSD OCZ AGILITY3+WD 2TB DRIVES: LG DVD-LG BLURAY WRITER MONITOR: DELL ULTRASHARP U2713H SPEAKERS: LOGITECH Z-5500 KEYBOARD: LOGITECH G19
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/23 00:08:51
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Epsilon1190
I think 430w Holding you back cause your low average clocks.
Another thing I think is the 3900x cause the pr bench is 1440p.
Try to oc your cpu a bit or your ram to see if you can improve your score.
PR is supposed to be GPU only, with CPU having very little effect. Supposedly. But yeah, the fact that I am stuck at 430 is holding my clocks back for sure.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/23 00:30:07
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Epsilon1190
I think 430w Holding you back cause your low average clocks.
Another thing I think is the 3900x cause the pr bench is 1440p.
Try to oc your cpu a bit or your ram to see if you can improve your score.
I hit 14602 with the same cpu and my ram is slow AF at 3200 C16. I think his problem is hes using duel stacked ram with only 2 sticks. getting 2 more sticks will increase your score a crap ton
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/23 00:35:21
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Is there a correlation between card failure and board country of origin? Or is this just an issue with the BIOS not working properly on certain boards? Nothing from EVGA about it yet? I'm sure they can make another version of the BIOS for those cards.
They may not have enough info to make any type of official statement. I'm sure they need all their ducks in a row before anything is said. They were the 1st to address the cap issue/complaint/concern. Don't see why they would not say something here.
Unless.....Nvidia is involved. Hope you guys get this sorted out. I have a Strix in the box and am on the list for Kingpin. Not sure what to do now.... I know the KP is a custom PCB and probably has received the most testing.
I honestly blame Nvidia for most of this.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/23 00:36:32
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Epsilon1190
I think 430w Holding you back cause your low average clocks.
Another thing I think is the 3900x cause the pr bench is 1440p.
Try to oc your cpu a bit or your ram to see if you can improve your score.
I hit 14602 with the same cpu and my ram is slow AF at 3200 C16. I think his problem is hes using duel stacked ram with only 2 sticks. getting 2 more sticks will increase your score a crap ton
I think my main problem is that my card won't pull more than 430 watts. Regarding system ram, the research I did back when I switched to AMD was that 2 sticks was better than 4 for the Ryzen 3k series cpu's. Apparently that may not be the case for the new 5k series though...
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/23 00:38:50
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its the same for intel and AMD for any case. 4 sticks of single stack will net u the lowest latency. Doesnt have to be just a 5000 series.
post edited by Notchy44 - 2020/11/23 11:22:35
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/23 04:22:08
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Epsilon1190
I think 430w Holding you back cause your low average clocks.
Another thing I think is the 3900x cause the pr bench is 1440p.
Try to oc your cpu a bit or your ram to see if you can improve your score.
I hit 14602 with the same cpu and my ram is slow AF at 3200 C16. I think his problem is hes using duel stacked ram with only 2 sticks. getting 2 more sticks will increase your score a crap ton
Are you sure you are not confusing dual stack and dual channel? "Dual" stacked RAM has no bearing on speeds like that. It is merely considered a bad choice for heat dissipation when installing modules side by side. Now if you are talking about "dual" channel, then yes that can be an issue, but you can still achieve dual channel with just two sticks of RAM in the correct DIMM slots.
post edited by Turbo-12R - 2020/11/23 05:59:09
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