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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/24 10:25:48
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I haven't been able to install and play with my 3090 yet but for those wanting a look at the PCB here is what EKWB has up in their compatibility files: 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/24 10:47:06
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jlongmore22
2014 card here. I tried the XOC BIOS a week back and had no luck getting past 450w so I reflashed back to stock BIOS. Flashed back to XOC today and set the power limit to 100% in Precision and applied it then set it back to 119% and applied and ran the same tests I had before. The card is now going up to 500w but is consistently sitting around the 485w. No other changes have been made. I'm not sure what to make of this but thought I would share the information.
I tried that before I sent my card for rma. Setting pl to 100 then back to 119 as I had heard from one other person it may help. It didn’t. 20141 rev .1 edit: typo
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/24 10:58:24
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I believe other brand didnt have hole on the pcb then the fan cant really cool the backplate like we see on the ftw3. Maybe the back memory of other brand run hotter then us.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/24 13:05:18
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jlongmore22
2014 card here. I tried the XOC BIOS a week back and had no luck getting past 450w so I reflashed back to stock BIOS. Flashed back to XOC today and set the power limit to 100% in Precision and applied it then set it back to 119% and applied and ran the same tests I had before. The card is now going up to 500w but is consistently sitting around the 485w. No other changes have been made. I'm not sure what to make of this but thought I would share the information.
Can u share exact steps in order, what u did.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/24 13:44:30
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whats up with the markings next to the gpu core?
The most common i see is purple
mine is black.
Think it's how they separate gpu bins?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/24 14:00:21
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whats up with the markings next to the gpu core?
The most common i see is purple
mine is black.
Think it's how they separate gpu bins?
https://youtu.be/mX1spw5_IX0?t=1200 QC check at the factory. Mentioned around 19 minutes in if you want to watch the discovery and call.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/24 15:33:34
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Found something interesting by running Kombustor (settings : MSI 01, 2K resolution, stress test, set tessellation to x32), if u set Core clock offset to negative values ( -65mhz) your power draw goes up from 420-440W to 460-470W. u also gain 1FPS. Looks like the voltage boost table is messed up. By running Lower clock the card doesnt undervolt and is running 1000mv+ all the way.
I didn't see this trying to replicate with X1.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/24 15:46:59
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slovak_killer
Found something interesting by running Kombustor (settings : MSI 01, 2K resolution, stress test, set tessellation to x32), if u set Core clock offset to negative values ( -65mhz) your power draw goes up from 420-440W to 460-470W. u also gain 1FPS. Looks like the voltage boost table is messed up. By running Lower clock the card doesnt undervolt and is running 1000mv+ all the way.
I didn't see this trying to replicate with X1.
Me and some guys from my discord managed to replicate this, ok thanks for info then.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/24 15:54:27
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There are ways to test this.
1) Underclock the memory as far as reasonable. Try -500 mhz on the memory.
Then increase the power limit as high as possible and see if you can exceed 450W now.
if FBVDD actually responds to memory, it should be possible to reach 470-480W this way.
2) check FBVDD at lower power limits and lower memory settings then increase the power limit and check where FVBDD is when you start getting hard throttled.
I tried this. I do see MVDDC drop about 4w (with -1000) to a total of around 71w, from 75w. Running Kombuster MSI-01 burn in to test. My normalized and actual TDP are usually close to each other, within a few percent.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/24 16:12:14
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jlongmore22
2014 card here. I tried the XOC BIOS a week back and had no luck getting past 450w so I reflashed back to stock BIOS. Flashed back to XOC today and set the power limit to 100% in Precision and applied it then set it back to 119% and applied and ran the same tests I had before. The card is now going up to 500w but is consistently sitting around the 485w. No other changes have been made. I'm not sure what to make of this but thought I would share the information.
I also have a 2014 model. If I set to 119% and nothing else, I get 486-493w in time spy extreme. As soon as I do any overclocking whatsoever my max board power goes down to 450-460w at most. It seems that the more I overclock the lower the power draw is. The scores go up but I max out at about 2100 mhz. On the 450w bios I can get up to 2145 mhz and get higher scores.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/24 16:45:54
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Well, this is interesting. I just got my replacement card today after my first 2014 serial pooed the bed. I'm getting about the exact same power draws as I did the previous card. 454 max is all i can pull on the XOC bios. Takes longer to get there than it did on the original BIOS just like the first
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/24 16:53:31
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Well, this is interesting. I just got my replacement card today after my first 2014 serial pooed the bed. I'm getting about the exact same power draws as I did the previous card. 454 max is all i can pull on the XOC bios. Takes longer to get there than it did on the original BIOS just like the first
10900k on a Maximus XII Forumula
Corsair 1200i PSU.
Is your card 2014 or 2012? I will say before my card crapped the bed if I put the fan stable at 82% I got much higher power than keeping it in auto or full blast. Oh and did it come with the red lips or black? Curious because I'll be getting a new card from evga relatively soon lol
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/24 18:01:36
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jlongmore22
2014 card here. I tried the XOC BIOS a week back and had no luck getting past 450w so I reflashed back to stock BIOS. Flashed back to XOC today and set the power limit to 100% in Precision and applied it then set it back to 119% and applied and ran the same tests I had before. The card is now going up to 500w but is consistently sitting around the 485w. No other changes have been made. I'm not sure what to make of this but thought I would share the information.
I also have a 2014 model. If I set to 119% and nothing else, I get 486-493w in time spy extreme. As soon as I do any overclocking whatsoever my max board power goes down to 450-460w at most. It seems that the more I overclock the lower the power draw is. The scores go up but I max out at about 2100 mhz. On the 450w bios I can get up to 2145 mhz and get higher scores.
Can you try overclocking ONLY the memory and ONLY the core, until you can reproduce if it's one, the other, or either one being touched?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/24 18:20:39
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2014 card.
Pretty much the only thing the voltage tab does is add to my auto boosting. I had to increase voltage to get to 450 power draw.
Memory does nothing to my draw unless i go beyond stable.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/24 19:58:44
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compuclinic
2014 card.
Pretty much the only thing the voltage tab does is add to my auto boosting. I had to increase voltage to get to 450 power draw.
Memory does nothing to my draw unless i go beyond stable.
what's your mobo and PSU? Also, what is your PCIE estimated wattage from whatever monitor software your using
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/24 21:22:55
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Well, I couldn't get it doing a furmark run, but left board power draw open on techpower up while I played Crysis 3. (completely new game with this CPU / Videocard) Hit 487.1 W!!!! Obviously not sustaining but, never saw this high.
500+ Memory and 50 core
Maxed voltage slider for this test.
Worth noting as well this chips temperature is noticeably higher than the other. Like ... a lot. Can't wait to see how this puppy scales with the optimus block on it.
bret I'll add a sig
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/24 23:46:26
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maytheus
I haven't been able to install and play with my 3090 yet but for those wanting a look at the PCB here is what EKWB has up in their compatibility files:
Waterblock EK ? have you link plz?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/25 00:11:22
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EK block isn't out yet. They have this image on their compatibility page.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/25 04:50:15
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Sure can. I closed all monitoring software then ran the BIOS update and restarted Windows. I then went into Precision and lowered the power limit from 119 to 100 and hit Apply and Save then back to 119 and another Apply and Save.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/25 04:54:59
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jlongmore22
2014 card here. I tried the XOC BIOS a week back and had no luck getting past 450w so I reflashed back to stock BIOS. Flashed back to XOC today and set the power limit to 100% in Precision and applied it then set it back to 119% and applied and ran the same tests I had before. The card is now going up to 500w but is consistently sitting around the 485w. No other changes have been made. I'm not sure what to make of this but thought I would share the information.
I also have a 2014 model. If I set to 119% and nothing else, I get 486-493w in time spy extreme. As soon as I do any overclocking whatsoever my max board power goes down to 450-460w at most. It seems that the more I overclock the lower the power draw is. The scores go up but I max out at about 2100 mhz. On the 450w bios I can get up to 2145 mhz and get higher scores.
Hmmm, that is odd. I'll do a few tweaks and see if I can replicate this.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/25 07:30:50
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jlongmore22
2014 card here. I tried the XOC BIOS a week back and had no luck getting past 450w so I reflashed back to stock BIOS. Flashed back to XOC today and set the power limit to 100% in Precision and applied it then set it back to 119% and applied and ran the same tests I had before. The card is now going up to 500w but is consistently sitting around the 485w. No other changes have been made. I'm not sure what to make of this but thought I would share the information.
I also have a 2014 model. If I set to 119% and nothing else, I get 486-493w in time spy extreme. As soon as I do any overclocking whatsoever my max board power goes down to 450-460w at most. It seems that the more I overclock the lower the power draw is. The scores go up but I max out at about 2100 mhz. On the 450w bios I can get up to 2145 mhz and get higher scores.
Hmmm, that is odd. I'll do a few tweaks and see if I can replicate this.
This is exactly same as my finding that I shared yesterday, by doing negative overclock (negative cloc offset for core) I can have higher power draw than with 0 offset or overclocking.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/25 07:41:38
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Probably becoz the heat create a barrier to the power till you hit the limit nothing can be increase.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/25 07:53:34
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Probably becoz the heat create a barrier to the power till you hit the limit nothing can be increase.
my room was freezing with winter air, 60C gpu
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/25 08:27:58
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Since the XOC BIOS does next to nothing, are you guys flashing back to original BIOS?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/25 08:49:21
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Since the XOC BIOS does next to nothing, are you guys flashing back to original BIOS?
For a bit I was on the XC3 Ultra VBIOS which allowed my 3090 FTW3 to really open up and not power throttle. But that was because the power readings were so off, including the PCIE slot power draw. The XOC and stock OC VBIOS seemed to cap out at around 440W. That may, or may not, be because my card drew much higher wattage than the PCIE slot spec calls for and was limited there. My cross ship RMA is coming in today because it drew such high average wattage from the PCIE slot with the stock OC VBIOS without any overclock (and I do want to overclock, and that will increase averages and spikes) - much higher than the 75W specification (up to 82W average, spikes of over 86W).
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/25 08:57:26
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jaxkrabbit
Since the XOC BIOS does next to nothing, are you guys flashing back to original BIOS?
For a bit I was on the XC3 Ultra VBIOS which allowed my 3090 FTW3 to really open up and not power throttle. But that was because the power readings were so off, including the PCIE slot power draw.
The XOC and stock OC VBIOS seemed to cap out at around 440W. That may, or may not, be because my card drew much higher wattage than the PCIE slot spec calls for and was limited there. My cross ship RMA is coming in today because it drew such high average wattage from the PCIE slot with the stock OC VBIOS without any overclock (and I do want to overclock, and that will increase averages and spikes) - much higher than the 75W specification (up to 82W average, spikes of over 86W).
Oh **** I just used HWINFO to check mine. Sits between 78~80Watt for the PCIE connector. About 125Watt for 1st and 2nd 8pin connector, about 94Watt from the 3rd 8pin. Hmmmmmm Mine is first batch 3090FTW3 with XOC BIOS
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/25 09:02:24
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jaxkrabbit
Oh I just used HWINFO to check mine. Sits between 78~80Watt for the PCIE connector. About 125Watt for 1st and 2nd 8pin connector, about 94Watt from the 3rd 8pin.
Hmmmmmm
Mine is first batch 3090FTW3 with XOC BIOS
Test on the stock OC VBIOS. The XOC is a beta, after all. Mine was still higher draw on the PCIE slot stock OC VBIOS without an overclock than what you're seeing on the XOC (and I'm guessing overclocked?)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/25 09:11:36
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jaxkrabbit
Oh **** I just used HWINFO to check mine. Sits between 78~80Watt for the PCIE connector. About 125Watt for 1st and 2nd 8pin connector, about 94Watt from the 3rd 8pin.
Hmmmmmm
Mine is first batch 3090FTW3 with XOC BIOS
Test on the stock OC VBIOS. The XOC is a beta, after all.
Mine was still higher draw on the PCIE slot stock OC VBIOS without an overclock than what you're seeing on the XOC (and I'm guessing overclocked?)
Mine averages about 77-78 on the stock OC BIOS and OC applied. What do you think? I think If have not a bad card. This was my last Port Royal score.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/25 09:31:09
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Mine averages about 77-78 on the stock OC BIOS and OC applied. What do you think? I think If have not a bad card. This was my last Port Royal score.
You think you have a bad card? No, it appears to be the opposite.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/25 09:32:28
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jaxkrabbit
Oh **** I just used HWINFO to check mine. Sits between 78~80Watt for the PCIE connector. About 125Watt for 1st and 2nd 8pin connector, about 94Watt from the 3rd 8pin.
Hmmmmmm
Mine is first batch 3090FTW3 with XOC BIOS
Test on the stock OC VBIOS. The XOC is a beta, after all.
Mine was still higher draw on the PCIE slot stock OC VBIOS without an overclock than what you're seeing on the XOC (and I'm guessing overclocked?)
I have standard RMA’d my card the same timeframe you did, will be very interested to see your results from the new card.
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