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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/18 02:37:20
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Tech powerup GPUz validation doesn’t show any wattage for me.
I’ve tried flashing the oc bios on my ultra a couple times and still can’t get over 430ish watt.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/18 03:23:09
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Notchy44
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Can u say for which card they sent u the bios ? Its saying no compatible display adapters found even if have ID of Ultra or Non Ultra
yeah same here, tried both the OC and the Normal file
I wonder if will need to go back to the original bios from factory before it will let us flash these.
I tried on my Normal bios switch, I never flashed that bios to the new Beta Normal bios yet. Also when I switched back to the OC bios I had to reinstall the beta OC drivers again to get my full 500 watt power again. I wonder if anyone is switching back and forth and not running the oc.exe again.
Are you just swapping bios and driver randomly there or did I (we all) miss a beta OC driver that would be needed to get that bios to work ?! Also, are you saying that reflashing the oc bios over (despite it being already present on the oc switch) after switching to normal and then back to oc helped you getting the 500w again ?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/18 04:16:50
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Dwayne_Johnson
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So it does appear to be working for me now. I have been testing with a 3 different BIOS. The stock BIOS, the XC3 BIOS, and the 500w XOC BIOS. I want to point out that I went to overclock.net and downloaded the BIOS from there and nvflash, and flashed the BIOS manually, rather than using the one EVGA provided. I got out my Kill a Watt and did some testing with that to confirm my findings. The stock BIOS, wouldn't exceed around 660 watts total system draw at the wall socket. The XC3 and the 500w BIOS both maxed out around 710w. I was able to get the same OC with the 500w BIOS as the XC3 BIOS except it's not all glitchy and things report correctly. Actually my fan still has that weird bug, don't ask me what that's about. Won't matter it a couple weeks when I get my water block. I didn't have the fan bug on the stock BIOS, but I did on the XC3 BIOS and/or if I tried to use Afterburner instead of PrecisionX
Hm, that's strange... 
I measured with the OC-BIOS (450W) and the 500W-BIOS exactly the same power draw (whole PC) in Timespy. But only the XC3-BIOS draws 100Watts more (640W vs 740W - whole PC)
I get the same results in Timespy with 450W- and 500W-BIOS
The results with the Strix OC-BIOS are 100 Points better
But the results with the XC3-BIOS are the best - 260 Points more
Note: My XC3-BIOS (94.02.26.40.B2) came from techpowerup. And your Version?
I also got mine from there
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/18 04:18:58
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So it does appear to be working for me now. I have been testing with a 3 different BIOS. The stock BIOS, the XC3 BIOS, and the 500w XOC BIOS. I want to point out that I went to overclock.net and downloaded the BIOS from there and nvflash, and flashed the BIOS manually, rather than using the one EVGA provided. I got out my Kill a Watt and did some testing with that to confirm my findings. The stock BIOS, wouldn't exceed around 660 watts total system draw at the wall socket. The XC3 and the 500w BIOS both maxed out around 710w. I was able to get the same OC with the 500w BIOS as the XC3 BIOS except it's not all glitchy and things report correctly. Actually my fan still has that weird bug, don't ask me what that's about. Won't matter it a couple weeks when I get my water block. I didn't have the fan bug on the stock BIOS, but I did on the XC3 BIOS and/or if I tried to use Afterburner instead of PrecisionX
Can you give a link to the bios you got from overclock.net (or PM me if you feel safer doing that)
It was this one, it has the power limits in the details https://www.techpowerup.c...a-rtx3090-24576-201020
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/18 04:42:38
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cerealkeller
PadinnPlays
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So it does appear to be working for me now. I have been testing with a 3 different BIOS. The stock BIOS, the XC3 BIOS, and the 500w XOC BIOS. I want to point out that I went to overclock.net and downloaded the BIOS from there and nvflash, and flashed the BIOS manually, rather than using the one EVGA provided. I got out my Kill a Watt and did some testing with that to confirm my findings. The stock BIOS, wouldn't exceed around 660 watts total system draw at the wall socket. The XC3 and the 500w BIOS both maxed out around 710w. I was able to get the same OC with the 500w BIOS as the XC3 BIOS except it's not all glitchy and things report correctly. Actually my fan still has that weird bug, don't ask me what that's about. Won't matter it a couple weeks when I get my water block. I didn't have the fan bug on the stock BIOS, but I did on the XC3 BIOS and/or if I tried to use Afterburner instead of PrecisionX
Can you give a link to the bios you got from overclock.net (or PM me if you feel safer doing that)
It was this one, it has the power limits in the details
https://www.techpowerup.c...a-rtx3090-24576-201020
I tested everything multiple times, F8 and F7 bioses are never good for me, I always get a lot more perf on XC3 bios, my card is never throttling on this bios and thats the reason.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/18 04:53:43
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Notchy44
I tried on my Normal bios switch, I never flashed that bios to the new Beta Normal bios yet. Also when I switched back to the OC bios I had to reinstall the beta OC drivers again to get my full 500 watt power again. I wonder if anyone is switching back and forth and not running the oc.exe again.
What is oc.exe ???
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/18 04:58:02
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The original post in this thread has been unedited since it was posted 4 weeks ago, so I'm confused.. have the original 'stock' bios' been amended but not updated on this thread despite being allegedly known to have issues, which seems to be what this post is saying? This is getting messy.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/18 04:58:48
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I tried on my Normal bios switch, I never flashed that bios to the new Beta Normal bios yet. Also when I switched back to the OC bios I had to reinstall the beta OC drivers again to get my full 500 watt power again. I wonder if anyone is switching back and forth and not running the oc.exe again.
What is oc.exe ???
Ditto.. what the heck is that?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/18 05:03:46
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Notchy44
I tried on my Normal bios switch, I never flashed that bios to the new Beta Normal bios yet. Also when I switched back to the OC bios I had to reinstall the beta OC drivers again to get my full 500 watt power again. I wonder if anyone is switching back and forth and not running the oc.exe again.
What is oc.exe ???
Ditto.. what the heck is that?
Yes the very first post in this thread is a set of bios directly from evga that is intended to be used for the 3090 ftw3 ultra cards. It's beta so they are more than likely still going to come out with something else as well.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/18 05:16:46
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Since it looks like mess here, I advise u to join my Discord : discord.gg/kRSfJbvs9k
We can share files there, have faster response to everything etc, Im doing this for the sake of better communication.
If u have any question u can ask there or directly @me.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/18 05:22:56
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Nereus
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Notchy44
I tried on my Normal bios switch, I never flashed that bios to the new Beta Normal bios yet. Also when I switched back to the OC bios I had to reinstall the beta OC drivers again to get my full 500 watt power again. I wonder if anyone is switching back and forth and not running the oc.exe again.
What is oc.exe ???
Ditto.. what the heck is that?
firmware update aka nvflash in .exe, dont worry it doesnt work.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/18 05:28:06
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BTW, for SLI scores, only Slinky PC is ahead of me now on 3DMark TimeSpy, and he is running something crazy on his Asus cards to keep his temps super low. It looks like I am able to beat the Asus cards with this Bios (at least in TimeSpy--Today I will screw around with Timespy extreme). Once I am done with SLI, I will do single card runs as well. Basically, I had to run all fans 100% during benchmarks and keep case open in my cold basement. I'm not sure if the cut offs on the bios for Temps are much lower than the gpu 91 degrees set in X1 or if the fan curves are malfunctioning or if one of those temp sensor points is bottlenecking the rest. Cooling the whole system better and running the fans 100% did help. Otherwise these cards downclock themselves to compensate it seems. https://www.3dmark.com/ha...eset/version+1.0/2+gpuhttps://www.3dmark.com/ha...nce+preset/version+1.0All this being said, I guess I will have to water cool my cards eventually if the above concerning heat bottlenecks is the case...
post edited by QueueCumber - 2020/11/18 05:42:22
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/18 05:36:57
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P.S. the above is what I am noticing with my cards that were built around a month and a half apart. I am not saying my issue is the same one people who are struggling to get over 450w are having. Albeit, they may want to play around and see if extra cooling helps. I doubt single card users are dealing with the same heat issues I am running SLI, but worth checking, IMO. To wit, my first card has always been hitting over 500w with this Bios (not sure with 2nd card at this point--I never checked--but the 2nd is like 30 points slower on OC before having issues).
post edited by QueueCumber - 2020/11/18 05:40:18
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/18 06:28:25
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I want to use the XC3 bios but will this brick my GPU on the long term? I know it's not an official fix but is there any risk of using the xc3 bios?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/18 06:44:41
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Den-ko
I want to use the XC3 bios but will this brick my GPU on the long term? I know it's not an official fix but is there any risk of using the xc3 bios?
XC3 will not brick your gpu and there isnt any risk using XC3, atleast from what I tested the bios is fine.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/18 06:52:13
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Cerealkiller - those photos are perfect - thank you!
RE: the warranty though, it says specifically that the limited warranty is for the original owner only and can't be transferred. What am I missing? This is what the card inside every eVGA box has said for years. Did I read it wrong? Would love that to be true.
EVGA's warranty has ALWAYS been transferrable. Not sure what you are reading. It's on their website somewhere and that's basically been the #1 reason people buy EVGA, transferrable warranty.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/18 06:55:30
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slovak_killer
Den-ko
I want to use the XC3 bios but will this brick my GPU on the long term? I know it's not an official fix but is there any risk of using the xc3 bios?
XC3 will not brick your gpu and there isnt any risk using XC3, atleast from what I tested the bios is fine.
I didn't bother flashing the XC3 bios previously because the power limits are lower than stock FTW3. Board power limit Target: 350.0 W Limit: 366.0 W Can someone explain how that's actually outperforming the FTW3 bios?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/18 07:09:07
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LVNeptune
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Den-ko
I want to use the XC3 bios but will this brick my GPU on the long term? I know it's not an official fix but is there any risk of using the xc3 bios?
XC3 will not brick your gpu and there isnt any risk using XC3, atleast from what I tested the bios is fine.
I didn't bother flashing the XC3 bios previously because the power limits are lower than stock FTW3.
Board power limit Target: 350.0 W Limit: 366.0 W
Can someone explain how that's actually outperforming the FTW3 bios?
OCN thread if youre interested : https://www.overclock.net/threads/evga-3090-ftw-power-limit-bypass.1774611/#post-28673646Since XC3 is 2x8pin bios its "bugging" FTW3 which is 3x8pin into higher PowerLimit, u can test it yourself, guys from this forum are reporting +100W difference between XC3 bios and 500W XOC, so u get around 500-600W of power from XC3. Few minutes ago we had discussion about this on my discord.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/18 07:38:03
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I didn't bother flashing the XC3 bios previously because the power limits are lower than stock FTW3.
Board power limit Target: 350.0 W Limit: 366.0 W
Can someone explain how that's actually outperforming the FTW3 bios?
XC3-BIOS draws in GPU-Z ~332Watts (500W-BIOS = 466Watts) But XC3 sucks 100Watts more out of your socket  I reached in Timespy ~ 1,05V VGPU, but with 500W-BIOS only 0,95V At the moment, the XC3-BIOS is the best solution for a FTW3 Ultra 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/18 07:42:40
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I didn't bother flashing the XC3 bios previously because the power limits are lower than stock FTW3.
Board power limit Target: 350.0 W Limit: 366.0 W
Can someone explain how that's actually outperforming the FTW3 bios?
XC3-BIOS draws in GPU-Z ~332Watts (500W-BIOS = 466Watts)
But XC3 sucks 100Watts more out of your socket
I reached in Timespy ~ 1,05V VGPU, but with 500W-BIOS only 0,95V
At the moment, the XC3-BIOS is the best solution for a FTW3 Ultra
Yes its the best bios for now, the 332W is fake info reported by bugged monitoring, the +100W socket meter is accurate.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/18 07:58:40
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/18 08:34:19
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what resolution are you playing your games ?
i saw this card is increasing his scores when run at 4k or higher
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/18 08:40:19
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This can't be true. Our FTW Ultra cards are physically gimped and can't use this power? Then why are others saying it works? Wouldn't EVGA be aware that the bios wouldn't work since they literally released it to us??
Plus some people are getting better results?
Hopefully answers will be released but Framechasers did say that the new bios on a stock card was actually worse... which both Arcky and I also found.
Worth the watch if your interested in quality. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuimvlNraLM
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/18 08:44:35
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/18 08:46:39
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aukyo
this is a 3080 not 3090
I understand that, but wouldn't the components be similar? If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I'd be curious if they used the same quality components in the FTW3 3080/3090. They are both the EVGA high end line after all.
post edited by krztoff2202 - 2020/11/18 08:49:15
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/18 08:51:28
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aukyo
what resolution are you playing your games ?
i saw this card is increasing his scores when run at 4k or higher
The games are at 1080, but literally every setting maxed, rtx on, dlss off, so frames are rarely over 100 average.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/18 08:59:25
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i saw increase of mutiple games running at 4k all ultra , around 5-10fps atleast because at 1080 till 1440p your cpu can be bottleneck , and over 1440p till 16k your cpu is not being used soo much
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/18 09:00:52
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My 5950x is not a bottleneck at sub 100fps. Feel free to post a similarly granular data set so we can compare more effectively.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/18 09:22:42
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The higher your resolution, the higher the load on the GPU and lower the load on the CPU because your GPU isn’t able to render as many frames per second. High frames per second at 1080p is a much higher CPU load, which is where most CPU bottlenecks will occur.
At 4K/2160p, CPU matters much less than it does at 1080p, especially since most GPUs are hard pressed to get more than 60 frames at 4K. Enough that almost any CPU can game at 4K 60Hz.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/18 09:27:59
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Dude, I understand the concept you’re describing. I’m saying it’s entirely inapplicable to the data I presented. Even beyond the fact that in all the game benchmarks I posted I was 99% GPU bound, which immediately invalidates your main point regarding CpU bOTTLeNeCKinG, the primary focus of my analysis was comparative metrics, meaning RELATIVE scores between the two bios across synthetics and games, not ABSOLUTE scores. Please, if you’re not going to contribute meaningful content to the topic at hand, don’t muddy the discussion with superfluous criticism.
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