Keep it or sell it if you're hesitating. No point in RMA if it already hovers around 2100MHz core.

I did the RMA swap this week and have the hybrid kit.

Basically I went from 2150mhz consistent clock under hours of load, but a power draw on PCI was 80w, max power draw was low 400’s, gamed perfect at +150 and ran cool but almost NEVER woke from a PC sleep state, even with no over-clock. Running the PX1 scan, it recommended OC around +110. Card was good, but the never waking from sleep and high draw worries me on damage and it was a pain always force rebooting my PC and loosing any open work.

The new card draws only 62W on PCI at full load, runs much lower clock at 1995 to 2010mhz with total power draw is 440-460. Overclocking to +150 works but doesn’t net any actual clock increase as it still hovers at 2000mhz. This card absolutely runs hotter, like 5-10 degrees hotter under load on everything (core,mem,pwr). But it is really stable and for past 3 days it comes out of sleep 100%.

Seems like my old card ran better clockwise & cooler - but was defective. Chasing a few mhz was fun on day 1 but I would much rather have a stable balanced card not thrashing my motherboard. And I am of the opinion that overclocking is truly pointless, kind of a gimmick and fun to see what the card is capable of, but in reality an OC nets no real tangible benefit, cards are all silicone-lotto and todays drivers auto-clock boost or throttle real-time anyway which give you max performance for your particular personal setup. The proof is that no matter what you OC your card to, the driver just down clocks that away, you don’t actually get the OC that the PX1 placebo slider tells you you’ll get.

So I am thankful to EVGA for doing the RMA, admitting some early cards had issues and swapping for me. Small loss of “numbers” means nothing to me, game FPS is the same.

You may want to check your PCI power draw, I would say let that be your driving decision to RMA, but if you are not having any PC issues - I would NOT RMA it, you’ll just be taking another roll in the lotto and at a probability of 5% chance of getting a 2100mhz card again; a roll is not in your favor.

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Bepzinky
Keep it or sell it if you're hesitating. No point in RMA if it already hovers around 2100MHz core.

Agreed.  Mine couldn't do above 1940 sustained, at 440W and 79C, so I sent it.  If I had a card that could do 2100 and under 450 watts I'd love it.  Higher clocks and less power is actually what we want.  We are only chasing the power limit in the hopes that max clocks will hold during play.

kring

EVGA_JacobF
EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 - Updated 4/5/21 with Resizable BAR Versions. Important: If your card ALREADY came with the XOC BIOS in the secondary position, do not apply these updates:

• EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 HYBRID - BIOS 1 (Normal) | BIOS 2 (OC)

NOTE: There are 2 BIOS's, one is for the BIOS when switched to the normal stock position, the other if switched to the OC position
 

 
Do either of these BIOS' allow me to set my 3090 FTW3 Ultra Hybrid fans below 33% ?   
 
I can't stand a hybrid that runs fans blazing with my GPU at idle and temps of 25C.

The normal VBIOS is a 0dB VBIOS (0% fan speed until 60C), the OC VBIOS is 33% fan speed minimum - same as when these were released for all the FTW3 models.

ausyenlowang
So a question here, im running a 3090 ftw3 Ultra, with the XOC bios installed. is the below normal?
 
atm in benchmarks it pulls 450watts and hits Pwr perfcap
in most games it fluctuates from 250 to 350w and its perf cap is Vrel and Vop
its OC in X1 is +350 mem, +100mhz gpu, Voltage maxed =100, power 119% and gpu temp 91.
 
its not hitting temp limits, and its bolted to an AX1600i, and max clock seems to be hitting 2040mhz (atleast with those settings.)

Use HWinfo64 or some other monitoring software to see what your peak PCIe power usage is as well as the balance between the three 8-pin inputs.  PCIe should not exceed 75w.  If you have benchmark software you can check power usage on that as well since there are lots of examples in this thread already.  If you have doubts just email the special RMA team and they can walk you through confirming if you're card is a candidate.

arestavo
The normal VBIOS is a 0dB VBIOS (0% fan speed until 60C), the OC VBIOS is 33% fan speed minimum - same as when these were released for all the FTW3 models.

Great, thanks! Going to load the normal one. 

arestavo

EVGA_JacobF
EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 - Updated 4/5/21 with Resizable BAR Versions. Important: If your card ALREADY came with the XOC BIOS in the secondary position, do not apply these updates:

• EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 HYBRID - BIOS 1 (Normal) | BIOS 2 (OC)

NOTE: There are 2 BIOS's, one is for the BIOS when switched to the normal stock position, the other if switched to the OC position
 

The normal VBIOS is a 0dB VBIOS (0% fan speed until 60C), the OC VBIOS is 33% fan speed minimum - same as when these were released for all the FTW3 models.

Was able to go through multiple BIOS update hops to finally get to this BIOS.
 
I can CONFIRM this is a bad BIOS, it will not let you control the hybrid fans below 33%... YES it's the normal BIOS file loaded to normal switch. 
 
The HYBRID 3090's are still broken after 6 months.  2nd most expensive EVGA card ever produced and they don't have a BIOS for it.

I was told there is no eta on getting a card after rmaing for power balancing.  
Since I need my computer for work I guess im waiting till I can get another gpu.

Den-ko
Kingpin 520W bios, no power limit 83W pcie slot 520-550W overall power consumption

 
XC3 Ultra 104% power bios 66W pcie slot ???W(Can't read power) overall consumption

 
 
Seems to me like if you want to push daily drivers go for xc3 bios, if you want to break benchmark runs go for kingpin bios. I don't think 83W on pci slot is healthy at all. It was nice to see constant 500W being pulled during run and only having voltage limits but I don't think it's healthy for the card at all. These are just core clock boosts no curve edits.
 
 

Are these results from a special RMA card?

ausyenlowang

lobstar

ausyenlowang
So a question here, im running a 3090 ftw3 Ultra, with the XOC bios installed. is the below normal?
 
atm in benchmarks it pulls 450watts and hits Pwr perfcap
in most games it fluctuates from 250 to 350w and its perf cap is Vrel and Vop
its OC in X1 is +350 mem, +100mhz gpu, Voltage maxed =100, power 119% and gpu temp 91.
 
its not hitting temp limits, and its bolted to an AX1600i, and max clock seems to be hitting 2040mhz (atleast with those settings.)

Use HWinfo64 or some other monitoring software to see what your peak PCIe power usage is as well as the balance between the three 8-pin inputs.  PCIe should not exceed 75w.  If you have benchmark software you can check power usage on that as well since there are lots of examples in this thread already.  If you have doubts just email the special RMA team and they can walk you through confirming if you're card is a candidate.

those numbers are from GPUz

The software is irrelevant.  You need to look at the right information as I detailed above.  You only specified part of the information.

elbramso

Den-ko
Kingpin 520W bios, no power limit 83W pcie slot 520-550W overall power consumption

 
XC3 Ultra 104% power bios 66W pcie slot ???W(Can't read power) overall consumption

 
 
Seems to me like if you want to push daily drivers go for xc3 bios, if you want to break benchmark runs go for kingpin bios. I don't think 83W on pci slot is healthy at all. It was nice to see constant 500W being pulled during run and only having voltage limits but I don't think it's healthy for the card at all. These are just core clock boosts no curve edits.
 
 

Are these results from a special RMA card?

I am unsure if it was the special RMA, but it was indeed an RMA. Went from red lips to black lips.



 
2014 serial to 2114 serial, the card had better power balancing than my previous card but the kingpin bios pulls too much from pci-e for me to use it as my daily driver.

Bepzinky
Then the qustion is - does the same thing happen with a real Kingpin 3090?

If I remember correctly some kingpin cards had load balancing issues as well but users could fix them using the classified tool. Correct me if I'm wrong

The lack of concrete info on the hybrid (kit) XOC bios for the new special RMA cards is a bummer.  It feels a bit like when the hybrid kit originally launched and it wasn't very clear.
 
I was hoping to be able to test my replacement when it gets here then slap the hybrid right back on.  I might just keep the air cooler on and reconfigure my case for a bit..

I have the special rma 3090 ftw3 with the hybrid kit installed and Im not having any issues with the fans on my end, all I did was install the card as and test, then i put the hybrid kit on and updated the bios to the resizable bar bios.  I did not upgrade my px1 to the hybird version, maybe thats the issue?