Yes it's a real endless nightmare! 
 
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Dasoa
OK, so it's normal according to you that it is replaced the reference "Part Number Out following:24G-P5-3982-B2" in a few hours by the reference "Part Number Out folowing:24G-P5-3987-KR" which corresponds to the Number of my old card sent to the rma.
Are you sure they don't want to send me back a card with the reference 24G-P5-3987-KR which corresponds to the problematic cards?

I'd like to address this, as I've addressed similar part number oddities in the past.
 
As part of our internal numbering system, -B* is considered a "bulk" part number (e.g. -B1, -B6, -B7).  Rather than receive the card fully packed and ready to ship as -KR (or -KB for Best Buy), these are usually received as just the card, and our production teams pack the cards into a new box with accessories and change the part number to -KR (or -KB for Best Buy) before we ship the product to their destination.  Some bulk cards are sent directly to system builders, and retain their -B* part number, and only carry a 1-year warranty.  Likewise, it's no different than us receiving -KR cards from customer RMA and later repacking them as -RX when we sell them as recertified.
 
For 3090oc RMA cards, we chose -B2 to be an easy reference for us to track replacements done through this system, as well as the ability to make sure future RMAs will also use these types of cards for the people that requested them.  Normally, you wouldn't see any of this process, but by having the product initially scanned in as -B2 we can make sure that future replacements use this type of card.  However, since your original part number ends in a -KR, we also update the part number at the end of the process back to -KR before shipping out so that our system sees your warranty and other information properly.

EVGATech_LeeM

Dasoa
OK, so it's normal according to you that it is replaced the reference "Part Number Out following:24G-P5-3982-B2" in a few hours by the reference "Part Number Out folowing:24G-P5-3987-KR" which corresponds to the Number of my old card sent to the rma.
Are you sure they don't want to send me back a card with the reference 24G-P5-3987-KR which corresponds to the problematic cards?

I'd like to address this, as I've addressed similar part number oddities in the past.
 
As part of our internal numbering system, -B* is considered a "bulk" part number (e.g. -B1, -B6, -B7).  Rather than receive the card fully packed and ready to ship as -KR (or -KB for Best Buy), these are usually received as just the card, and our production teams pack the cards into a new box with accessories and change the part number to -KR (or -KB for Best Buy) before we ship the product to their destination.  Some bulk cards are sent directly to system builders, and retain their -B* part number, and only carry a 1-year warranty.  Likewise, it's no different than us receiving -KR cards from customer RMA and later repacking them as -RX when we sell them as recertified.
 
For 3090oc RMA cards, we chose -B2 to be an easy reference for us to track replacements done through this system, as well as the ability to make sure future RMAs will also use these types of cards for the people that requested them.  Normally, you wouldn't see any of this process, but by having the product initially scanned in as -B2 we can make sure that future replacements use this type of card.  However, since your original part number ends in a -KR, we also update the part number at the end of the process back to -KR before shipping out so that our system sees your warranty and other information properly.

Do you know anything about why some of the replacement cards have the GA 102 250 die? Seems to perform worse than the original card. Is it a lesser bin than the 300 version?

EVGATech_LeeM

phroze
 
Do you know anything about why some of the replacement cards have the GA 102 250 die? Seems to perform worse than the original card. Is it a lesser bin than the 300 version?

Sniped you.

hahaha you got me! Thanks for answering that. Are you sure that Nvidia didn't bin these 250 chips in preparation for the 3080ti? They just neutered the memory bandwidth and re enabled for the 3090?

EVGATech_LeeM

phroze

EVGATech_LeeM

phroze
 
Do you know anything about why some of the replacement cards have the GA 102 250 die? Seems to perform worse than the original card. Is it a lesser bin than the 300 version?

Sniped you.

hahaha you got me! Thanks for answering that. Are you sure that Nvidia didn't bin these 250 chips in preparation for the 3080ti? They just neutered the memory bandwidth and re enabled for the 3090?

Sorry to pass the buck, but you would have to ask NVIDIA about that one.  I can only confirm what I posted above.

I don't think Mr. Leathercoat would speak with us peons.

EVGATech_LeeM

phroze
Tearing into my card and I find that EVGA is using what was supposed to be 3080ti chips for these 3090 program cards. Notice the GA 102 250 that is crossed out? I want to know why we got stuck with the supposedly lower binned chips?
 

This is normal for some NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 cards and not specifically related to the new replacement cards, nor related to EVGA cards in general. These GPU's are functionally identical to the updated part number that is listed on the 5th line.

Yeah when you buy a 3090, you're supposed to get 3090 performance. You're not guaranteed +200 core oc or anything. 300 or 250 die, if you're getting 3090 performance, you're getting what you paid for. Still, would feel pretty bad to see a 250 crossed out though.

glocked89

EVGATech_LeeM

phroze
Tearing into my card and I find that EVGA is using what was supposed to be 3080ti chips for these 3090 program cards. Notice the GA 102 250 that is crossed out? I want to know why we got stuck with the supposedly lower binned chips?
 

This is normal for some NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 cards and not specifically related to the new replacement cards, nor related to EVGA cards in general. These GPU's are functionally identical to the updated part number that is listed on the 5th line.

Yeah when you buy a 3090, you're supposed to get 3090 performance. You're not guaranteed +200 core oc or anything. 300 or 250 die, if you're getting 3090 performance, you're getting what you paid for. Still, would feel pretty bad to see a 250 crossed out though.

Actually, when you pay the $300 premium for the FTW3 cards (at least in the past), you would get a card that has better components. Samsung memory, higher binned die. So in that sense, no, you are not getting what you paid for. Nothing is a guarantee though. I know that. 

Yes, it's a bit easy to throw the hot potato back to nvidia.I sent in a GA102-300 with the promise that I would receive a card that overclocks better and I'm getting what was supposed to be a 3080ti, a GA102-250 that overclocks worse than my original card.
I wish I had been informed of this from the beginning. As for me I would have kept my old card and its almost 80w pcieexpress16x, and 439 w maximum 
How I regret buying this overpriced thing.... what a hell!
And in addition you use irony

Not the best shot but here is a pic of the front side of the PCB. I know some were wanting to see it. I am a bit torn with the whole 250 die issue. The PCIe issue is fixed so that chances of this card crapping out on me is much lower. I will keep it until I upgrade in a couple generations but will strongly consider a different brand at that time. I have always purchased EVGA because of the awesome customer service but customer service isn't everything.
 

This isn't a revision it's a another GPU. At this point I would prefer my old card back.

zig11727
This isn't a revision it's a another GPU. At this point I would prefer my old card back.

We were definitely lead to believe that the card we received should be better at overclocking. I doubt Jacob knew that they were going to pull a bait and switch on the chips but I don't feel good about this.
 

Yes sure... you stirred up a lot of air

phroze

zig11727
This isn't a revision it's a another GPU. At this point I would prefer my old card back.

We were definitely lead to believe that the card we received should be better at overclocking. I doubt Jacob knew that they were going to pull a bait and switch on the chips but I don't feel good about this.
 

I doubt evga has much control over the Die's NVidia sends them... if NVidia classifies it as a 3090 die with all of the features (even if maybe it was binned lower originally because of speed); then it's going to get used in a 3090.  The video card situation has only gotten worse; so I imagine evga is in a pinch of "Do I allocate Die's we receive for RMA's / Swap Program?" or "Do I allocate these Die's for new products and tell customers who already paid they have to wait?".  We are assuming evga still has a ton of GA102-300's; but that may not be the case at this moment in time.

lobstar
Next up we get super pissed off that AMD puts the same chiplets in the entire product line lol.

You aren't understanding. Let's take the example you just gave. My 5900x has a defect that keeps it from being a 5950x which makes it lower binned chiplets. I paid much less for my 5900x because of this. The same hold true with GPU chips.

arestavo

phroze

lobstar
Next up we get super pissed off that AMD puts the same chiplets in the entire product line lol.

You aren't understanding. Let's take the example you just gave. My 5900x has a defect that keeps it from being a 5950x which makes it lower binned chiplets. I paid much less for my 5900x because of this. The same hold true with GPU chips.

Not all the time. Just look at all the AMD GPUs that can successfully be flashed to the next higher tier.
 
Sometimes the the chips are renamed due to the numbers available with a more mature chip production.

I understand that sometimes fab lines with higher end chips will be used to produce lower end chips just to meet demand on the low end but that is something that happens once a product has met demand on the high end and has matured over time. We are nowhere near that point right now.