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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/04/01 14:14:49 (permalink)
Dasoa
OK I thank you for your help phrose. I hope you are right.
If not have you updated the vbios for the Resizable Bar with the bios links given by jacob:Standard: https://cdn.evga.com/bios...es/3982V940242C005.zip
OC: https://cdn.evga.com/bios...es/3982K940242C002.zip
Or did you use px1(if yes which version the 1.1.8.0 or the unofficial 1.1.8.1)
No problem with the 3rd fan with px1 ?


I have updated the BIOS for BAR support using PX1. 1.1.8.0. The third fan does not show. I do not care in my instance because I use a waterblock.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/04/01 14:18:45 (permalink)
Dasoa
OK I thank you for your help phrose. I hope you are right.
If not have you updated the vbios for the Resizable Bar with the bios links given by jacob:Standard: https://cdn.evga.com/bios...es/3982V940242C005.zip
OC: https://cdn.evga.com/bios...es/3982K940242C002.zip
Or did you use px1(if yes which version the 1.1.8.0 or the unofficial 1.1.8.1)
No problem with the 3rd fan with px1 ?

I used PX1 to flash my revised card received through the exchange program. For safety I just flashed my 'normal' bios to the XOC 500w with ReBar.  Everything worked as expected except for the fan issue.  In PX1 the third fan has a range of 0-100 where 1/2 only have a range of 33-100.  I then flashed to the KPE 520w bios with ReBar.  PX1 shows similar fan issues though I can't actually use it since it constantly wants to restart my machine to apply a firmware update which fails every time (which is good that it does).  It shows fan 1 at 25 and 2/3 at 0.  I'm unable to interact with the software so I'm not sure how much difference it makes.  In GPU-z I can see Fan 2/3 both operate at higher RPMs than fan 1 when I set them manually in Afterburner.  If I restart fan 2/3 do not spin so I need to now start Afterburner with windows to resolve this.  Fan 1 is 1575 RPM @ 80% and 2/3 are 2430 RPM @ 80%. I have a waterblock on the way so I'm not concerned with the operation of the fans or lighting.

 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/04/01 14:21:38 (permalink)
OK thanks for your support, it's nice of you. If one day you come to France you will be welcomed ;) Good day to you 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/04/01 14:24:09 (permalink)
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Dasoa
OK I thank you for your help phrose. I hope you are right.
If not have you updated the vbios for the Resizable Bar with the bios links given by jacob:Standard: https://cdn.evga.com/bios...es/3982V940242C005.zip
OC: https://cdn.evga.com/bios...es/3982K940242C002.zip
Or did you use px1(if yes which version the 1.1.8.0 or the unofficial 1.1.8.1)
No problem with the 3rd fan with px1 ?


I have updated the BIOS for BAR support using PX1. 1.1.8.0. The third fan does not show. I do not care in my instance because I use a waterblock.



He is right, they will swap the part number at shipping and they will also auto register the new card to you at the same time. So you will have the old RMA'd card and the new one in your My Products page.   At the point you can verify the serial number, as mine also is a 2114 from the new RMA program.  
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/04/01 15:04:03 (permalink)
How do I enter into the exchange program for a power balanced version of the card?  I can't find anything about the program.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/04/01 15:05:14 (permalink)
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How do I enter into the exchange program for a power balanced version of the card?  I can't find anything about the program.


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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/04/01 19:16:13 (permalink)
Tearing into my card and I find that EVGA is using what was supposed to be 3080ti chips for these 3090 program cards. Notice the GA 102 250 that is crossed out? I want to know why we got stuck with the supposedly lower binned chips?
 


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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/04/01 19:25:21 (permalink)
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Tearing into my card and I find that EVGA is using what was supposed to be 3080ti chips for these 3090 program cards. Notice the GA 102 250 that is crossed out? I want to know why we got stuck with the supposedly lower binned chips?
 





 This is not EVGA but Nvidia doing this, read this :
 
https://www.techpowerup.c...ga102-300-for-rtx-3090
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/04/01 19:28:28 (permalink)
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Tearing into my card and I find that EVGA is using what was supposed to be 3080ti chips for these 3090 program cards. Notice the GA 102 250 that is crossed out? I want to know why we got stuck with the supposedly lower binned chips?
 



Interesting!  I'm still waiting on my waterblock before I tear mine down but I did see GPUz still lists all the shaders and TMUs that it should have.

 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/04/01 19:54:16 (permalink)
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phroze
Tearing into my card and I find that EVGA is using what was supposed to be 3080ti chips for these 3090 program cards. Notice the GA 102 250 that is crossed out? I want to know why we got stuck with the supposedly lower binned chips?
 





 This is not EVGA but Nvidia doing this, read this :
 
https://www.techpowerup.c...ga102-300-for-rtx-3090

EVGA does have the choice of which chips go on which card. Explains why I couldn't get even +100 on the core on a PR run.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/04/01 20:17:19 (permalink)
 If EVGA dont have the 3090 chip but get newer from nvidia how they can built those card without the chip.
 
Its not EVGA made the chip, they come from Nvidia and its also nvidia can crossed out the name on the chip and not EVGA.
 
EVGA is not allowed to mod the name chip from nvidia. This chip need to be the same then the 3090 but the pcb board of the card will allow more or less vram with power phase. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/04/01 20:21:40 (permalink)
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 If EVGA dont have the 3090 chip but get newer from nvidia how they can built those card without the chip.
 
Its not EVGA made the chip, they come from Nvidia and its also nvidia can crossed out the name on the chip and not EVGA.
 
EVGA is not allowed to mod the name chip from nvidia. This chip need to be the same then the 3090 but the pcb board of the card will allow more or less vram with power phase. 


But evga is still getting the 300 die. Why not put the lower tier on a lower tier card instead of one of the flagships?

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/04/01 20:28:32 (permalink)
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changboy
 If EVGA dont have the 3090 chip but get newer from nvidia how they can built those card without the chip.
 
Its not EVGA made the chip, they come from Nvidia and its also nvidia can crossed out the name on the chip and not EVGA.
 
EVGA is not allowed to mod the name chip from nvidia. This chip need to be the same then the 3090 but the pcb board of the card will allow more or less vram with power phase. 


But evga is still getting the 300 die. Why not put the lower tier on a lower tier card instead of one of the flagships?

Where you see they still getting the 300 die when even nvidia itself need to put the 250 one ?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/04/01 20:46:03 (permalink)
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Where you see they still getting the 300 die when even nvidia itself need to put the 250 one ?




 
Mine came with a 300 die.  They probably had a very short run of 3080Ti before they scrapped it.  I wouldn't be worried unless you weren't hitting the same performance/getting the same number of cores.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/04/01 21:07:28 (permalink)
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changboy

Where you see they still getting the 300 die when even nvidia itself need to put the 250 one ?




 
Mine came with a 300 die.  They probably had a very short run of 3080Ti before they scrapped it.  I wouldn't be worried unless you weren't hitting the same performance/getting the same number of cores.

I'll do more benchmarking tomorrow with the water block. I wasn't able to get +100 on the core on air. Has me very worried.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/04/01 21:50:38 (permalink)
Guys, does the new BIOS solves problem with high power pulling from PCIe, I have mine close to 72W even in undervolted. It crashes several times already.
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/04/01 22:26:59 (permalink)
Hey guys!

Any news on how to get XC3 bios with rebar on FTW3? Im on XOC bios with rebar atm and i would like to switch to xc3 with rebar.
 
Ty!
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/04/01 23:14:42 (permalink)
Can someone please post or link me the 500w XOC Hybrid FTW3 Ultra Bios with Resizable bar support. I cant seem to find it. Also do I have to install the new X1 to enable resizable bar support or can it be turned on in NVidia control panel.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/04/02 00:11:59 (permalink)
What is a decent overclock score for the 500W bios?
I´ve flashed it and it´s working. did a run yesterday with rebar on. +800Mhz memory and +115 on gpu. peak temp on the vram was 66°C in gpuz.
What I don´t get is that I´m getting a 1319Mhz average memory clock frequency, it should be higher so it looks something isn´t being applied here
Any tips?
 
Peak power draw was 477W.
 
Curious how far I can push this, running on watercooling.
images of my score and stats down here.

post edited by darknevan - 2021/04/02 00:31:31
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/04/02 00:57:33 (permalink)
Regarding the reassignment of NVIDIA Repurposing Scrapped RTX 3080 Ti GA102-250 to GA102-300 GPUs for RTX 3090, received by phroze, is whether these 3080ti was supposed to run at the same frequency as a normal 3090(300).....
Hence perhaps the explanation for the low overclocking it gets on its gpu (+100)?
It would be interesting to know if those who received their new replacement gpu from evga all received an NVIDIA Repurposing Scrapped RTX 3080 Ti GA102-250 GPUs to GA102-300 for RTX 3090.
Frankly I am more and more disappointed with this 3090 ftw3 ultra ... and the opacity to communicate evga on the subject! It would be interesting to have a feedback from jacob, even if I doubt an answer.
And especially waiting for the reception of my replacement card and not having watercooling for this one, I do not see myself dismounting it just to check the reference of my gpu!
EVGA we want an explanation!
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/04/02 03:27:38 (permalink)
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Hey guys!

Any news on how to get XC3 bios with rebar on FTW3? Im on XOC bios with rebar atm and i would like to switch to xc3 with rebar.
 
Ty!
 


 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/04/02 03:44:31 (permalink)
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What is a decent overclock score for the 500W bios?
I´ve flashed it and it´s working. did a run yesterday with rebar on. +800Mhz memory and +115 on gpu. peak temp on the vram was 66°C in gpuz.
What I don´t get is that I´m getting a 1319Mhz average memory clock frequency, it should be higher so it looks something isn´t being applied here
Any tips?
 
Peak power draw was 477W.
 
Curious how far I can push this, running on watercooling.
images of my score and stats down here.


This looks great, can you the screenshot of GPUZ regarding power pulling in PCIe slot? Thanks. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/04/02 05:19:40 (permalink)
So, I got one of the special replacement RMA cards with the power slot issue fixed. I just installed a hybrid kit last night and can confirm that I got one of the GA102-250 to GA102-300 chips. I didn’t realize these chips were meant for the 3080 Ti until coming across it in these later posts…

I’m kind of annoyed that the chips were likely going through a different binning process when these updated cards were sent out - silicon lottery is one thing, but a different bin of a chip is another. Kind of disappointed that EVGA would do this on a card being replaced for someone who is clearly a power user (no pun intended) that returned a card because of a relatively obscure issue. They should have probably relegated these chips to XC3 cards only, not FTW3 ultras, but I don’t know exactly what their process is for deciding what chip goes where. Just would have liked to know this was happening, because it does seem to have some kind of impact.

My prior chip definitely clocked higher than this one. I’m still trying to dial it in, but even water cooled, this card doesn’t seem to like more than +100 to core (I was pretty easily running +150 on my original card on air and it seemed to hit higher boost clocks, though somewhat erratically due to the power delivery issues of the card).

That said, even with the lower boost clocks (it only seems to be one or two speed bins lower when boosting up), the new card seems to perform at least on par or maybe even a little better than the previous card because of the power draw fix.

Ironically I may actually have to lower my core overclock a bit with the hybrid kit installed - perhaps because it’s maintaining those high boost clocks for longer, it seems less stable with the hybrid on in long stress tests than it was on air. It got several hundred points lower in benchmarks on air, but never crashed. Just in the 3dmark stress test, I’m noticing that it can’t survive reliably through the test at +100 core. I’m going to continue to test though, and ironically, I might be coming into thermal issues even using the water cooler (I’m trying to see how quiet I can get it - maybe I need to ratchet things up a bit). Maybe I should be ignoring the 3dmark stress test? Everything else seems to be running fine, but I typically shoot to have ALL tests I can run be fully stable on my overclocks.

Overall, I have mixed feelings about this situation. Part of me wishes I had gone down the hybrid route with my initial card before trying the special RMA, but I probably would have never done that. I’m thankful that EVGA tried to do something here, but at the same time, if they’re going to go out of their way to communicate “special RMAs” and the like with their more dedicated users, things like arguable die revisions (it has a different name crossed out on the chip) should be explained - if anything, to at least make us feel better if it’s their position that these chips weren’t actually binned differently.

Still a great card and it’s certainly been a learning process. Also stoked about having my first water cooled card. I don’t have a custom loop, so the fact that EVGA has these kits available to begin with is pretty awesome. It was a fun project! 👍
post edited by Ronnzi - 2021/04/02 05:22:57
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/04/02 05:31:09 (permalink)
This whole RMA has been a nightmare The PCI-E slot problem is solved but now I have 250 chip instead of a 300 chip. The 250 chip should been used in 3080ti not the 3090 FTW3 Ultra.
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/04/02 05:37:00 (permalink)
Well good to know, I'm at the point of putting mine in a box and RMA'ing it but after it comes back it will be replaced by a 3090 Strix OC. Sad truth.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/04/02 06:02:33 (permalink)
I now understand why he specifies before the implementation of the rma: "There are NO other benefits that should be expected by replacing your card."
It's just pathetic, and they are hiding to show us this story. What a pity not to have taken an Asus strix less expensive than the evga in Europe.
As far as I'm concerned first and last time I buy one from their card.
It is just shameful and dishonest the treatment of this file!
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/04/02 06:10:08 (permalink)
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Can someone please post or link me the 500w XOC Hybrid FTW3 Ultra Bios with Resizable bar support. I cant seem to find it. Also do I have to install the new X1 to enable resizable bar support or can it be turned on in NVidia control panel.


Vbios:  Post 5403
 
Don’t know on X1, but latest v1.8.1.1: https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3249659 post 277
post edited by JaxMacFL - 2021/04/02 06:15:56

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/04/02 06:30:00 (permalink)
Installed 500W bios on my 3090 FTW3U finally out of raw curiosity, but it would appear I do have the "power" issue afterall... topped out around 475W in TimeSpy and around 480W in game testing unable to truely hit 500W, but PCIe was pulling 79W+ at times (spikes anyway). Probably not going to hurt anything as it is not sustained; but I am debating if I should enter into the replacement program or not.  I actually did NOT have the problem on the 450W bios and I can hit 450W with PCIe at 75W max (107% power slider), but of course this limits clocks because of how power hungry these chips are. It only now draws more on the PCIe after pushing past 450W toward 500W (119% power slider). So my board is probably on the fringe of the issue (as people seemed to have it on even the 450W bios unable to hit 450W).
 
Is there a true consensus here yet on if the replacement program has helped?  I see some people can pull 500W now; but at the cost of an even worse overclock.  Others seem to still have the same issue... and some have lucked out with stellar replacements.
 
I love this card, but thinking I am leaving performance on the table or perhaps that I have faulty hardware that is hurting my PCIe bus is eating at me.  After spending so much money on a great card, I'd hate to get a worse one back or get a "refurb" instead of a brand new product.
 
Curious what everyone's thoughts are or if they are in the same boat as me right now.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/04/02 06:41:54 (permalink)
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This whole RMA has been a nightmare The PCI-E slot problem is solved but now I have 250 chip instead of a 300 chip. The 250 chip should been used in 3080ti not the 3090 FTW3 Ultra.
 


Yeah, I feel you. FWIW, even though my new card boosts a little lower, my scores were all about the same when it was on air as the first one, though at a slightly higher power draw. And the PCIE slot pulls well under 75 watts.

Now with the hybrid cooler installed, benchmarks are consistently getting 200-300 points higher in Timespy Extreme and PR with lower temps and quieter fan curves.

While I was hoping for 15,000+ PR scores, I’m more around 14,300-14,600 with a cooler, quieter system. Previously, I was around 13,900-14,100 on air with the original card, so it is an improvement.

And, now I have a collector’s item (a chip with a crossed out label). 😂
post edited by Ronnzi - 2021/04/02 06:46:28
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/04/02 07:22:36 (permalink)
I just wish I could get the card to pull more than ~400w on the 500w BIOS...
 
 
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