Dabadger84
What sort of gains on clocks & FPS are you guys seeing from going from the stock FTW3 BIOS to the XOC one?
 
I'm seriously considering getting a 3090 FTW3 Hybrid when they're available to queue for again, just wanting to know what sort of delta I can expect between 3090 FE reviews on the 3090 FTW3's XOC performance... then add in some margin for the GPU temps being cooler due to the Hybrid cooler.
 
Got about 3 hours to make up my mind O_O

kristoferen

andressergio

kristoferen

andressergio
yes we tried it and it bricks the card and cause lots of troubles, use XC3 it works very good compared to XOC

Can you post a link to the working XC3 bios, please? At this point I'm willing to try pretty much anything.

Sure I use it for gaming and as I told before stable Metro Exodus and Cyberpunk 2077 ALL Ultra Settings 2100 (+85) / 10752 (+1000) not good for benching at least for me, but gaming I have weeks testing it and it's great. You will see that when the card touches 60C will start going from 2040 to 2085 or 2055 to 2100 but NEVER like XOC that goes to 1980 etc. The bettter you cool the card the better it'll work.


Here's the link: https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/225493/evga-rtx3090-24576-200902
 
Have fun, Sergio!
 
 

 
Thanks -- turns out that BIOS is super-crashy for me, even at stock settings. Back or original FTW3 Ultra BIOS with <400w power limit for me :( 

firstnomad

ckelas

firstnomad
Just chiming in here to add my experience: I purchased secondhand, but BNIB, an early-run 3090 FTW3 Ultra with red lips and a serial number beginning with 2014 (manufactured in Taiwan). It exhibited many of the same characteristics discussed in this thread and was perhaps one of the worst samples in comparison to those I've seen here - it would struggle to pull over 390W even on the stock OC BIOS with the power limit at 107%, and capped out at maybe 80W on the third 8-pin. The XOC BIOS only made it worse.
 
I called and spoke to a very accommodating service representative who wasn't familiar with the problem but was happy to hook me up with an RMA after a lengthy and detailed explanation of why power delivery isn't supposed to work like this.
 
Fast forward to today; I received the RMA - black lips this time, but still serialed 2014 and manufactured in Taiwan. It works perfectly - on the stock OC BIOS with power limit at 107% it sits right around 445W in Heaven with spikes up to ~460W. I honestly don't even have any inclination to flash the XOC BIOS at this point because heat is now my primary concern. 
 
I highly recommend anyone experiencing this problem just RMA their card and roll the dice on getting one that actually performs to spec. This is clearly a hardware problem with the early runs.

Thank you for sharing your experience bro. 
 
Can I please ask you to elaborate on your liaising with the representative?
What was it that you had to explain to them, and what did you tell them?

I simply explained its behavior: The PCIe slot was pulling power over spec (in my case, 83W; 8W over the standard of 75) while the third 8-pin was pulling a good ~40W lower than the other pins. Also in my case, the power limit was being hit while monitoring tools were still showing values under the appropriate setting. E.g. When the limit was placed at 107%, the power limit would engage with Precision still showing 97-98% consumption. I basically made the case that the 35-40W being lost off the third 8-pin pretty much directly corresponds to the proportion of power that is being "missed" by the monitoring tool, and furthermore suggested that there may be a blown sensor preventing the correct reading and affecting vBIOS behavior. I also mentioned the fact that this exact issue has been plaguing people on their forums, and that hardware revisions seem to be a factor.
 
I had called during after-hours support and the rep initially suggested that I could call back during regular hours the next day and speak to a technical service lead, but also conceded that it seemed like I knew more about the issue than he did and accepted my request to go ahead with the RMA regardless. He even upgraded it to a cross-ship RMA even though I have a secondhand card, and the new, correctly-functioning one got here in time for Cyberpunk.
 
 

Mathieas

I cannot find the FP/64 raytrace test in Aidia, is that a beta feature? Is this a cpu or gpu test?

Thank you sir!

JonnyVee

tobincake1471
 
Did you ever find a conclusive answer to this one?  I have a 3090 FTW3 Ultra and want to know what happens when I install the hybrid kit on it.  Will Precision X1 notice and prompt to install the hybrid firmware?  Or should I download the hybrid XOC from the first post and manually install it?

Never got an answer. Ended up buying the Hybrid today as I wanted the full warranty on the AIO pump. 

andressergio

firstnomad

ckelas

firstnomad
Just chiming in here to add my experience: I purchased secondhand, but BNIB, an early-run 3090 FTW3 Ultra with red lips and a serial number beginning with 2014 (manufactured in Taiwan). It exhibited many of the same characteristics discussed in this thread and was perhaps one of the worst samples in comparison to those I've seen here - it would struggle to pull over 390W even on the stock OC BIOS with the power limit at 107%, and capped out at maybe 80W on the third 8-pin. The XOC BIOS only made it worse.
 
I called and spoke to a very accommodating service representative who wasn't familiar with the problem but was happy to hook me up with an RMA after a lengthy and detailed explanation of why power delivery isn't supposed to work like this.
 
Fast forward to today; I received the RMA - black lips this time, but still serialed 2014 and manufactured in Taiwan. It works perfectly - on the stock OC BIOS with power limit at 107% it sits right around 445W in Heaven with spikes up to ~460W. I honestly don't even have any inclination to flash the XOC BIOS at this point because heat is now my primary concern. 
 
I highly recommend anyone experiencing this problem just RMA their card and roll the dice on getting one that actually performs to spec. This is clearly a hardware problem with the early runs.

Thank you for sharing your experience bro. 
 
Can I please ask you to elaborate on your liaising with the representative?
What was it that you had to explain to them, and what did you tell them?

I simply explained its behavior: The PCIe slot was pulling power over spec (in my case, 83W; 8W over the standard of 75) while the third 8-pin was pulling a good ~40W lower than the other pins. Also in my case, the power limit was being hit while monitoring tools were still showing values under the appropriate setting. E.g. When the limit was placed at 107%, the power limit would engage with Precision still showing 97-98% consumption. I basically made the case that the 35-40W being lost off the third 8-pin pretty much directly corresponds to the proportion of power that is being "missed" by the monitoring tool, and furthermore suggested that there may be a blown sensor preventing the correct reading and affecting vBIOS behavior. I also mentioned the fact that this exact issue has been plaguing people on their forums, and that hardware revisions seem to be a factor.
 
I had called during after-hours support and the rep initially suggested that I could call back during regular hours the next day and speak to a technical service lead, but also conceded that it seemed like I knew more about the issue than he did and accepted my request to go ahead with the RMA regardless. He even upgraded it to a cross-ship RMA even though I have a secondhand card, and the new, correctly-functioning one got here in time for Cyberpunk.
 
 

some folks returned the card and got a refurbished one with worse problems, so it's a hazzle, hope EVGA fix this soon

dam_j
"they don´t see a need to answer"
 
With now 2866 listings to this thread in there own support forum ?!

dam_j
At this point, is the 3090FE even worse or a good alternative to buy ??

slovak_killer
 
Dont even bother to RMA, since everyones trying to RMA so he can get better card the end result is that youre just swapping faulty cards between this forum members :D 

changboy
 Can you show a port royal benchmark of your msi supreme X please ? And also a gpuz total power draw of the board ?

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xian65
Long time member and long time lurker in this thread but a rare poster.
 
Throwing in my perspective, as others have said, it's the lack of communication that has made me nervous. No ownership publicly that a problem is there despite there being so many enthusiasts providing exhaustive data on how/where/when the problem manifests itself. I pulled the trigger on buying the card without going digging because 1. 3090's were selling out fast and 2. The EVGA reputation combined with the widely reported availability of a 500W BIOS when I'm going water cooling. Huge disappointment to find this thread and watched from when it was only 6 pages long to now at 96 with almost no re-assurance something is being done.
 
Personally, I've purchased an MSI Suprim X to replace my FTW3 Ultra because this has dragged on far too long. The FTW3 card will go on e-bay but the bitter taste of losing money due to it now being used will last a while (I'm in Australia and our return options are much more limited than in the States).
 
Testing the Suprim X last night, a very quick run through Heaven with +100 core, +800 mem, 107% power limit on the stock 450W completed with a higher score than I received after hours of tweaking on the FTW3 and power sat right on 440W to 455W, whole way through, just as you'd expect with average clock rates much closer to 2,000 than 1,900. Night and day compared to the all over the shop numbers from the FTW3. This is no longer my problem but for the love of god EVGA, help people feel like they haven't wasted the extra few hundred $$'s they've paid for an enthusiast version of an already enthusiast priced card.