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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/08 18:33:34 (permalink)
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 You didnt talk about ur overclocking procedure, but i can tell you, like actually i oc my ftw3 ultra at +115 and + 800 and if i apply +30 gpu core voltage, many games will run fine but others will crash sometimes for sure and if i apply +60 most of my game will run fine but 2 or 3 game will still crash after 10 or 30 minye, even hours after i start play and if i apply full +100 i have no crash with alllll games.
 
 If you oc ur cpu ram it can be the issue, even it pass stupid stability test, if your cpu cash is oc this can be also an issue.
Try disable oc on cpu and memory if you still have this issue. Sometime it can be a bad cable, pci cable, power cpu cable and is your psu is plug direct in the wall socket or if you plug it on cheap power bar and while your pc running you touch the psu plug and it feel hot. So many thing can happen, sometime its weird and really hard to catch a problem. Did you try gaming hours on another card and all is fine ? Is this problem begun with ur new graphik card ?


Ive run the cpus at stock, pbo, pbo edc bug and all core (4.2-4.3ghz)
Ram ive tried default and multiple different timings. Ran memtest, tm3, occt and all that jazz. 
The 3090 I can set anything from +0 to +160 core and +0 to +1000 on the memory. Regardless I get power limit, perfcap reason the whole time. Core will maintain 1920-1960. Ive even put my pc in the freezing garage and got worse results. 
It seems the gpu does better around ~60c.
Tried different wall plugs, surge protectors and power cables. 
My evga 1080 and loaner 2070 never had a problem like this. 
Ive been messing with this over the past few weeks. The card just isnt able to preform correctly.
I game for 35+ hours a week so im pretty familiar with my pc. 
Im still hopeful we can resolve this some way. 


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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/08 18:48:45 (permalink)
 Try stop oc your 3090 for 2 or 3 day and keep gaming, do you have the latest software to oc ur card, did you tried clean gpu drivers and réinstall it.
 
 Its possible a card can be defective and you have a warranty and you can open rma under your member product too.
 
Last week ive played 4 or 5 games without issue then played call of duty cold war...the campain crash at some point, the issue was my memory ram oc at 3400mhz from 3200mhz, call of duty use near all your ram and that was the issue, but on memory test my overclocking ram at 3400mhz pass all the way, i also can bench port royal 24/24 with my ram at 3400mhz coz its using small amount of ram. +190 oc on gpu seam high too me, i cant do that, max around +170. My memory i can do +1250 but i dont put this...just +800. Benchmark can pass with higher clock set but games didnt like this kind of oc for long session.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/08 19:16:55 (permalink)
If you want to play games use XC3 BIOS the best for all cards with no mods and Air, and maybe it will run better with a waterblock installed
If you want to bench use XOC or other BIOS posted early here and try to put the card to top on max 60C (see sensors on ICX) and pump the max you can on CPU and MEM with third timmings tweaked
 
Otherwise it's a waste of time.
 

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/08 19:23:41 (permalink)
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Last week ive played 4 or 5 games without issue then played call of duty cold war...the campain crash at some point, the issue was my memory ram oc at 3400mhz from 3200mhz, call of duty use near all your ram and that was the issue, but on memory test my overclocking ram at 3400mhz pass all the way, i also can bench port royal 24/24 with my ram at 3400mhz coz its using small amount of ram. +190 oc on gpu seam high too me, i cant do that, max around +170. My memory i can do +1250 but i dont put this...just +800. Benchmark can pass with higher clock set but games didnt like this kind of oc for long session.




If you want to game at high memory clocks with your GPU you must be first stable (you know this of course) but instead of using all the sh*tty software that's out there to test RAM just use Intel Burn Test on 10 passes AUTO, if you manage to pass that then turn the PC off, enter again and run it 5 passes then 10 again, if it's stable you are ready to go!!!
 
or...a much better way
 
Use AIDA64 and go straight to the FP32 RTX test and then FP64 RTX test if you get to pass that in that secuence at least 3 times you are also ready to go!!!
 
I've used these methods since ever and they work pretty perfect and fast.
 
btw: I forgot (and you may also already know  this) adjust MESH (if using Intel HEDT) or Ring Bus/ CPU Cache (If using Intel Desktop) + VCCSA and VCCIO Voltages
 
Cheers, Sergio!
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/08 19:53:35 (permalink)
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Also hit 500w running Port Royale:
 
 
 

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/08 20:55:36 (permalink)
hey i was woundering why i have the xoc bios with clocks of +160 on core and +700 with 100 on volt and max power at 119 but still barly touch 420 watts
 

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/08 21:03:35 (permalink)
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TheHyperMatrix hi :), what is the card in your hand now, coz you change your graphik card like i change t-shirt hehehe. I not sure if you have an hydro copper or a ftw3 ultra with hybrid kit or another one ?




Haha well I sold the Strix.  Have an FTW3 Hybrid right now.  Waiting for the FTW3 HydroCopper to ship out.  And still trying to get on the KingPin notify list.  :P

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/08 22:35:17 (permalink)

No problem! I heard back from the Product Management team. They noted that it is a beta bios, and as such may have bugs and issues still to be worked out so it may not work properly for everyone yet. They are working on an official release, and that they have enough data at this point. They don’t have an ETA though on when an official release will be available though.
 
I hope that helps!

 
Hope this helps, i for one am happy purely because they know there is a problem. So far im happy with the silicon just sucks it can get past 450w. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/08 23:01:23 (permalink)
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No problem! I heard back from the Product Management team. They noted that it is a beta bios, and as such may have bugs and issues still to be worked out so it may not work properly for everyone yet. They are working on an official release, and that they have enough data at this point. They don’t have an ETA though on when an official release will be available though.
 
I hope that helps!

 
Hope this helps, i for one am happy purely because they know there is a problem. So far im happy with the silicon just sucks it can get past 450w. 




What worries me is that EVGA is usually very quick with these types of fixes.  And the fact that it's affecting some cards and not others becomes even more concerning.  Just as an FYI though, if you flash the XC3 bios on your FTW3, you'll be able to pull around 500W-520W.  Software will only show max draw of about 300W, but it will indeed be 500W. 

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/08 23:30:52 (permalink)
Guys I'm still using PX1 Version 1.1.1 and NVIDIA Drivers 457.30, anyone noticed any improvements on new version of PX1 and new NVIDIA Drivers ?
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/08 23:32:51 (permalink)
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What worries me is that EVGA is usually very quick with these types of fixes.  And the fact that it's affecting some cards and not others becomes even more concerning.  Just as an FYI though, if you flash the XC3 bios on your FTW3, you'll be able to pull around 500W-520W.  Software will only show max draw of about 300W, but it will indeed be 500W. 




Highly doubt that can be fixed by BIOS bro as limitation is in the hardware, for me they will make a new board revision and then you guys that live in the US or Europe will be able to swap it, as for me that live in South America impossible to do it.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/08 23:36:43 (permalink)
I'd just like to point out that Jacob has updated this thread with the two new hybrid BIOSes, and not addressed the 500w elephant in the room.  'Any other questions or concerns will be answered in this forum thread only. Please post below your results and feedback!'  
 
We're all waiting for some answers... expensive answers.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/08 23:41:19 (permalink)
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I used the Update.exe in the front page for the FTW3 Hybrid OC. You earlier said it was 999,424 bytes. Now you are saying 999,224 bytes, which is it?
Are you sure the offset is 79A5E0 (7972320) bytes?


I'm so sorry, the first time was correct. I typo'd on the second one. The correct values is definitely 999,424 (976K) and the offset it definitely 79A5E0. I have a dozen or so BIOS files, they are all exactly that size, and I've tested 3 update.exe's. This is the process, and I just tested it successfully again 30 seconds ago (I'm a little surprised someone actually wants to go through with it, so I might as well write complete instructions)
 
1. In Hxd Editor, open or drag the update.exe
2. Menu Search/Go To..., then go to offset 79A5E0
3. Use menu Edit/Select Block
4. Change from "hex" to "dec" at bottom
5. Select "Length", and type "999424", click OK
6. Menu File/Save Selection, save file as a *.rom file
7. Run "nvflash64" on that rom file. You can use "--version" to just check the version, but if you just try to flash it, it will also ask you to confirm first, and you can cancel. Either method should demonstrate that the file is valid without risk. (But again, it is valid if done correctly - I just tested and even re-flashed - it definitely works)
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/09 02:11:51 (permalink)
Still can’t break 450w. (removed) is going on!?
 
 
edit by Cool GTX language removed per TOS
post edited by Cool GTX - 2020/12/09 05:55:25
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/09 02:38:18 (permalink)
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Still can’t break 450w. (removed) is going on!?

ok just do a memory offset and no core offset. my card will pull 485w just with a memory offset. if i do a core best i see is 465ish. Evga is leaving this thread to die.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/09 03:03:54 (permalink)
Weird have a 2014 serial and with stock and XOC bios, I can't even go over 400w on PR....
 
*edit* looks like PerfCap Reason is PWR, and PCIE slot is drawing 80w. Guess it's glitching out. Still can't believe I can't do 400w!
post edited by FHou - 2020/12/09 03:51:17
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/09 05:06:34 (permalink)
3090 ftw3 ultra. XOC OC. 400w...410w max here. 119% new power limit.
post edited by furfix - 2020/12/09 05:28:25
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/09 05:10:19 (permalink)
Hi guys.
I am new to the forum. 
I came here after watching some videos on youtube about 3090 FTW3 power draw. 
Currently running on a 1080ti FTW3 and I am expecting my 3090 FTW3 tomorrow. 
The rest of the machine is i9 10900K, maximus XII formula, 32gb corsair @ 3600MHz, and an HX1200i corsair psu. 
I understand that 3090ti is drawing too much power from the PCIE pins for most of the owners. 
So, please forgive my ignorance, but is this harmful for the motherboard?
Is there a way to mend this?
I am not crazy about overclocking. 
I just want to know whether my soon-to-be-installed 3090 FTW3 is safe for my system. 
What tools can I use to diagnose the issue (if it's there for my GPU)?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/09 05:57:58 (permalink)
 Here vidéo of guy who got a rtx-3090 kingpin and tell about is score on port royal is about 14 300 lol :
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuNTUvO6dl0
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/09 06:00:17 (permalink)
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Hi guys.
I am new to the forum. 
I came here after watching some videos on youtube about 3090 FTW3 power draw. 
Currently running on a 1080ti FTW3 and I am expecting my 3090 FTW3 tomorrow. 
The rest of the machine is i9 10900K, maximus XII formula, 32gb corsair @ 3600MHz, and an HX1200i corsair psu. 
I understand that 3090ti is drawing too much power from the PCIE pins for most of the owners. 
So, please forgive my ignorance, but is this harmful for the motherboard?
Is there a way to mend this?
I am not crazy about overclocking. 
I just want to know whether my soon-to-be-installed 3090 FTW3 is safe for my system. 
What tools can I use to diagnose the issue (if it's there for my GPU)?


Is there a way for the end user to fix out of PCIE spec slot power draw (75W) when the card is stock? No not really - an RMA is the only true fix. You can try undervolting and underclocking the card to bring it within spec, and that may work - but you aren't getting what you paid for.
 
Is it harmful? Potentially. Another user had their motherboard die along with a 2080 Ti Black that drew more than 80W from the PCIE slot. My first 3090 FTW3 Ultra would draw up to 82W average completely stock with spikes over 86W. I decided that that was too high for me to accept from a card when it was stock, so I RMAd and got one that draws around 76-77W average when stock.
 
You can use GPU-Z to find out the PCIE slot power draw.
post edited by arestavo - 2020/12/09 06:02:55
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/09 06:16:04 (permalink)
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ckelas
Hi guys.
I am new to the forum. 
I came here after watching some videos on youtube about 3090 FTW3 power draw. 
Currently running on a 1080ti FTW3 and I am expecting my 3090 FTW3 tomorrow. 
The rest of the machine is i9 10900K, maximus XII formula, 32gb corsair @ 3600MHz, and an HX1200i corsair psu. 
I understand that 3090ti is drawing too much power from the PCIE pins for most of the owners. 
So, please forgive my ignorance, but is this harmful for the motherboard?
Is there a way to mend this?
I am not crazy about overclocking. 
I just want to know whether my soon-to-be-installed 3090 FTW3 is safe for my system. 
What tools can I use to diagnose the issue (if it's there for my GPU)?


Is there a way for the end user to fix out of PCIE spec slot power draw (75W) when the card is stock? No not really - an RMA is the only true fix. You can try undervolting and underclocking the card to bring it within spec, and that may work - but you aren't getting what you paid for.
 
Is it harmful? Potentially. Another user had their motherboard die along with a 2080 Ti Black that drew more than 80W from the PCIE slot. My first 3090 FTW3 Ultra would draw up to 82W average completely stock with spikes over 86W. I decided that that was too high for me to accept from a card when it was stock, so I RMAd and got one that draws around 76-77W average when stock.
 
You can use to find out the PCIE slot power draw.




Thank you bro for the explanation. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/09 07:36:12 (permalink)
I flashed the stock 3090 FTW3 Ultra Hybrid OC VBIOS, then used the XOC Hybrid VBIOS updater from the first page here. Rebooted, installed the latest drivers (460.79) and ran Valley at 4K with the power slider maxed and no overclock. It shows power limited around 400W and I've been using it as a quick and dirty test to see if the XOC VBIOS is limited. Guess what? It still is.
 

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/09 08:21:19 (permalink)
I’m sorry for the lack of communication about the issue. With the 30 series launch we’ve been slammed with calls and emails in CS, and unfortunately when that happens one of the first things to slip is watching the forums. Apparently the PM team has been aware and watching the thread, but they never felt the need to say anything there. I’m still trying to get them to post something, but they’re busy as well and not responding as quickly to me as usual. I’m hoping I can get one of them to post something, or to let me to so we can help clear up the situation for everyone.

 
Just got another email from an EVGA rep, Naturally with a new card there is going to be issues. The fact they are well aware of it is good news and i for one am happy to wait for the finished product. Even at 450w these cards are performing in the top 1% so we can't really be too angry. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/09 11:45:36 (permalink)
I for one would just like some acknowledgment that their is a problem, and that their will be a solution. If not, I’d prefer to return this and buy the msi card or a STRIXX... At least the bios works on them.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/09 12:04:14 (permalink)
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I for one would just like some acknowledgment that their is a problem, and that their will be a solution. If not, I’d prefer to return this and buy the msi card or a STRIXX... At least the bios works on them.



In case of returning your card, where do you return it, the seller or EVGA directly??
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/09 12:16:30 (permalink)
The shop I bought it from. I really like the card. But I want to put it on water. Seems silly to do it to a card limited to 450w.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/09 12:19:22 (permalink)
This thread is so long now.
 
If I read this correctly, the "special 500w" overclocking bios hasn't been changed since Jacob released it, correct? And it seems as though people are have a hard (impossible) time reaching this max watt limit?
 
What do we consider a good "gpu score" for time spy/extreme for this card?
 
 
I look at scores online but it's just the leaderboard of youtubers, so I'm wondering where I sit:
extreme gpu score 9,960.
regular time spy gpu score 19,395...
 
Cpu is a 9900k atm so I don't think my composite scores are representative of the gpu as much I'm assuming.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/09 12:27:42 (permalink)
Just chiming in here to add my experience: I purchased secondhand, but BNIB, an early-run 3090 FTW3 Ultra with red lips and a serial number beginning with 2014 (manufactured in Taiwan). It exhibited many of the same characteristics discussed in this thread and was perhaps one of the worst samples in comparison to those I've seen here - it would struggle to pull over 390W even on the stock OC BIOS with the power limit at 107%, and capped out at maybe 80W on the third 8-pin. The XOC BIOS only made it worse.
 
I called and spoke to a very accommodating service representative who wasn't familiar with the problem but was happy to hook me up with an RMA after a lengthy and detailed explanation of why power delivery isn't supposed to work like this.
 
Fast forward to today; I received the RMA - black lips this time, but still serialed 2014 and manufactured in Taiwan. It works perfectly - on the stock OC BIOS with power limit at 107% it sits right around 445W in Heaven with spikes up to ~460W. I honestly don't even have any inclination to flash the XOC BIOS at this point because heat is now my primary concern. 
 
I highly recommend anyone experiencing this problem just RMA their card and roll the dice on getting one that actually performs to spec. This is clearly a hardware problem with the early runs.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/09 12:32:56 (permalink)
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Just chiming in here to add my experience: I purchased secondhand, but BNIB, an early-run 3090 FTW3 Ultra with red lips and a serial number beginning with 2014 (manufactured in Taiwan). It exhibited many of the same characteristics discussed in this thread and was perhaps one of the worst samples in comparison to those I've seen here - it would struggle to pull over 390W even on the stock OC BIOS with the power limit at 107%, and capped out at maybe 80W on the third 8-pin. The XOC BIOS only made it worse.
 
I called and spoke to a very accommodating service representative who wasn't familiar with the problem but was happy to hook me up with an RMA after a lengthy and detailed explanation of why power delivery isn't supposed to work like this.
 
Fast forward to today; I received the RMA - black lips this time, but still serialed 2014 and manufactured in Taiwan. It works perfectly - on the stock OC BIOS with power limit at 107% it sits right around 445W in Heaven with spikes up to ~460W. I honestly don't even have any inclination to flash the XOC BIOS at this point because heat is now my primary concern. 
 
I highly recommend anyone experiencing this problem just RMA their card and roll the dice on getting one that actually performs to spec. This is clearly a hardware problem with the early runs.




Thank you for sharing your experience bro. 
 
Can I please ask you to elaborate on your liaising with the representative?
What was it that you had to explain to them, and what did you tell them?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/09 12:51:04 (permalink)
Hey folks - been reading this chat intensely. I am hoping someone can provide advice
 
My setup: EVGA FTW3 Ultra, 8700K at 5.0GHz on Z370 board, 32GB ram, fully watercooled system (except gcard) 
PSU is a 1200W Corsair Platinum and I am using individual cables for the three power connectors
 
My card has been blackscreening when I apply anything above default. Cannot finish 3DMark, RDR2 or Valley benchmarks. Reset needed
Defaults seem to be ok, and when she is running, it's magical. It's the best single card I have owned
I use HWINFO64 to monitor power etc and I see max 425W
I also flashed to the OC BIOS on the first page
 
What is the typical cause? Is the card faulty?
Is it worth flashing the XO3 bios instead? I dont want to push it tbh. Happy just gaming. I'll leave benching to the professionals
 
Huge thanks in advance
post edited by BaDBoY_uK - 2020/12/09 12:53:27
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