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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/30 14:32:50
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Yep, just confirmed to have a Taiwan board and don't see past 450W in most benchmarks. Interesting, so it's not silicon lottery and more where the board was initially manufactured?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/30 14:54:29
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In what benchmark? Notchy444
MaxTheOwl
@Notchy444
But I can get 435-440 watts average on a taiwan board (stock oc bios).
I have 3 china boards all working perfectly with 500 watt Avg. Seems like Taiwan boards do not work as often as China boards from my research on this threat over the past 3 weeks.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/30 14:56:05
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Den-ko
Yep, just confirmed to have a Taiwan board and don't see past 450W in most benchmarks. Interesting, so it's not silicon lottery and more where the board was initially manufactured?
Not necessarily, but based on the small sample size of people reporting in, it's more likely that China boards will work. I have one China and one Taiwan and they both exceed 460W with the XOC bios, though my China sample clocks better.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/30 14:59:11
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I have the kingpin 3090, where do I get the classified tool?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/30 15:00:28
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How do I check if my GPU was made in China or Taiwan or whatever?
Just check the UPC label on your box. It will say Made in Taiwan or Made in China and the first digits of the SN will be 2014 or 2012.
Mine is 2012 so that’s China? My chip is a beast, top 1% in Timespy Graphics for a single 3090 so I really hope nothing goes wrong with it.
what is your score?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/30 15:01:25
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ninshoo
EVGA WHERE ARE YOU!!
At this point, it's likely to just be what it is right this second: a beta that they can say is a beta, and it may or may not work. Protect margins, yadda yadda.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/30 15:01:37
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swinemulefoot
I have the kingpin 3090, where do I get the classified tool?
Nobody answer until this one gives us a bios dump! :D
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/30 15:02:16
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Could actually indicate that the China board is lower quality and not actually doing what Evga intends
Also, i just want to throw this out there. Originally my scores jumped over 100points by using the cheap Thermaltake riser (the $30 one).
I tested over and over again. I compared it to the expensive Thermaltake riser ($60-$70) as well as pluging direct into mobo.
The nice riser and direct method continuously scored lower than the cheap riser in benchmarks.
My theory, the cheap riser was actually pulling more watts from the slot. Even 1-5watts more can have a significant impact on these FTW3 cards based on how to multiplier/power balancing works
so these dudes with the china boards might be celebrating but im not sure it's a good thing.
No? They’re drawing the proper wattage that the bios is targeting
well, the reason i pointed out the riser thing is that the crappy riser was outputting incorrect draw. Even though there is a benefit (more watts being pulled) I think that has more to do with the lower quality of the riser. Thats my point about the chinese board I see what your saying that they're drawing correct bios target but im not exactly sure thats what evga wants, thats why i am actually concerned about the China board. I'm convinced these Taiwanese pcbs are what Evga actually wants out in the wild I actually believe Evga doesnt want the Ftw3 to compete with the kingpin There isnt much difference between 500w and 525w. If you notice not only the bios but the lack of a header to implement an elmore evc2 I believe both of these are intentional as the power draw and bios are pretty much the only real differences between the 2 cards in terms of actual performance benefit you will see at the mainstream level
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/30 15:10:12
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kvswim
Den-ko
Yep, just confirmed to have a Taiwan board and don't see past 450W in most benchmarks. Interesting, so it's not silicon lottery and more where the board was initially manufactured?
Not necessarily, but based on the small sample size of people reporting in, it's more likely that China boards will work. I have one China and one Taiwan and they both exceed 460W with the XOC bios, though my China sample clocks better.
can you confirm your China pcb sample can run furmark like this sample run i was able to run with my Taiwan based PCB? a 1 minute run would be be more suitable to confirm for those that are trying to track a possible difference between PCB origins... The goal would be to show an average of 490w or more for the 500w beta, I ask this cause it is not a matter of exceeding 460-470w or even spiking to 500w, what matters is the sustained power draw held regardless of temp, clock, voltage. https://forums.evga.com/download.axd?file=0;3135120&filename=1.pnghttps://forums.evga.com/download.axd?file=1;3135120&filename=2.png
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/30 15:10:31
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/30 15:16:11
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you shouldnt need furmark to measure power draw accurately
If you cant pull and HOLD 500w on timespy extreme i have bad news for you, the bios simply doesnt work at intended 500w
a lot of dreamers in this thread
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/30 15:25:25
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xxDarkxx
you shouldnt need furmark to measure power draw accurately
If you cant pull and HOLD 500w on timespy extreme i have bad news for you, the bios simply doesnt work at intended 500w
a lot of dreamers in this thread
its light weight and quick to run, just saying... i have no issues drawing and holding 700w+ on my ftw
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/30 15:30:57
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i know, i recognize you from the overclock.net forums I believe you and I have 2 of the highest scoring ftw3s to date and both of them are Taiwanese boards I pulled this back on 10/22 using the old 450w bios. stock everything https://www.3dmark.com/pr/423566 obviously now a lot higher and my hwinfo is reporting up to 850w in TSE and ~750w just using heaven.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/30 15:37:29
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drunknfoo
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Yep, just confirmed to have a Taiwan board and don't see past 450W in most benchmarks. Interesting, so it's not silicon lottery and more where the board was initially manufactured?
Not necessarily, but based on the small sample size of people reporting in, it's more likely that China boards will work. I have one China and one Taiwan and they both exceed 460W with the XOC bios, though my China sample clocks better.
can you confirm your China pcb sample can run furmark like this sample run i was able to run with my Taiwan based PCB?
a 1 minute run would be be more suitable to confirm for those that are trying to track a possible difference between PCB origins...
The goal would be to show an average of 490w or more for the 500w beta, I ask this cause it is not a matter of exceeding 460-470w or even spiking to 500w, what matters is the sustained power draw held regardless of temp, clock, voltage.
https://forums.evga.com/download.axd?file=0;3135120&filename=1.png
https://forums.evga.com/download.axd?file=1;3135120&filename=2.png
2012 card. This is a few minutes of running Furmark at 5120x1440, no core offsets but voltage and power turned up to max. Have I been lying to myself? Playing with the idea of just saying screw it and shunt modding the card once EK decides to finally release the FTW3 block.  edit: and this is after a little while of idling in Doom Eternal 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/30 15:39:24
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xxDarkxx
i know, i recognize you from the overclock.net forums
I believe you and I have 2 of the highest scoring ftw3s to date and both of them are Taiwanese boards
I pulled this back on 10/22 using the old 450w bios. stock everything
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/423566
obviously now a lot higher and my hwinfo is reporting up to 850w in TSE and ~750w just using heaven.
I mean the request doesnt take long. it would just help solidify that the china based pcbs function properly with this beta build. The more sources and confirmations the better... Just questioned the poster due to the choice of words used... That said, ya this practice doesnt change the fact that nothing really changes.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/30 15:48:05
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In what benchmark?
Notchy444
MaxTheOwl
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But I can get 435-440 watts average on a taiwan board (stock oc bios).
I have 3 china boards all working perfectly with 500 watt Avg. Seems like Taiwan boards do not work as often as China boards from my research on this threat over the past 3 weeks.
Furmark, port royal, Quake 2 RTX list goes on. Any benchmark it Avg 500 and peaks at 522w
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/30 16:41:37
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mine is taiwan. Furmark 400-420w. RDR2 uses 460w
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/30 16:47:58
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Furmark, port royal, Quake 2 RTX list goes on. Any benchmark it Avg 500 and peaks at 522w
If this is true, the answer is simple. It simply depends on the chip quality.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/30 17:06:57
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xgiovio
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Furmark, port royal, Quake 2 RTX list goes on. Any benchmark it Avg 500 and peaks at 522w
If this is true, the answer is simple. It simply depends on the chip quality.
Poor silicon does not influence how much power is drawn.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/30 17:12:08
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Furmark, port royal, Quake 2 RTX list goes on. Any benchmark it Avg 500 and peaks at 522w
If this is true, the answer is simple. It simply depends on the chip quality.
Poor silicon does not influence how much power is drawn.
Do you remember in the early days of october when youtubers started to report some crashes? At the beginning the culprit was given to the caps on cpu back. Producers like evga said that they only received a stability test from nvidia and for them there was no crash. When the cards arrived on the market, on real world scenario there were crashes. Nvidia resolved the matter capping the maximum frequency the cards could achieve with a driver update. Now I'm not an expert but maybe a lot of absorbtion could dipend from the gpu itself, maybe better and worse chips. Driver could prevent the gpu from absorbing more amperes, even if it has more power room from the pcb itself. Maybe I'm wrong.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/30 17:32:35
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Notchy444
Furmark, port royal, Quake 2 RTX list goes on. Any benchmark it Avg 500 and peaks at 522w
If this is true, the answer is simple. It simply depends on the chip quality.
Poor silicon does not influence how much power is drawn.
Do you remember in the early days of october when youtubers started to report some crashes? At the beginning the culprit was given to the caps on cpu back. Producers like evga said that they only received a stability test from nvidia and for them there was no crash. When the cards arrived on the market, on real world scenario there were crashes. Nvidia resolved the matter capping the maximum frequency the cards could achieve with a driver update.
Now I'm not an expert but maybe a lot of absorbtion could dipend from the gpu itself, maybe better and worse chips. Driver could prevent the gpu from absorbing more amperes, even if it has more power room from the pcb itself.
Maybe I'm wrong.
Wrong, or else my 3 cards wouldn't work. GPu chips are not limiting the power. Its 100% down to the hardware being different from China boards or Taiwan cards.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/30 19:27:42
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swinemulefoot
I have the kingpin 3090, where do I get the classified tool?
Nice, classy tool should be available next week, btw can u share your LN2 bios for us please ? :D
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/30 20:04:39
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kvswim
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Yep, just confirmed to have a Taiwan board and don't see past 450W in most benchmarks. Interesting, so it's not silicon lottery and more where the board was initially manufactured?
Not necessarily, but based on the small sample size of people reporting in, it's more likely that China boards will work. I have one China and one Taiwan and they both exceed 460W with the XOC bios, though my China sample clocks better.
can you confirm your China pcb sample can run furmark like this sample run i was able to run with my Taiwan based PCB?
a 1 minute run would be be more suitable to confirm for those that are trying to track a possible difference between PCB origins...
The goal would be to show an average of 490w or more for the 500w beta, I ask this cause it is not a matter of exceeding 460-470w or even spiking to 500w, what matters is the sustained power draw held regardless of temp, clock, voltage.
https://forums.evga.com/download.axd?file=0;3135120&filename=1.png
https://forums.evga.com/download.axd?file=1;3135120&filename=2.png
2012 card. This is a few minutes of running Furmark at 5120x1440, no core offsets but voltage and power turned up to max. Have I been lying to myself? Playing with the idea of just saying screw it and shunt modding the card once EK decides to finally release the FTW3 block.
edit: and this is after a little while of idling in Doom Eternal
might as well if you can keep the temps under control
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/30 20:07:55
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swinemulefoot
I have the kingpin 3090, where do I get the classified tool?
upload the bios to techpowerups? i think all of us would like to see if it works with the ftw3 or not i asked jayz2cents to do so, but he refused, saying it's not compatible... But I can only assume he just said that cause of accountability.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/30 20:14:39
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Thank you, I was confused I didn’t see it anywhere and just wasn’t quite understanding why, I’ll see about uploading the bios sometime this week, but I had asked EVGA previously and they said it is not compatible FyI
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/30 20:19:23
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swinemulefoot
Thank you, I was confused I didn’t see it anywhere and just wasn’t quite understanding why, I’ll see about uploading the bios sometime this week, but I had asked EVGA previously and they said it is not compatible FyI
Ofc nobody is gonna tell u its compatible, on paper it isnt (different pcb, ic, power delivery) in reality ? U can crossflash as much as u want :D heck we are crossflashing XC3 2x8pin onto ftw3. Its fine, bios is just for powerlimit anyways, and if theyve changed some timings we might also see improved scores. Please upload it asap if possible :) It literally takes like 1min of your time, opening gpuz and clicking upload. (LN2 520W pls)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/30 20:23:55
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ya takes less than a minute
anyway, ya you're better off to wait for the official release for the 3090 KP classified, if you weren't provided instructions on where to obtain it
the screenshot i just posted was for the 1080 lol, i hit apply, nothing happened bahahaha
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/30 22:54:05
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besides it either going over 450w or not depending on where the board was made. Have there been any problems, i.e. is it safe to upgrade it to this bios? I have the 2014 Taiwanese made card and thought I would try my luck but wanted to make sure it has not be causing problems / making things worse before I do the upgrade.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/30 23:46:24
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swinemulefoot
Thank you, I was confused I didn’t see it anywhere and just wasn’t quite understanding why, I’ll see about uploading the bios sometime this week, but I had asked EVGA previously and they said it is not compatible FyI
Don't worry they also think its a silicon issue so lets be honest they aint too sharp right now. cuniac
besides it either going over 450w or not depending on where the board was made. Have there been any problems, i.e. is it safe to upgrade it to this bios? I have the 2014 Taiwanese made card and thought I would try my luck but wanted to make sure it has not be causing problems / making things worse before I do the upgrade.
I have the same card, the bios causes no problems its just the power is still capped at 107% even if the slider is up to 119.
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