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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/21 16:35:22
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R3L3NTL3SS My serial is 2012. Is the Chinese ones supposed to be better or something? Dunno if related or not, but my card seems to be a beast. I boost at 1960-1990 in games and it doesn't budge with no OC at all. And at those clock speeds, it never goes higher than mid 60's with fans at only 40-50%.
Can you provide the first 10 numbers (these aren't your uniques so don't worry. Is it 2012x33987? Just need the x
20125
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/21 16:37:19
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OK so 4th and 5th digits are the difference. 41=Taiwan, 25=China. Notchy to confirm?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/21 16:38:19
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i think you guys are grasping at straws here... take some hi-res shots of the pcb front and back and compare it with one another....
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/21 16:41:04
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mine is still pending review. I mean I suppose legally they have no obligation here...but morally....it's pretty terrible for them to start out as 450 w power target, then immediately release a 500 w BIOS to literally one up the 480w (functional) strix BIOS, now keep in mind this 500 w BIOS made internet headlines and is now listed on literally every big review site as a feature, and knowingly or unknowingly have like half of the cards (sold and unsold) physically gimped permanently to 450. and their response to you discovering that this, listed on major internet reviews and articles feature, does not work on your card and never will is "hey we never said that would work." but i kind of feel it was implied so strongly that a class action lawsuit could easily be won.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/21 16:42:11
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Hey guys, So i did some testing with the 2 pin Gigabyte bios and the 500w bios on my ftw3 and found that in GT1 of TimeSpy Extreme, the 2 pin pulls 694w (from the wall) and the 500w bios pulls 619w (from the wall) which amounts to a ~75w improvement. The indicated wattage of the 500w bios was also ~430w so it seems the 2 pin bios allows the cards to pull the full 500w. I saw an 85w improvement In GT2 from the wall. 2 pin bios also helped me become the highest non ln2 score on PR ;) Best 2 Pin Score: 3dmarkCOM/pr/514398 Best 500w Score: 3dmarkCOM/pr/458744
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/21 16:42:19
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R3L3NTL3SS My serial is 2012. Is the Chinese ones supposed to be better or something? Dunno if related or not, but my card seems to be a beast. I boost at 1960-1990 in games and it doesn't budge with no OC at all. And at those clock speeds, it never goes higher than mid 60's with fans at only 40-50%.
run a benchmark with gpu-z in the background, what is total board power draw avg and max, pcie power and the 3 8 pin power readings
I should note that I didn't not do the 450 watt bios. My entire card, BIOS and all is 100% stock with no OC. Not sure if any of my data would be of any help. lol
you'd have to turn up the power limit/temp limit in either precision x1 or afterburner on the 500w XOC BIOS for relevant data but you a key data entry point right now edit: typo
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/21 16:45:32
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anyway ill provide this input sn 20141333 toggling random settings and rebooting randomly, was able to pull 490w continuous avg and peak over 500w prior to any hardmods on furmark (you can go back to find my avg and current screenshots of one run... was hard/impossible to replicate and was random... on avg i saw anywhere from 430w-470w based on reboots as voltage and power draw randomly changes between cold reboots for some reason
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/21 16:45:36
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Serial number beginning in 2014 for me. Does not pull 500W even using XOC bios.
Core i9 10980XE @ 4.7 GHz RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra 2x Optane 905p 480GB 4x32GB Corsair Vengeance Pro DDR4-3200 CL16
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/21 16:48:25
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my buddy's location code is 25.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/21 16:54:11
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My srial is this : 2014133987 and taiwan on my box. What setting i need run kumbustor to see if my card ok ?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/21 16:54:28
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Those with 2014 that are not getting RMA approval. Put the original BIOS on and stress test the cards. See if PCIE goes above 75w, then it should get approved, I would think... Mine sits around 73-74 but still spikes above 80w. I know most are concerned with the OC power draw of 500w but the real problem is the power balance with the board pulling power from PCIE slot.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/21 16:55:22
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drunknfoo i think you guys are grasping at straws here... take some hi-res shots of the pcb front and back and compare it with one another....
Nope, not grasping at straws the scores are like 4-5 500 W 20125 Chinese and Like 12 430-60 maybe peaks 470 w sn 20141 Taiwan. not 1 Taiwanese 500w period
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/21 16:59:11
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drunknfoo i think you guys are grasping at straws here... take some hi-res shots of the pcb front and back and compare it with one another....
Nope, not grasping at straws the scores are like 4-5 500 W 20125 Chinese and Like 12 430-60 maybe peaks 470 w sn 20141 Taiwan. not 1 Taiwanese 500w period
ok but i have a 14 and was able to draw 490-500+w a few times
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/21 17:00:27
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willm1224
drunknfoo i think you guys are grasping at straws here...
take some hi-res shots of the pcb front and back and compare it with one another....
Nope, not grasping at straws the scores are like 4-5 500 W 20125 Chinese and Like 12 430-60 maybe peaks 470 w sn 20141 Taiwan. not 1 Taiwanese 500w period
ok but i have a 14 and was able to draw 490-500+w a few times
That’s not the same. They draw 500 every time all the time.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/21 17:01:36
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/21 17:10:06
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drunknfoo isee
Something to do with when our cards pcie3 power get near 85 C (when that happens we get like 142 for the 3 pins and over 503w) this is detected and it forces it back down to 75-77 then it tries to climb again. The other cards just rock the 85 C and hold
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/21 17:12:11
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bret0213 Those with 2014 that are not getting RMA approval. Put the original BIOS on and stress test the cards. See if PCIE goes above 75w, then it should get approved, I would think... Mine sits around 73-74 but still spikes above 80w. I know most are concerned with the OC power draw of 500w but the real problem is the power balance with the board pulling power from PCIE slot.
It was his 2nd RMA, my first has yet to be denied. my card definitely pulls over 75 W from the pcie on OC or XOC
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/21 17:13:29
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My first rma was because my card didn't even pull 400w on OC or XOC. Something was seriously wrong with it. This one just doesn't pull over 450w
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/21 17:13:36
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arcky Got some additional data from another forum/member.
First two digits: Year Manufactured Third digit: Product type (1 being graphics card). Fourth, Fifth: What factory the product was built at? So '20' = 2020, 1=GPU, XX = factory, 3=3 year warranty, 3987 = 3090 FTW3 Ultra Mine is 41 (2014133987) Notchy - what is yours?
Welp mine is: 2012533987 Confirming mine is indeed different manufacture location. Let me check my friends SN number to 100% confirm different locations and SN numbers with 100% working 500 watt average in benchmarks not peak.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/21 17:15:15
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bret0213 Those with 2014 that are not getting RMA approval. Put the original BIOS on and stress test the cards. See if PCIE goes above 75w, then it should get approved, I would think... Mine sits around 73-74 but still spikes above 80w. I know most are concerned with the OC power draw of 500w but the real problem is the power balance with the board pulling power from PCIE slot.
Im sorry but even at 85 watts that is not a issue for PCI e slot to handle. The issue is not this tbh, I know frame chasers WANTS to be right but I do not think it is the PCI E power load balancing.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/21 17:19:58
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arcky OK so 4th and 5th digits are the difference. 41=Taiwan, 25=China. Notchy to confirm?
confirmed
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/21 17:23:36
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willm1224 mine is still pending review. I mean I suppose legally they have no obligation here...but morally....it's pretty terrible for them to start out as 450 w power target, then immediately release a 500 w BIOS to literally one up the 480w (functional) strix BIOS, now keep in mind this 500 w BIOS made internet headlines and is now listed on literally every big review site as a feature, and knowingly or unknowingly have like half of the cards (sold and unsold) physically gimped permanently to 450. and their response to you discovering that this, listed on major internet reviews and articles feature, does not work on your card and never will is "hey we never said that would work." but i kind of feel it was implied so strongly that a class action lawsuit could easily be won.
Ehh... Through my post history it's clear I'm not some EVGA fanboy. That said, I dont really see how EVGA is in the wrong here. The bottom line is at the end of the day, EVGA does not explicitly advertise anywhere that any given card will hit a certain power draw as a feature (that i know of). ESPECIALLY not a power draw that goes way beyond what it goes to out the box. Seems to me that if they hit their minimum advertised boost clock - then EVGA has lived up to what they claim the card will do from a performance standpoint. I dunno. Just don't see how you can he mad at them beyond that. It does what they say its supposed to do. If you get anything more, you just got lucky IMO. But hey, I'm not an overclocker and I'm personally more than happy with my FTW3. It boosts to nearly 2000mhz with ease and never budges. That's way more than EVGA promised me with the advertised 1800mhz. I'll take my extra, be happy, and move on.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/21 17:25:37
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So, it's looking like not only are the "25" cards able to pull >500W, the 8 pin power connectors also have their own power limit of >161W! But we still do not know what the PCIE slot limit is. If it's 85W-90W, that's limiting the 8 pin. If the 8 pin limit is 161W, then that's limiting the PCIE because the 8 pin is triggering the power limit. This is also assuming the "TDP Limit" isn't triggering the power limit first. Each individual rail has its own power limit. So that means the card is technically capable hardware wise of pulling 161W * 3 + 85W=568W! This assumes that we know what the 8 pin triggers its own power limit at. I believe the FE cards trigger power limit at 150W at 100% and 170W at 112%. I "believe" the PCIE slot limit is 68W.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/21 17:25:52
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2014 Taiwan 450W lock only XC3 bios make good result Never see that on other constructor, EVGA you must do anything!
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/21 17:34:19
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willm1224 mine is still pending review. I mean I suppose legally they have no obligation here...but morally....it's pretty terrible for them to start out as 450 w power target, then immediately release a 500 w BIOS to literally one up the 480w (functional) strix BIOS, now keep in mind this 500 w BIOS made internet headlines and is now listed on literally every big review site as a feature, and knowingly or unknowingly have like half of the cards (sold and unsold) physically gimped permanently to 450. and their response to you discovering that this, listed on major internet reviews and articles feature, does not work on your card and never will is "hey we never said that would work." but i kind of feel it was implied so strongly that a class action lawsuit could easily be won.
Ehh... Through my post history it's clear I'm not some EVGA fanboy. That said, I dont really see how EVGA is in the wrong here. The bottom line is at the end of the day, EVGA does not explicitly advertise anywhere that any given card will hit a certain power draw as a feature (that i know of). ESPECIALLY not a power draw that goes way beyond what it goes to out the box. Seems to me that if they hit their minimum advertised boost clock - then EVGA has lived up to what they claim the card will do from a performance standpoint. I dunno. Just don't see how you can he mad at them beyond that. It does what they say its supposed to do. If you get anything more, you just got lucky IMO. But hey, I'm not an overclocker and I'm personally more than happy with my FTW3. It boosts to nearly 2000mhz with ease and never budges. That's way more than EVGA promised me with the advertised 1800mhz. I'll take my extra, be happy, and move on.
bc my card is inferior in a big way to other identical cards of the same sku, this is build quality not silicon lottery and I just spent 2 grand, if 2 different factories are producing 2 different quality products of identical name and variety and nobody knows what they’re going to get are you seriously telling me it’s no big deal, aren’t they then according to market standards allowing sub par units to be produced. If this pans out (so far it just keeps being confirmed) I don’t know how you can’t objectively say this isnt a huge problem, it would affect sales. There are two different FTW3 ultra 3090s being sold right now: 500w capable and 450 hardlocked. They’re sold at the same price and you don’t get to choose which you get. Complacent people like you are why this stuff happens, bc they know you’ll just accept it and roll over. Edit: grammar
post edited by willm1224 - 2020/11/21 17:43:15
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/21 17:35:08
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willm1224 mine is still pending review. I mean I suppose legally they have no obligation here...but morally....it's pretty terrible for them to start out as 450 w power target, then immediately release a 500 w BIOS to literally one up the 480w (functional) strix BIOS, now keep in mind this 500 w BIOS made internet headlines and is now listed on literally every big review site as a feature, and knowingly or unknowingly have like half of the cards (sold and unsold) physically gimped permanently to 450. and their response to you discovering that this, listed on major internet reviews and articles feature, does not work on your card and never will is "hey we never said that would work." but i kind of feel it was implied so strongly that a class action lawsuit could easily be won.
Ehh... Through my post history it's clear I'm not some EVGA fanboy. That said, I dont really see how EVGA is in the wrong here. The bottom line is at the end of the day, EVGA does not explicitly advertise anywhere that any given card will hit a certain power draw as a feature (that i know of). ESPECIALLY not a power draw that goes way beyond what it goes to out the box. Seems to me that if they hit their minimum advertised boost clock - then EVGA has lived up to what they claim the card will do from a performance standpoint. I dunno. Just don't see how you can he mad at them beyond that. It does what they say its supposed to do. If you get anything more, you just got lucky IMO. But hey, I'm not an overclocker and I'm personally more than happy with my FTW3. It boosts to nearly 2000mhz with ease and never budges. That's way more than EVGA promised me with the advertised 1800mhz. I'll take my extra, be happy, and move on.
While your point is rational, you have to understand that everyone buying a ftw3 ultra is literally buying the top end card (sans kingpin) that evga provides. So when they drop a bios and say the power limit is 500w yet I have 20-40w lower than on the stock bios, it tells me something is wrong. Especially if many others hit the 500w mark without an issue. I guess I understand that evga denied my RMA but it still sucks.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/21 17:35:21
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Kylearan So, it's looking like not only are the "25" cards able to pull >500W, the 8 pin power connectors also have their own power limit of >161W! But we still do not know what the PCIE slot limit is. If it's 85W-90W, that's limiting the 8 pin. If the 8 pin limit is 161W, then that's limiting the PCIE because the 8 pin is triggering the power limit. This is also assuming the "TDP Limit" isn't triggering the power limit first. Each individual rail has its own power limit. So that means the card is technically capable hardware wise of pulling 161W * 3 + 85W=568W! This assumes that we know what the 8 pin triggers its own power limit at. I believe the FE cards trigger power limit at 150W at 100% and 170W at 112%. I "believe" the PCIE slot limit is 68W.
I dont think youve seen this :D
EXTREME OVERCLOCKER FROM SLOVAKIA my FTW3 related dc: discord.gg/kRSfJbvs9k
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/21 17:46:42
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rgarodnick : Some other guy said it, Get the stock OC Bios on there and show them that you draw more than 75 W from pcie power during load, they’ll take it back then on a different premise. Although it’s the same premise, but worded differently.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/21 17:49:52
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bavor I wonder if cards after a certain production date have a better chance of hitting close to 500 watts? I have the 500W XOC BIOS on this card and I'm averaging 470+ average watts in Furmark and getting 460+ watts average in Quake II RTX
Well I can see your problem.... this is a oc bios and you have 0 overclock. Turn the core up to 150+ and mem up 850+ and I’m sure you will see a much higher average.
Actually, when I increase the voltage, GPU clocks and memory speed, the card draws less power in furmark.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/21 17:51:07
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My RMA still not denied, yours was closed immediately I am hopeful. Just let them get it as a sample to understand the problem I mean they should have ample samples but ya never know maybe they can’t reproduce our 2014 woes
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