I can’t check mine until I get home tomorrow night, but I’m in the “450 limited” camp. I have a water block on order that will likely show up in a couple weeks. When I have the card disassembled, I will take a ton of closeup pics of the pcb. It would be awesome if someone could do the same on a card that does hit 500... assuming anyone here has one that is going on water. It would be great to be able to compare components in detail.

I know that if I came here, grabbed the xoc bios, and it worked as advertised, I would have no reason to have returned to this thread. I’m sure there are plenty of people with working xoc bios’ that are not bothering to check in on this thread, and alternately, have tried the bios, see that they can now move the slider to 119 power, and assume it is working when in reality it isn’t. Those people also have no reason to pay attention to this thread.

I also have a waterblock coming in the next few weeks or so. Id prefer a non defective card before I take it apart to put a block on if possible

rgarodnick
I also have a waterblock coming in the next few weeks or so. Id prefer a non defective card before I take it apart to put a block on if possible

Yea forreal, do all that work and still can’t add more than 440w, no thank you. I just want a card with the same build quality and performance (outside of silicon lottery/mem) as the exact same card others have? Too much to ask for? I don’t think so

willm1224

Jarmel
This is probably the point where EVGA needs to be honest because if people start pulling apart their cards and finding out there are differences between the Chinese and Taiwanese versions, I imagine a lot of people are going to be pissed.

Yea and EVGA did NOTHING, ignored my tweets, brushed off my phone calls, silent in the forums (publicly) to look for a cause or even acknowledge a problem exists. me and notchy were on here all night and it took till this morning to sort out the Taiwan/China potentiality, it’s like it’s not happening and the KINGPIN IS FOR SALE YAAAAALLLL

chill :D I spent whole two days testing too. We need more samples to confirm this situation. 

RMA #2 submitted. If it's 2014xxxxxxx then I'll probably just ship it right back to them and rma again

Jarmel

arestavo
Just remember that the silicon lottery WILL affect performance more than 50 or 60W extra pulled.
 
What I am getting at is that my 420W average card (440W average at most under extreme 8K conditions) can still overclock +220 on the core for (some) benchmarks. Can't quite keep 2100MHz stable on air for benchmarking, but I'm looking forward to getting this under an AiO cooler. I bet that there are quite a few 500W capable Chinese manufactured 3090 FTW3s that can't do that.

Are the temps the main problem when you're overclocking at those numbers? I'm looking at a Hybrid.

Well, dropping bins yes - but it's not overheating. Gaming I still see around 72C max and the fans rarely spin up to 75% (that's the fan curve that I have set in AB with the XC3 VBIOS). Benchmarks tip past 60C even with max fans on the XC3.

whaleboy_2048
I can’t check mine until I get home tomorrow night, but I’m in the “450 limited” camp. I have a water block on order that will likely show up in a couple weeks. When I have the card disassembled, I will take a ton of closeup pics of the pcb. It would be awesome if someone could do the same on a card that does hit 500... assuming anyone here has one that is going on water. It would be great to be able to compare components in detail.

I know that if I came here, grabbed the xoc bios, and it worked as advertised, I would have no reason to have returned to this thread. I’m sure there are plenty of people with working xoc bios’ that are not bothering to check in on this thread, and alternately, have tried the bios, see that they can now move the slider to 119 power, and assume it is working when in reality it isn’t. Those people also have no reason to pay attention to this thread.

This has so much win in it lol. So I will be ordering a block ASAP once one comes available and I will make sure to take plenty of pics of the PCB since my cards seems to be the golden ticket. If anyone has word on a block from EK please let me know so I can order my full loop asap and report back to you guys.

slovak_killer

willm1224

Jarmel
This is probably the point where EVGA needs to be honest because if people start pulling apart their cards and finding out there are differences between the Chinese and Taiwanese versions, I imagine a lot of people are going to be pissed.

Yea and EVGA did NOTHING, ignored my tweets, brushed off my phone calls, silent in the forums (publicly) to look for a cause or even acknowledge a problem exists. me and notchy were on here all night and it took till this morning to sort out the Taiwan/China potentiality, it’s like it’s not happening and the KINGPIN IS FOR SALE YAAAAALLLL

chill :D I spent whole two days testing too. We need more samples to confirm this situation. 

I’ve been chill for like a month, other cards in my sku can do it, this means that all cards are in the same sku are not equal, meaning that products are defective. I’ve been waiting patiently for a month, you wanna know the first development there’s been in this? Me and notchy and you are a few other haphazardly piecing it together that maybe manufacturing plants matter a lot....dude that is not ok evga clearly knows about this by the level of silence

willm1224
The only way this gets fixed: anybody who can’t pull 500w consistently even in quick benchmarks RMA their card. They will fix it if they are inundated with returns. Capitalism.

Reason for return: unit is defective, has physical limitations compared to identical cards.

Confirming that my card with XOC 500W BIOS is also 450 Watt limited and is Made in Taiwan.Frankly I am amazed that EVGA is still silent...       

Got some additional data from another forum/member. 

First two digits: Year Manufactured

Third digit: Product type (1 being graphics card).

Fourth, Fifth: What factory the product was built at?

6th: Warranty Length.

7th to 10: Part Number

So '20' = 2020, 1=GPU, XX = factory, 3=3 year warranty, 3987 = 3090 FTW3 Ultra 
 
Mine is 41 (2014133987)
 
Notchy - what is yours?

rgarodnick
RMA #2 submitted. If it's 2014xxxxxxx then I'll probably just ship it right back to them and rma again

Same. if It comes backs taiwain rev .1 2014xxxxx again, gonna test it, and once it fails to meet spec, will RMA it for being from a defective batch. 

RMA denied by EVGA y'all:


Hi xxxxxx,
 
We will have to request to postpone this RMA request, to verify the reason for the request.  Since we cannot guarantee the OC power target, this is a beta BIOS, and the PCB revision request, cannot be offered.  At this time, we will have to cancel the RMA, due to there not being a problem, and the GPU is working as intended.  If you would like to respond, please reply here, and we will review the RMA request once more.
 
 
Regards,
EVGA

rgarodnick
RMA denied by EVGA y'all:


Hi xxxxxx,
 
We will have to request to postpone this RMA request, to verify the reason for the request.  Since we cannot guarantee the OC power target, this is a beta BIOS, and the PCB revision request, cannot be offered.  At this time, we will have to cancel the RMA, due to there not being a problem, and the GPU is working as intended.  If you would like to respond, please reply here, and we will review the RMA request once more.
 
 
Regards,
EVGA

Haha I thought it will end up this way, they are not idiots, legally u cant touch them on this issue :/
HOWEVER ! My card is not hitting 450W even on stock bios, which must be guaranted as its part of the original product.

R3L3NTL3SS
My serial is 2012. Is the Chinese ones supposed to be better or something?
 
Dunno if related or not, but my card seems to be a beast. I boost at 1960-1990 in games and it doesn't budge with no OC at all. And at those clock speeds, it never goes higher than mid 60's with fans at only 40-50%.

Can you provide the first 10 numbers (these aren't your uniques so don't worry. Is it 2012x33987? Just need the x