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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/31 13:26:17
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500W seems to be working for me, but not on all benchmark applications. It took FurMark Donut to finally see 500W.
Stock FTW3 Ultra on air, no shunt mods/etc. XOC BIOS only on OC; normal is still the original BIOS.
Here is a screenshot of my PX1 settings and GPU-Z sensors.
You need to max out your voltage slider.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/31 13:27:26
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FYI:
https://linustechtips.com/topic/764864-pcie-75w-max-what-happens-when-you-exceed-75w/
Not the first card to have high PCIe slot power draw and probably not the last. Hey, I heard they were also sensitive to PSU performance. Duh.
If all this bothers you and you don't have the proper supporting components for a 500W $1800 video card, maybe you should go back to a GTX 1660 Ti.
What? Your completely lost and don’t understand where we are at in this discussion
Your technical competence is lacking, as always.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/31 13:41:10
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New Frame Chasers video proves and explains EVGA's 3090 FTW3 Ultra hardware limitations, proposes possible reasoning (artificial SKU segmenting and Kingpin revenue protection), and requests a response from EVGA regarding offering refunds and replacements for the hamstrung hardware:
You can't trust his technical content, reasoning or conclusions. Probably more half baked BS.
Agreed. That guy is an idiot. He didn't even know what a heatpipe on the backplate was, or have any idea of how a heatpipe works. A quick life tip for folks. Just because someone has a Youtube channel and was able to get a card does not mean they're an expert on anything.
Other board members are posting results showing over 500 watts TDP, and they've even explained how they got it. Try reading instead of watching a video by someone not qualified.
Never trust a grown man that bites his finger nails to the nubs. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/31 14:06:55
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So I watched the Framechasers videos, I've also read the other comments on this chat. Not 100% convinced either way yet on whether the current 500watt beta XOC bios is worth trying on my 3090 FTW3 Ultra. Just curious - as someone who is currently running their card with a seemingly stable +150core and +450mem overclock (power slider maxed, stock air cooler w/o shunt mods), would you expect to see me benefit in games and benchmarks from running the beta bios right now? I want to get the most out of my card, but I also don't want to flash the bios and get nothing out of doing so when it seems to be OC'ing decently out of the box (my highest 3dmark score are with +175core and +500mem, but those settings crash Red Dead Redemption 2, so I pulled them back). FWIW, I noticed my 3dmark score lowering once memory was higher than +500, which is why I stopped there despite some of the memory OC numbers I see others posting. Thanks in advance, everyone! Appreciate the conversation.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/31 14:07:15
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FYI:
https://linustechtips.com/topic/764864-pcie-75w-max-what-happens-when-you-exceed-75w/
Not the first card to have high PCIe slot power draw and probably not the last. Hey, I heard they were also sensitive to PSU performance. Duh.
If all this bothers you and you don't have the proper supporting components for a 500W $1800 video card, maybe you should go back to a GTX 1660 Ti.
already back from your ban, troll?
Took a screen shot of the PM you sent me and sent it along to the mods. Please don't PM me again. And of course, I've never been banned.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/31 14:11:36
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this video is for evga jacob they are saying the evga card is not using the full 500W on the new bios they locked the cards down on a hardware level it seems they say the evga card draws too much power from the pci express slot on the rtx 3090 bios can you please fix this. https://youtu.be/NFn-YiFQHsk?t=883
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/31 14:42:41
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We proved that it isnt hardware already
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/31 14:49:40
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FYI:
Not the first card to have high PCIe slot power draw and probably not the last. Hey, I heard they were also sensitive to PSU performance. Duh.
If all this bothers you and you don't have the proper supporting components for a 500W $1800 video card, maybe you should go back to a GTX 1660 Ti.
already back from your ban, troll?
Took a screen shot of the PM you sent me and sent it along to the mods. Please don't PM me again.
And of course, I've never been banned.
This guy PM'd me last week with some very unsavory comments, I asked the admin/mod to look into it and then "I" got banned. After emailing EVGA, they then reversed it saying it was an auto ban for spamming and claimed his account was hacked (as for the reason I got the childish PM's). Doubtful, especially now that I read what you just posted.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/31 14:55:17
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We proved that it isnt hardware already
Well, at least not for ALL 3090 FTW3 cards that is. It could still be that some cards are limited somehow in the hardware (I can't get mine over 463W spikes, 440 constant on anything).
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/31 15:03:29
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drunknfoo
We proved that it isnt hardware already
Well, at least not for ALL 3090 FTW3 cards that is. It could still be that some cards are limited somehow in the hardware (I can't get mine over 463W spikes, 440 constant on anything).
Yup I'm in the same exact boat. I have been spending (aka wasting) hours every day using various benchmarks and even some light stress tests to no avail... Have reinstalled drivers and after DDU completely and using different driver versions, clean boot, disabling stuff in my pc just in case there are conflicts etc etc etc.... No luck whatsoever.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/31 15:09:20
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Load occt and furmark n run simultaneously. If your temp throttled you wont hit 490+ avg
Believe what you will, it is a beta release anyway.
If you believe it is hardware related sell the card or attempt an rma but they wont detect any faults as the card is functioining
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/31 15:12:54
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Just wait for another release of a new bios (if they decide to release one)
Think about it.
. Xoc bios were sent to a few... Even joe bought his own retail card not hand picked...
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/31 15:19:50
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/31 15:24:14
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500W seems to be working for me, but not on all benchmark applications. It took FurMark Donut to finally see 500W.
Stock FTW3 Ultra on air, no shunt mods/etc. XOC BIOS only on OC; normal is still the original BIOS.
Here is a screenshot of my PX1 settings and GPU-Z sensors.
You need to max out your voltage slider.
I've tried to several times, but it crashes booting up Port Royal every time.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/31 21:11:49
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@feamelj Can't make this stuff up, same card, same BIOS, same test, completely different results.  https://imgur.com/a/uedU8fj
I really don't get it. 
post edited by tubnotub1 - 2020/10/31 21:38:42
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/31 21:13:35
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For me the .zip archives for FTW3 Ultra Original Normal and XOC OC are both corrupted and cannot be extracted.
Original OC and XOC Normal seem to work normally.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/31 21:28:57
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So I did read through this whole thread earlier before the forum went down. Quite the embarrassment. Accusing the EVGA USA product manager of lies and deception because you can't competently flash a bios and troubleshoot your card? Give me a break, you should be ashamed of yourselves. Clearly there is something wrong with the BETA bios for it to not work on so many people's cards. Bad flash, X1 not working, improper ratio of chip power to pcie slot power to plug power, internal chip power limits, soft PSU performance (500w is no joke), not enough load or several other reasonable THEORIES have been put forward. None of you, including myself, have enough technical background to say for sure. This thread is a perfect example why manual bios editing was taken away. The best thing you can do is load up the card, crank up the voltage and clocks, then LOG IT PROPERLY and send the data along to EVGA with your card's SERIAL NUMBER so they can troubleshoot the issue. Maybe that will result in a revised bios, or other remedies. I've been pushing for higher power bios for these cards since prior to release, along with many others. EVGA has responded. Don't be a jerk about it while they get it sorted out. It has been EXTREMELY clear since the beginning that power control on these cards is tricky business. Multiple shunts, VRMs all over the place, various AIB's setting the PCIe slot power at different levels, no focus on reference cards, power hungry VRAM, low chip power draw, etc. That there are bios issues related to power not at all surprising to anyone who has been paying attention. Two other thoughts: - Power comes to the chip from VRMs all over the board, maybe there is a difference in layout to where EVGA's engineers think they need to run their PCIe slot power draw higher to feed the chip properly from a certain side, vs. ASUS needing little slot power. - The memory, fans, etc use a fairly fixed amount of power, say about 200w just for the sake of argument. With a stock 440w bios at max power limit, that leaves 240w for the chip. Going to 500w, now the chip has 300w to play with - a whopping 25% increase. You will have to get considerably higher on the voltage/frequency curve (max voltage slider and possibly lock voltage) or a considerably higher load to use all that, especially if you're not running 4K.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/31 21:38:17
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500W seems to be working for me, but not on all benchmark applications. It took FurMark Donut to finally see 500W.
Stock FTW3 Ultra on air, no shunt mods/etc. XOC BIOS only on OC; normal is still the original BIOS.
Here is a screenshot of my PX1 settings and GPU-Z sensors.
You need to max out your voltage slider.
I've tried to several times, but it crashes booting up Port Royal every time.
Interesting. The voltage slider should unlock the two higher voltage points, 1.093v and 1.100v (please correct me if I'm wrong on that). If it's crashing, IMHO the card is trying to get up higher on the voltage/frequency curve, where it gets unstable, due to the higher clock while under high load. I'd also be suspicious of the PSU contributing to instability at high power/spikes, unless yours is both very high performance and oversized. I'd try cutting your core OC back to +60 or +75, then max the voltage slider and see what it does.
post edited by kevinc313 - 2020/10/31 21:47:15
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/31 21:52:54
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@feamelj
Can't make this stuff up, same card, same BIOS, same test, completely different results.
https://imgur.com/a/uedU8fj
I really don't get it.
IMHO your card has a 440w power limit and the flash didn't take fully. Also Heaven in the light load sections should let the card go all the way up to 1.1v, if the voltage slider is maxed and working properly, even with a 440w PL. 1.068v max is low.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/31 21:56:01
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kevinc313
So I did read through this whole thread earlier before the forum went down. Quite the embarrassment. Accusing the EVGA USA product manager of lies and deception because you can't competently flash a bios and troubleshoot your card? Give me a break, you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Yes, because unzipping and clicking on an exe and moving sliders to the far right is *so* hard. Bro, so many of us here are just trying to provide information and corroborate while trying to solve the mystery of what is making this BIOS perform so differently across multiple cards. There are a *few* people that are peddling theories aggressively that shine a poor light on EVGA, but the majority of this thread has been constructive. 619 posts man, most of them providing information or requesting clarification, nothing shameful about that. kevinc313
IMHO your card has a 440w power limit and the flash didn't take fully.
Also Heaven in the light load sections should let the card go all the way up to 1.1v, if the voltage slider is maxed and working properly, even with a 440w PL. 1.068v max is low.
Will reflash the card and repost results.
post edited by tubnotub1 - 2020/10/31 21:58:22
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/31 22:00:00
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Did the change the purple button and selected temp to prioritize over power. Hit 500 Watts before my highest was 487
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/31 22:05:40
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I'm so confused on this card. It's performing worse than my old FE was and with higher temps on top of that using this BIOS.
It seems like no matter the OC or the BIOS, this card trails the FE I had in every way besides power draw and heat generated. (Winning where it counts, clearly - /s)
Also, in Port Royal, with the BIOS from this thread, I am getting about 460W max draw similar to others in this thread. Furmark draws 506W with 83W on the PCIe slot. I know someone with a FTW3 scoring over 1000 points higher than mine with the same settings in Port Royal, even while I use an external fan to try and cool this thing down.
Seems like I just wasted $1800 and should have just kept the FE at this point. Paid $300 more for a card that runs hotter and scores less in benches (which has the implication that it might perform worse in games). But hey, it has an RGB bar, right? This is all with a 1600W PSU as well. Did I just get a complete dud in the silicon lottery?
One other thing I noticed is that similar to the reports in the day 1 driver, this card crashes the second it hits over 2100 clock in Port Royal without fail. The second you see it happen, it crashes instantly. Keep it at 2100, it's fine, 2115 (next stepping) instant crash. I didn't test that part without this BIOS, so no idea if it happened prior to the BIOS or not. (Probably did)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/31 22:06:32
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kevinc313
So I did read through this whole thread earlier before the forum went down. Quite the embarrassment. Accusing the EVGA USA product manager of lies and deception because you can't competently flash a bios and troubleshoot your card? Give me a break, you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Yes, because unzipping and clicking on an exe and moving sliders to the far right is *so* hard. Bro, so many of us here are just trying to provide information and corroborate while trying to solve the mystery of what is making this BIOS perform so differently across multiple cards. There are a *few* people that are peddling theories aggressively that shine a poor light on EVGA, but the majority of this thread has been constructive. 619 posts man, most of them providing information or requesting clarification, nothing shameful about that.
kevinc313
IMHO your card has a 440w power limit and the flash didn't take fully.
Also Heaven in the light load sections should let the card go all the way up to 1.1v, if the voltage slider is maxed and working properly, even with a 440w PL. 1.068v max is low.
Will reflash the card and repost results.
Yes, that's what the forum is for, to collaborate with EVGA and other enthusiasts on troubleshooting and maximizing performance. I'm just pointing out that the level of high drama and histrionics in this thread is very disappointing and unproductive. Very early in the thread, Sajin posted that there was previously a mis-flashing issue with 1080 Ti. Your card is peaking at 448w while riding a 440w limit. IMHO, mis-flash. https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3124322
post edited by kevinc313 - 2020/10/31 22:10:04
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/31 22:21:48
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I'm so confused on this card. It's performing worse than my old FE was and with higher temps on top of that using this BIOS.
It seems like no matter the OC or the BIOS, this card trails the FE I had in every way besides power draw and heat generated. (Winning where it counts, clearly - /s)
Also, in Port Royal, with the BIOS from this thread, I am getting about 460W max draw similar to others in this thread. Furmark draws 506W with 83W on the PCIe slot. I know someone with a FTW3 scoring over 1000 points higher than mine with the same settings in Port Royal, even while I use an external fan to try and cool this thing down.
Seems like I just wasted $1800 and should have just kept the FE at this point. Paid $300 more for a card that runs hotter and scores less in benches (which has the implication that it might perform worse in games). But hey, it has an RGB bar, right? This is all with a 1600W PSU as well. Did I just get a complete dud in the silicon lottery?
One other thing I noticed is that similar to the reports in the day 1 driver, this card crashes the second it hits over 2100 clock in Port Royal without fail. The second you see it happen, it crashes instantly. Keep it at 2100, it's fine, 2115 (next stepping) instant crash. I didn't test that part without this BIOS, so no idea if it happened prior to the BIOS or not. (Probably did)
Bummer. What kind of PSU do you have? If you're interested in testing the frequency limits of your chip, you can use the ATI Tool load (very light load): https://www.techpowerup.com/atitool/ You lock at 1.1v using Afterburner, then crank up the clocks and won't come anywhere near the power limit. Useful for determining the max theoretical clock of your chip and how good it is. Over 2,300mhz is really good. Check the overclock.net threads for more info.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/31 22:22:19
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Reflashed, let the benchmark run through all scenes to get all data points. Ended up running it twice because stupid centrix client disables PSC. Same(ish) results. https://imgur.com/a/U4AEDRu
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/31 22:30:04
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you guys are good with your power, my card is going max to 405W with the 500W bios...
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/31 22:33:25
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Bummer. What kind of PSU do you have?
If you're interested in testing the frequency limits of your chip, you can use the ATI Tool load (very light load):
https://www.techpowerup.com/atitool/
You lock at 1.1v using Afterburner, then crank up the clocks and won't come anywhere near the power limit. Useful for determining the max theoretical clock of your chip and how good it is. Over 2,300mhz is really good. Check the overclock.net threads for more info.
EVGA 1600 G2. And thanks, I'll give that a whirl. It's super disappointing and I already sold the FE, so no going back to the better, cheaper card. This thing is a huge disappointment so far.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/31 22:36:01
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Is there no response from Jacob yet? Why is the evga card drawing 80w from the pcie slot while the strix is drawing 50
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/31 22:45:40
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kevinc313
Bummer. What kind of PSU do you have?
If you're interested in testing the frequency limits of your chip, you can use the ATI Tool load (very light load):
https://www.techpowerup.com/atitool/
You lock at 1.1v using Afterburner, then crank up the clocks and won't come anywhere near the power limit. Useful for determining the max theoretical clock of your chip and how good it is. Over 2,300mhz is really good. Check the overclock.net threads for more info.
EVGA 1600 G2. And thanks, I'll give that a whirl. It's super disappointing and I already sold the FE, so no going back to the better, cheaper card. This thing is a huge disappointment so far.
Oh nice, 1600w G2 is very high performance as I'm sure you know, one of the best ever. Here is the ATI Tool discussion, it was in the 3080 thread: https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-nvidia-rtx-3080-owners-club.1753932/page-95#post-28658489 YMMV on the 3090.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/31 22:53:53
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sirien
Is there no response from Jacob yet? Why is the evga card drawing 80w from the pcie slot while the strix is drawing 50
IHMO, just my opinion/theory, the EVGA engineers feel that for whatever the PCIe slot VRM's feed on the chip/card, it needs to be run at a fairly high power on the FTW3 layout. The Strix layout is different, and clearly they don't need as much PCIe slot power.
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