glocked89
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/02 22:52:17
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557.8w spike. Average is never close to 500w though, always bouncing around. Anyways I'm tired of trying to make this work. Just gunna wait for a fix
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/02 22:53:35
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I know this is strictly self-reported and the numbers are hard to gauge but do we have any indication how much the 3070 cards (all) moved today?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/02 23:17:16
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I know this is strictly self-reported and the numbers are hard to gauge but do we have any indication how much the 3070 cards (all) moved today? You registered on the forum almost 11 years ago and you make your debut post in a thread unrelated to what you're asking about... This thread is about the RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC beta vBIOS, and feedback related to it.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/02 23:21:15
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Oh I’m very embarrassed by this. It appeared I click on on the wrong thread and made a post without looking. I apologize for the mistake.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/03 00:03:17
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ehabash1 Is the only guy with sensible posts over like the last 8 pages. We've already figured this out, independent of the solid verification from Frame Chasers. The voltage regulator on the FTW3 locks 8-pin power draw at a lower ratio to pci-e power draw than the MSI Trio and Rog Strix. You can easily spike above the ratio via higher mem and uncore draw (How people can get over 450, but it takes less intelligence than a caveman to observe all other 3rd party boards easily and simply locking at 500W in ALL workloads, not cherry picked like we are doing here). Finally, the real damning thing no one is even talking about, all EVGA boards have 10 amp fuses on the PCI-E while all other vendors use 20 amp. At 12Volt standard wall power, this means the EVGA pci-e pin is physically incapable of pulling more than 120W without blowing. All other vendors can do 240W. So even if you stack shunt the PCI-E resistor, with the fixed ratio in voltage controller firmware you are still capped vs other cards. I.E, even if you read lower power over PCI-E you can only push it so far before the circuit simply blows. This is hard damning evidence of EVGA artificially gimping the card hardware, in addition to the voltage regulator firmware gimping. Secondly, we can observe that all new 450W bioses aside from launch day have lowered max PCI-E from 80W to 75W. Thirdly, the weeklong silence is at this point the most damning piece of evidence.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/03 00:27:04
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ehabash1 Is the only guy with sensible posts over like the last 8 pages.
lol
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/03 00:50:16
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Again. Some people are getting it. Some aren't. I've said this since the beginning... if one of us can get it... we all can. Also I'm the guy that Jay made that video about the 3090 bios :). - He clearly stated that the 3090 ftw ultras he had (he has 2) Shipped with DIFFERENT bios. I said a while back that maybe some people that got a certain stock bios upgrading to new one might be the ones that are working.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/03 01:13:48
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I'm on the new bios (in OC mode) with an FTW3 ultra 3090, and with the voltage and power sliders maxed (119%), I am hitting power limit, but averaging 450 while the limit shows active. It will occasionally spike to 470, but mostly stays around 450. My best performance has been with an under-volt in AfterBurner, which gives me better scores than stock or even overclocks. I keep running into that damn power limit... still... I am going to revert the bios and see what the numbers are with limit and power used. I have a feeling they will be the same. EDIT: I reflashed the old oc bios, and ran the same test, and the power draw was identical between the two. Board power draw averaged between 430 and 460, with the power limit engaged fully on both bios versions. The only difference was the power slider being max at 107 with the old bios and 119 with the new, which at this point just seems like a UI thing that is being ignored by the card.
post edited by whaleboy_2048 - 2020/11/03 02:35:33
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/03 03:23:46
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I would like at least a partial refund of $200 to match the price of the xc3 ultra seeing how much this card is gimped please!
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/03 03:35:58
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I would like at least a partial refund of $200 to match the price of the xc3 ultra seeing how much this card is gimped please!
Lol such babies on here man.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/03 04:30:15
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wertyoxxx1
I would like at least a partial refund of $200 to match the price of the xc3 ultra seeing how much this card is gimped please!
Lol such babies on here man.
How dare consumers be upset they were misled and could have gotten similar benching performance for 200 dollars cheaper!!!
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/03 05:21:30
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I would like at least a partial refund of $200 to match the price of the xc3 ultra seeing how much this card is gimped please!
Because you buy without informing beforehand ??
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/03 05:36:30
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In fairness if you wanted to snag a card quickly, there was very limited information and reviews out there on this detail level to base the decision on.
This is always a risk as an early adopter of course.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/03 05:55:06
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Damn well I just ordered the card because I received the notification email and I read back about 10 pages and now I am wondering if the ftw3 was worth the price...
Its a amazing card. Most of these people are probably overreacting to a beta bios. Enjoy the card and dont stress over this.
Yeah I am not even going to overclock it or push it. It plenty powerful right out of the gate. Can't wait to get it under water
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/03 06:34:56
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557.8w spike. Average is never close to 500w though, always bouncing around. Anyways I'm tired of trying to make this work. Just gunna wait for a fix
That's a huge spike. So if while under load, if you hit reset while on average, you can't record an average power reading of around 500w for a few seconds?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/03 08:26:34
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Great update waiting for the Kinpgin
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/03 10:09:22
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question for those not going over 450 watts with the OC bios... are you using a pci 4 motherboard? If ratios between slot and connectors are locked, doesnt a pcie 3 board provide less power to the slot than a pci 4 board???? I have a Thai chi board threadripper board pci 4. I have hit peeks of 500 watts.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/03 10:41:13
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question for those not going over 450 watts with the OC bios... are you using a pci 4 motherboard? If ratios between slot and connectors are locked, doesnt a pcie 3 board provide less power to the slot than a pci 4 board???? I have a Thai chi board threadripper board pci 4. I have hit peeks of 500 watts.
Can only speak for myself, but I am running an X570 board, so yes, PCIE 4.0.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/03 11:17:11
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Finally, the real damning thing no one is even talking about, all EVGA boards have 10 amp fuses on the PCI-E while all other vendors use 20 amp. At 12Volt standard wall power, this means the EVGA pci-e pin is physically incapable of pulling more than 120W without blowing. All other vendors can do 240W.
This would be incredibly damning... Do you have any pics of the ftw3 ultra board showing the fuses? I tried looking during lunch but my Google fu must suck.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/03 11:39:10
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Chamidorix
Finally, the real damning thing no one is even talking about, all EVGA boards have 10 amp fuses on the PCI-E while all other vendors use 20 amp. At 12Volt standard wall power, this means the EVGA pci-e pin is physically incapable of pulling more than 120W without blowing. All other vendors can do 240W.
This would be incredibly damning... Do you have any pics of the ftw3 ultra board showing the fuses? I tried looking during lunch but my Google fu must suck.
I can confirm this as a fact. There are a few pics of the pcb on the web you can check for yourself. Its even listed in the shunt mod calculator app for ftw3 owners to be aware of A lot of ppl dont understand that the kingpin will be stuck at 525w and that Nvidia wont allow them to go above spec. Your stuck at 525 watts and the ftw3 owners could easily flash that bios this time around since they are both using 3x 8pin this generation The BIN for kingpin isnt that great. A lot of ppl think that just because its binned your getting a top 10% or even top 1% card. Thats far from the truth The binning process is very lax and the reality is that your not guaranteed a great card. A good card yes but a great card no If you already have a decent/good FTW3, The only thing separating the two cards realistically is that bios Evga makes MASSIVE margins on the KP. Then made sure to protect that at all costs. 25watts isn’t enough to make a difference but 75 is.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/03 12:15:23
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How can I be steadily (per graph) drawing 131W, 126W, and 148W on the 8pins respectively if "the EVGA pci-e pin is physically incapable of pulling more than 120W without blowing" ?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/03 12:15:31
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Tried this bios... made my card unstable. Crashed in all games. Even tried under-clocking... no joy. Just a totally unstable card.
Went back to factory bios... got stability back... but my 3090 FTW3 Ultra won't stay above 1925 clock in red dead no matter what.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/03 12:16:56
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Because those are not related at all to the pcie ........ lol at some of the people in this forum holy crap
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/03 12:17:57
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Each 3pin has its own 20amp
The pcie has a 10amp.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/03 12:19:56
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They're the 8pin PCIE power connectors, so yes they are "related" to PCIE since it's part of the actual connector name.
You might be thinking of the PCIE edge connector power, which is indeed totally different - and limited to 75W, so pretty sure that's not what they're saying is "240W on others but limited to 120 on evga"
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/03 13:12:03
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question for those not going over 450 watts with the OC bios... are you using a pci 4 motherboard? If ratios between slot and connectors are locked, doesnt a pcie 3 board provide less power to the slot than a pci 4 board???? I have a Thai chi board threadripper board pci 4. I have hit peeks of 500 watts.
I'm on a crosshair hero VIII (x570). I should go into the MB bios and see if there are any options that affect this, but here is an interesting thing while I do so...  EDIT: It won't let me link to the full size image, it is insisting on downsizing, sorry :( Note that GPU-Z reports the card capable of PCIe 4.0, but it says it is only running at PCIe 1.1 ??? Time to dig into my MB bios... (Note that this screenshot is with the old EVGA bios loaded, not the new one)
post edited by whaleboy_2048 - 2020/11/03 13:22:53
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/03 13:13:29
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question for those not going over 450 watts with the OC bios... are you using a pci 4 motherboard? If ratios between slot and connectors are locked, doesnt a pcie 3 board provide less power to the slot than a pci 4 board???? I have a Thai chi board threadripper board pci 4. I have hit peeks of 500 watts.
The spec for both the PCIE 3.0 and PCIE 4.0 x16 slots is 75 watts of power. There is no difference. I achieved higher overclocks and benchmark scores in some tests in an old Z170 PCIE 3 board than I did in a X570 PCIE4 board.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/03 13:15:21
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The spec for both the PCIE 3.0 and PCIE 4.0 x16 slots is 75 watts of power. There is no difference.
I achieved higher overclocks and benchmark scores in some tests in an old Z170 PCIE 3 board than I did in a X570 PCIE4 board.
Thanks fort the clarification. I am still curious why my card is not running at 4.0 though... actually mine says 1.1 if I am reading it correctly
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/03 13:18:18
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LordGurciullo
drunknfoo
xtra long fuzzy donut run
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Again. Some people are getting it. Some aren't. I've said this since the beginning... if one of us can get it... we all can.
Also I'm the guy that Jay made that video about the 3090 bios :). - He clearly stated that the 3090 ftw ultras he had (he has 2) Shipped with DIFFERENT bios. I said a while back that maybe some people that got a certain stock bios upgrading to new one might be the ones that are working.
Dunno if u saw my post on overclock forum, but to get this result is rare, driver / px1 and or bios communication related for sure. Toggling driver settings can get this working but very difficult to replicate... Not sure what stock bios varients matter when they are overwritten by the 500w bios.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/03 13:19:04
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Can someone take a picture of the fuse by the PCIE slot? Should be near the current sensing resistor (think it's marked R005). Or is there a nice high res 3090 FTW3 CCA photo somewhere out there?
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