Stalin... to beat?  480 in CF is scoring 2200 points LOWER than one 1080, not higher... 

diftow

Henrynguyen20
lol you're right diftow, I feel confidence with evga, i never use AMD, only for all of my cousins build
i don't know why evga is short on demand this time. On the other hand,  msi 1080 and 1070 gaming x is in stock of Frys and microcenter already

It's Nvidia's fault, and it isn't the only issue I've had with Nvidia.

1. Charging people $50 for a license for "3D Play" on a $500 GPU. Just extortion right there.

2. Terrible drivers. Their drivers for Windows 10 were broken long after the official release had begun. And prior to Windows 10, I've experienced issues with games that were driver related as well, countless times. It wasn't the games either, it was Nvidia drivers. My old BFG 7300 GT was a great card, until I updated it to newer Nvidia drivers. Nvidia turned that card from working, to defective.
I'm old enough to remember a time where it was hard to come by driver updates. You had to install via physical media. Somehow companies managed to deliver products that worked without being able to provide bug fixes anytime anywhere. Now we have fast internet and automatic drive installation, and it's worse?

Nvidia is a powerful giant in bed with an even bigger giant (Intel). They are not some amazing company, they just get all the profit to fund the majority of GPUs on the market.
Would be nice to see companies like EVGA sell other GPUs. I'd like to see more than just AMD and Nvidia as well.

If you would do some of your own research from google, you will come across some different articles saying that TSMC might be at fault, not Nvidia. TSMC manufactures the silicone chips for Nvidia, and the claim is out there that "they cannot produce the chips fast enough for these cards". But as a couple people have mentioned (they know who they are) said that you should take this information "as a grain of salt", but let me remind you there is no other information out there to explain why there is not enough stock available. And... "assuming" that you will ask why Nvidia is not giving you any information, they won't. Nvidia is not going to come out and admit any responsibility because of the GPUS not coming available. You will get the run-around. Good luck.

jfolds
Haha just giving an example : )

Another good example of what most of you are trying to make is Six-flags' lines are too long for the rides, and you guys want compensation for waiting in line. Is it their fault the lines are long? No.

stalinx20

Scarlet-Tech
Stalin... to beat?  480 in CF is scoring 2200 points LOWER than one 1080, not higher... 

Yep... that's what they said. A lot of them are excited to see 2x 480s "compete" against a single 1080 (sorry, I meant compete, not "beat".). Taking the complaint from the majority of the people saying that SLI/CF can cause problems, or issues while gaming, does this not contradict what it is they are trying to do with 2x 480s, that being to compete against a single 1080? Sounds kind of hypocritical

2x 480 will use more than double the power of 1 1080 too. Speculation that the power draw of the 480's can damage your motherboard as it pulls too much power from the PCIe slot.

stalinx20

diftow

Henrynguyen20
lol you're right diftow, I feel confidence with evga, i never use AMD, only for all of my cousins build
i don't know why evga is short on demand this time. On the other hand,  msi 1080 and 1070 gaming x is in stock of Frys and microcenter already

It's Nvidia's fault, and it isn't the only issue I've had with Nvidia.

1. Charging people $50 for a license for "3D Play" on a $500 GPU. Just extortion right there.

2. Terrible drivers. Their drivers for Windows 10 were broken long after the official release had begun. And prior to Windows 10, I've experienced issues with games that were driver related as well, countless times. It wasn't the games either, it was Nvidia drivers. My old BFG 7300 GT was a great card, until I updated it to newer Nvidia drivers. Nvidia turned that card from working, to defective.
I'm old enough to remember a time where it was hard to come by driver updates. You had to install via physical media. Somehow companies managed to deliver products that worked without being able to provide bug fixes anytime anywhere. Now we have fast internet and automatic drive installation, and it's worse?

Nvidia is a powerful giant in bed with an even bigger giant (Intel). They are not some amazing company, they just get all the profit to fund the majority of GPUs on the market.
Would be nice to see companies like EVGA sell other GPUs. I'd like to see more than just AMD and Nvidia as well.

If you would do some of your own research from google, you will come across some different articles saying that TSMC might be at fault, not Nvidia. TSMC manufactures the silicone chips for Nvidia, and the claim is out there that "they cannot produce the chips fast enough for these cards". But as a couple people have mentioned (they know who they are) said that you should take this information "as a grain of salt", but let me remind you there is no other information out there to explain why there is not enough stock available. And... "assuming" that you will ask why Nvidia is not giving you any information, they won't. Nvidia is not going to come out and admit any responsibility because of the GPUS not coming available. You will get the run-around. Good luck.

They certainly didn't have an issue making those FE cards huh? It is clear they are trying to sell out on those FE cards before fully releasing the other models, after all FE = more profit for them

Henrynguyen20
lol should we trust the auto notify :)

No, I've been screwed by the auto notify twice already.

stalinx20

diftow

Henrynguyen20
lol you're right diftow, I feel confidence with evga, i never use AMD, only for all of my cousins build
i don't know why evga is short on demand this time. On the other hand,  msi 1080 and 1070 gaming x is in stock of Frys and microcenter already

It's Nvidia's fault, and it isn't the only issue I've had with Nvidia.

1. Charging people $50 for a license for "3D Play" on a $500 GPU. Just extortion right there.

2. Terrible drivers. Their drivers for Windows 10 were broken long after the official release had begun. And prior to Windows 10, I've experienced issues with games that were driver related as well, countless times. It wasn't the games either, it was Nvidia drivers. My old BFG 7300 GT was a great card, until I updated it to newer Nvidia drivers. Nvidia turned that card from working, to defective.
I'm old enough to remember a time where it was hard to come by driver updates. You had to install via physical media. Somehow companies managed to deliver products that worked without being able to provide bug fixes anytime anywhere. Now we have fast internet and automatic drive installation, and it's worse?

Nvidia is a powerful giant in bed with an even bigger giant (Intel). They are not some amazing company, they just get all the profit to fund the majority of GPUs on the market.
Would be nice to see companies like EVGA sell other GPUs. I'd like to see more than just AMD and Nvidia as well.

If you would do some of your own research from google, you will come across some different articles saying that TSMC might be at fault, not Nvidia. TSMC manufactures the silicone chips for Nvidia, and the claim is out there that "they cannot produce the chips fast enough for these cards". But as a couple people have mentioned (they know who they are) said that you should take this information "as a grain of salt", but let me remind you there is no other information out there to explain why there is not enough stock available. And... "assuming" that you will ask why Nvidia is not giving you any information, they won't. Nvidia is not going to come out and admit any responsibility because of the GPUS not coming available. You will get the run-around. Good luck.

That sounds speculative too, but regardless I wouldn't buy that excuse though. Nvidia screwed up. They had plenty of time to make sure everything was right before announcing this launch.
I've already mentioned they delayed the release of the cheaper cards (MSRP 1080, and the 1070) to promote the sale of the most expensive (1080 FE).
That isn't speculation, that happened and it is a contributing factor for sure. It added atleast 1-2 weeks of wait time since May 27th.
Now, I reckon that if they weren't fully prepared and they knew they weren't, that they launched early because of AMD, to try and stop them from gaining any share of the market.
If they knew they had the better cards, and they released it before AMD had a chance to sell any, they are probably thinking that it will crush AMD devastatingly.
I don't think Nvidia factored in how this might inconvenience their consumers, or maybe they just don't care because they are a monopoly.

Also, I have had no trouble finding Founders Editions in stock. I see them in the stores physically all the time, and even online I've had multiple opportunities to buy. I'm simply not interested at all in that hunk of overpriced junk. I don't buy Nvidia for Nvidia, I buy for EVGA. When something fails, EVGA fixes it. I wouldn't trust Nvidia to provide the same level of support. They can't even do a proper release of a card.

pocheche151

brentsg

pocheche151They certainly didn't have an issue making those FE cards huh? It is clear they are trying to sell out on those FE cards before fully releasing the other models, after all FE = more profit for them

Think about it..  Nvidia had a huge leg up on the AIB partners.  They designed the whole thing from the ground up, so of course it's easy for them to produce far more of those cards.  The partners likely had a much shorter bit of runway to get ready before launch.  People can speculate what the revenue situation looks like between AIB and Nvidia for FE cards, but we don't know anything.  There's clearly demand for the FE cards too, so they're filling a role.
 
People have made it hard on themselves by locking into a specific card that they decided to buy.  That's great if you are patient.  Meanwhile, others that were more flexible were able to pick up a card weeks ago.  Sure, you can't walk into Walmart and buy it but it's not as bad as people are making it out to be, at least in the US.  I've owned 2 cards already and canceled a third right before it shipped (doh).  I had a MSI Gaming X order go sideways this week at Newegg due to stupid credit card fraud issues, but that could have been salvaged if I really wanted it to.  Easily could have had a dozen cards by now just by watching Nowinstock.net, and that's just by watching a few EVGA and MSI cards.  I totally ignored all of the other AIB's.

The demand of the FE cards only exist due to the other models not being supplied. If the shelves were stocked with the same numbers for AIB as they are for FE cards, no one would buy the FEs. They all use the same chip, so instead of pushing out FE cards, supply the demand for the other cards. You're right about people wanting one specific card. I'm not rich and can't be buying different cards at once and then decide which one to keep. I want to own a quality card that I can install and be done with until the new series is released.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm too negative because of the motives of bad corporations in my memory, but my gut tells me that the low stock of all the other cards is intentional to make the Founders Edition sell more. I don't believe in coincidence here, when they've already taken strides to officially delay the release of the other cards previously. Any excuse that pops up is just too convenient after the fact.

pocheche151The demand of the FE cards only exist due to the other models not being supplied. If the shelves were stocked with the same numbers for AIB as they are for FE cards, no one would buy the FEs. They all use the same chip, so instead of pushing out FE cards, supply the demand for the other cards. You're right about people wanting one specific card. I'm not rich and can't be buying different cards at once and then decide which one to keep. I want to own a quality card that I can install and be done with until the new series is released.

The reference cards have always had a place.  I think people underestimate the demand for them, but whatever..  I've personally had better experiences in general with reference, but that anecdotal.  
 
I'm not suggesting that people buy multiple cards, just saying if you narrow it down to a few high quality cards you'd be happy with then it's not that difficult.  There is really very little difference between these cards, so if people think they'll get a significantly different experience then they are deluded.  Pick a couple manufacturers that you're comfortable with, then narrow it down to a few cards you'd like.  When one pops up, grab it.  I narrowed it down to FE or FTW from EVGA, and if I couldn't get those I was interested in MSI FE or Gaming X.  I could easily have had all of them today, with FTW being the most difficult by far.

pocheche151

diftow

stalinx20

diftow

Henrynguyen20
lol you're right diftow, I feel confidence with evga, i never use AMD, only for all of my cousins build
i don't know why evga is short on demand this time. On the other hand,  msi 1080 and 1070 gaming x is in stock of Frys and microcenter already

It's Nvidia's fault, and it isn't the only issue I've had with Nvidia.

1. Charging people $50 for a license for "3D Play" on a $500 GPU. Just extortion right there.

2. Terrible drivers. Their drivers for Windows 10 were broken long after the official release had begun. And prior to Windows 10, I've experienced issues with games that were driver related as well, countless times. It wasn't the games either, it was Nvidia drivers. My old BFG 7300 GT was a great card, until I updated it to newer Nvidia drivers. Nvidia turned that card from working, to defective.
I'm old enough to remember a time where it was hard to come by driver updates. You had to install via physical media. Somehow companies managed to deliver products that worked without being able to provide bug fixes anytime anywhere. Now we have fast internet and automatic drive installation, and it's worse?

Nvidia is a powerful giant in bed with an even bigger giant (Intel). They are not some amazing company, they just get all the profit to fund the majority of GPUs on the market.
Would be nice to see companies like EVGA sell other GPUs. I'd like to see more than just AMD and Nvidia as well.

If you would do some of your own research from google, you will come across some different articles saying that TSMC might be at fault, not Nvidia. TSMC manufactures the silicone chips for Nvidia, and the claim is out there that "they cannot produce the chips fast enough for these cards". But as a couple people have mentioned (they know who they are) said that you should take this information "as a grain of salt", but let me remind you there is no other information out there to explain why there is not enough stock available. And... "assuming" that you will ask why Nvidia is not giving you any information, they won't. Nvidia is not going to come out and admit any responsibility because of the GPUS not coming available. You will get the run-around. Good luck.

That sounds speculative too, but regardless I wouldn't buy that excuse though. Nvidia screwed up. They had plenty of time to make sure everything was right before announcing this launch.
I've already mentioned they delayed the release of the cheaper cards (MSRP 1080, and the 1070) to promote the sale of the most expensive (1080 FE).
That isn't speculation, that happened and it is a contributing factor for sure. It added atleast 1-2 weeks of wait time since May 27th.
Now, I reckon that if they weren't fully prepared and they knew they weren't, that they launched early because of AMD, to try and stop them from gaining any share of the market.
If they knew they had the better cards, and they released it before AMD had a chance to sell any, they are probably thinking that it will crush AMD devastatingly.
I don't think Nvidia factored in how this might inconvenience their consumers, or maybe they just don't care because they are a monopoly.

They clearly don't care. That's just it. They are not entitled to tell us anything, they don't owe us anything, we didn't sign a contract or anything. But a loyal company to its customers would not treat them this way. Some people got their pre-orders in May and to this day, they still haven't received anything. Some information (from the manufactures) as to what's going on would be useful. That's the least they could do

They don't owe us anything at all, you're absolutely correct. The issue is that in a normal market, we'd have the ability to vote with our feet, take our business elsewhere. The only competition to Nvidia is on life support, unless Intel stabs Nvidia in the back and starts partnering with AMD, which apparently people are speculating may actually happen, but IDK if that's a good thing, because then Intel could eventually absorb AMD entirely, and all we'd have left is ARM.

brentsg
 



The reference cards have always had a place.  I think people underestimate the demand for them, but whatever..  I've personally had better experiences in general with reference, but that anecdotal.  
 
I'm not suggesting that people buy multiple cards, just saying if you narrow it down to a few high quality cards you'd be happy with then it's not that difficult.  There is really very little difference between these cards, so if people think they'll get a significantly different experience then they are deluded.  Pick a couple manufacturers that you're comfortable with, then narrow it down to a few cards you'd like.  When one pops up, grab it.  I narrowed it down to FE or FTW from EVGA, and if I couldn't get those I was interested in MSI FE or Gaming X.  I could easily have had all of them today, with FTW being the most difficult by far.

You're right, reference cards have always had a place. But this time they are $100 more for less performance. That's never been the case, and I think that's where all went wrong. I'm not even aiming for the FTW, just want the SC from Evga but it's been impossible for me to get my hands on one and I've been all over it like a bad rash

Scarlet-Tech
The founders edition has less performance? Where did you get that? The shroud may not cool as well, but the FE card overclocks and performs just the same as the rest of the cards.. There is no less performance if you simply adjust the fan.

And judging from the ones I owned, it's not an unreasonable noise level at all.  It's not some howling banshee that the internet would have you believe.  And let's face, some people like the look of that card.  I know I do.  I'd definitely still have 2 of them if it wasn't for Amazon discounting FTW for the delay.

diftow

Scarlet-Tech
None of those were seen for two weeks. So, the AIB cards have only been available for two weeks, not a month.

Exactly the point I've made twice. It was intentional to promote the release of Founders Edition, to manipulate people into spending an extra $100 for literally no gain, other than getting the card sooner. No different than what scalpers do.

Sorry, there are too many posts to keep up with. You are 100% correct. Nvidia did this on purpose.

Scarlet-Tech

diftow

Scarlet-Tech
None of those were seen for two weeks. So, the AIB cards have only been available for two weeks, not a month.

Exactly the point I've made twice. It was intentional to promote the release of Founders Edition, to manipulate people into spending an extra $100 for literally no gain, other than getting the card sooner. No different than what scalpers do.

Sorry, there are too many posts to keep up with. You are 100% correct. Nvidia did this on purpose.

No worries, it's really active here xD.

I still have my GTX 580. Besides my PSU, it is my only original component from my previous computers.
I upgraded from an Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 Wolfdale w/ 8 GB of DDR2 800 Ram, ASUS P5E motherboard, 2-3 years ago. 7200 WD Black HDD (1 TB)
The CPU was working hard, 80-100% usage all the time, had to get a nice heatsink to keep her running cool, but with a watt draw of 65, that was easy to do.
The GPU was carrying that computer, really keeping the outdated system components running my games on high with good frame rates. However, it did little to boost the performance of applications like 3D Studio Max. I finally got me an ASUS Z97-A with Intel Core i7-4790K, 32 GB of DDR3 1866 RAM, and an SSD Samsung EVO 840. Now the GPU was the dinosaur, and as recently as last month, my old HDD started acting up so I replaced it. I had plans to get the 980, but I held out a little longer because despite the age of my GPU I got a significant performance boost from the new components ; adequate enough to wait for one more series release. Well, I now regret that decision xD

I will say, I had no problem ordering the GTX 580 on launch day. It was a piece of cake.

Henrynguyen20
it's annoying for me, i want evga but no stock, on the other hand, a lot of msi 1080 and 1070 in store 

I know, it's been really tempting, but then I don't want to punish EVGA because this is Nvidia's fault.
I don't think MSI is a terrible company, but I had a REALLY bad experience with this POS company called VisionTek back in 2006.
Since EVGA has been good to me, I don't feel the need to take a risk. I will say though, I put an MSI motherboard into my mom's desktop, and it runs fine, but motherboards and GPUs are two different beasts though.