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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC2 HYBRID 2017/05/04 14:08:00 (permalink)
Does not look like us poor folk in the UK/EU are going to get a chance of buying this card today 
 
 
 
 

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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC2 HYBRID 2017/05/04 14:19:14 (permalink)
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Does not look like us poor folk in the UK/EU are going to get a chance of buying this card today 
 
 
 
 


UK/EU/AU is always last in everything. We always get screwed lmao

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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC2 HYBRID 2017/05/04 14:21:26 (permalink)
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@Jacob will we see a FTW3 HYBRID? or am I waiting in vain?


I second that question to @Jacob. I want to snag hybrid card but I would love it to be FTW Hybrid card. Please kindly let us know if you plan on releasing FTW Hybrid so I can decide to order or not SC one :)
 
I think 1080Ti is finally a good time to have more than one Hybrid version, as EVGA usually has 3-4 air-cooled versions.
 
Thank you very much in advance.



Again, being redundant here... But I really don't understand the issue here, maybe someone can help enlighten me?
 
The reason for multiple air cooled versions would be to compete with other AIB manufacturers across the $700-$800 spectrum. This makes some sense with air cooled cards, since small tweaks to airflow and thermal padding, fan setup and design, back plating, etc. can all have some marginal impact on performance. Even then however, every 1080ti card is going to perform almost exactly the same on real world applications (~1-4 FPS), depending on the silicon lottery (this is the biggest variable in OC performance). Outside of this however, really all you're comparing across that air cooled spectrum is aesthetics, acoustics and temperature under load differences. This already being a water cooled card, the acoustics and thermals are not going to be an issue at all. The FTW3 and SC2 aesthetics are very similar as well, and would be as hybrids, perhaps even more-so. 
 
I guess I don't understand people's hesitance to just buy this card rather than postpone for an FTW hybrid? Can someone help me to understand? I'm not trying to be confrontational here. I genuinely just don't understand if I'm missing something here, and maybe help some people decipher the different reasons for why you would want an FTW or SC2, etc.
 
P.S. as an aside, Jayztwocents on youtube just did a video talking about this very issue in his testing of the ASUS 1080ti Strix. He said that he's not even going to post performance benchmark test results because all of these cards are going to perform about the same. Instead, he just talked about the acoustics, aesthetics and other small details that really are the more important factor in deciding which brand/SKU to get.
I personally chose this card because it's less than $100 more than other AIB boards, but I appreciate the lower temps and acoustics, lower case airflow requirements, etc. As well as EVGA's generally good build quality and support.
 
 


Because sometimes people want to buy the top of the range. The best in class. Not the second best. Depends on the wait, sure. I did have a Seahawk X on order until I saw EVGA had gotten this card out. I figured it can't be long for a FTW3 HYBRID. Hence my question - how long to wait.....



I definitely understand this sentiment, and I don't begrudge anyone for wanting the higher label. My point was more that the distinction would be entirely arbitrary, as these 1080ti cards all have the same performance capability. Generally, you're not going to get anymore than 2100mhz overclocked, and this is largely dependent upon: 1. cooling and 2. silicon lottery (most important) since Nvidia hard limits the voltage output. The cooling and silicon for both a hybrid SC2 and hybrid FTW3 will be the same in either case.
 
Channels like Gamers Nexus did an extensive performance test on the 1080 FTW and SC cards and got identical performance results. The slightly higher stock clocks from factory only really matter if you intend to keep your card at stock settings and don't overclock it manually though MSI afterburner or whichever app you choose. In that instance I could see some point to wanting the "better" card, but why not manually OC a hybrid card and just set your base clock higher than factory settings? I imagine 99% of people buying a performance flagship card such as this would be doing this anyhow.
 
I would be shocked if you saw any difference from a hybrid FTW and hybrid SC other than the labeling on the card. To further illustrate this point, I've seen many people achieving higher clock speeds when overclocked manually with the FE cards than ANY of the aftermarket cards. This just means the silicon is better in said instance. The limiting factor with the FE cards though is the poor thermals, which will reduce this headroom potential when throttled. Extra power pin headers and fans, etc, won't increase this headroom for you. What you'll see with the aftermarket cards isn't improved OC headroom overall, but rather the same or lower headroom, but with better thermals and acoustics/aesthetics, helping to negate the issues that highly overclocked FE cards will face with thermal throttling. 
 
Again, just to reiterate, I'm not trying to dissuade people if they want that "higher end" model. My point is just that you should be acknowledging that the "better" card versus the "2nd best" you're referring to in this case will likely have no discernible performance difference when you OC them. In the case of the air cooled FTW and SC variants, there is a case to be made for better thermal dynamics, justifying paying more for the higher/"better" model. In this instance however, I guess I don't see what the "better" is to which you are referring. The only potential I see for waiting would be if EVGA implements some cool new gimmicky-type features on the FTW hybrid... which, again, might be cool, but won't likely help you achieve any extra performance.
 
Apologies for the long post lol... I geek out on these things, and am just trying to facilitate an informed discussion for those maybe on the fence about waiting but dont want to.
On a side note, I would opt for the SC2 hybrid over the Seahawk X, as I've heard of some considerable issues with the Seahawk regarding coil whine and other QA issues. EVGA tends to offer better customer support and warranty help as well, which is a big factor I would take into consideration with a hybrid GPU (extra stuff to wear out; pumps, tubing, fans, etc.)
 
Hope this all makes sense! 
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC2 HYBRID 2017/05/04 14:54:39 (permalink)
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Question.. I just ordered the SC2 Hybrid from Newegg but didn't see anything about the Ghost Recon/For Honor promo.  Is that not available with that card through Newegg?  No big deal if not, just curious since it's available on the EVGA site with the promo.


Hey they should work with you, I just got done talking to a Newegg Rep and he/she hooked me up just explain to them HOW if you didn't order when you did it would have been sold out...below is the transcript:
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 System:  
Connecting...
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Your reference number for this chat session is XXXXXX
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 Customer:  
 
Initial Question/Comment: I just ordered the SC2 Hybrid from Newegg but didn't see anything about the Ghost Recon/For Honor promo.  Is that not available with that card through Newegg? Rep from EVGA said: Should be there, we are reaching out.
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Newegg. has joined this session!
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Connected with Newegg.
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Hi Customer! My name is Newegg Rep..
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 Newegg REP.:  
 
Thank you for bringing this to our attention, I would be more than happy to resolve this issue for you. Would you mind if I have a few minutes to look into this for you?
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 Customer:  
np..and thanks
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 Newegg REP.:  
You are very welcome.
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 Newegg REP.:  
 
Thank you for your patience while I looked into this. I show the promotion starts from 5/2/2017 7:06:25 PM. It seems that your order time is earlier.
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 Customer:  
Yeah but the card would be sold out if I so called waited for a Prom that you gave with all other 1080 ti EVGA cards
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 Newegg REP:  
 
Since we truly value you as our customer. I am willing to make an exception.
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 Customer:  
thanks a lot!!
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 Newegg REP:  
 
You are very welcome.I have created new order # XXXXXX to send the item # XXXXX for you at no cost of your own. Once it’s processed, you will receive the item via email.
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 Newegg REP:  
Is there anything else I can assist you with today?
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 Customer:  
no sir..YOU helped out a great deal!
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC2 HYBRID 2017/05/04 15:00:52 (permalink)
^-- Yep, I had a similar experience. It shouldn't be an issue. Just email them your order number and customer number and explain the situation and you should have a free game code sent to you within a couple of hours.
 
I've found Newegg to offer very good customer service typically. They once sent me a free RMA shipping label to return a $200+ motherboard that was supposed to be exchange only, but for a full refund. That's one big reason why I usually choose to buy from them over many others. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC2 HYBRID 2017/05/04 15:04:06 (permalink)
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These kits are a bit different as they support iCX. (The PWM fan is runs off PWM header)


Please can you tell us when we can purchase this card from the EU store.

The EU store is showing the card as (Auto Notify) only.

Thanks



I've just pre-ordered mine from Scan.co.uk in the UK, expected delievery 8th-10th May.

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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC2 HYBRID 2017/05/04 15:05:35 (permalink)
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Does not look like us poor folk in the UK/EU are going to get a chance of buying this card today 
 
 
 
 


UK/EU/AU is always last in everything. We always get screwed lmao


See my post above, pre order here in the UK...
 
https://www.scan.co.uk/pr...-card-3584-core-1556mh

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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC2 HYBRID 2017/05/04 15:10:48 (permalink)
I don't envy you UK guys... These cards cost an arm and a leg already here. For you guys, they throw in an extra appendage. Then again, you also get cooler accents, so I guess it all balances out.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC2 HYBRID 2017/05/04 15:15:05 (permalink)
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I don't envy you UK guys... These cards cost an arm and a leg already here. For you guys, they throw in an extra appendage. Then again, you also get cooler accents, so I guess it all balances out.


At least they can pre-order. In the US it's the F5 war on all the online stores, no way to preorder anywhere.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC2 HYBRID 2017/05/04 15:21:45 (permalink)
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I don't envy you UK guys... These cards cost an arm and a leg already here. For you guys, they throw in an extra appendage. Then again, you also get cooler accents, so I guess it all balances out.


At least they can pre-order. In the US it's the F5 war on all the online stores, no way to preorder anywhere.


You have a point.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC2 HYBRID 2017/05/04 15:28:12 (permalink)
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I don't envy you UK guys... These cards cost an arm and a leg already here. For you guys, they throw in an extra appendage. Then again, you also get cooler accents, so I guess it all balances out.


Haha yes it just cost me the equivalent of $1072 :-(

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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC2 HYBRID 2017/05/04 15:30:43 (permalink)
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These kits are a bit different as they support iCX. (The PWM fan is runs off PWM header)


Please can you tell us when we can purchase this card from the EU store.

The EU store is showing the card as (Auto Notify) only.

Thanks



I've just pre-ordered mine from Scan.co.uk in the UK, expected delievery 8th-10th May.




Yeah. I noticed SCAN.UK and OC.UK have it for pre-order. I tried to shout out EVGA/Jacob about this news to see if he could give us an update on the  EVGA EU store date but no reply. 
 
I am thinking of placing an order with Scan.UK, as I get most of my parts from them or OC.UK. 
 
Only issue I have is that I ordered my EVGA CLC 280mm CPU Hydro Cooler, from them when it was saying pre-order stock due in 5 day. But I waited over 2 weeks and still nothing.
 
The biggest joke was the day after I cancelled my pre-order the item was in stock .
 
 
Come EVGA, I know you told me the card will be in the EU store this week. Is this still the case?. Can you give us anymore of an update? 

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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC2 HYBRID 2017/05/04 15:32:12 (permalink)
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I don't envy you UK guys... These cards cost an arm and a leg already here. For you guys, they throw in an extra appendage. Then again, you also get cooler accents, so I guess it all balances out.


Haha yes it just cost me the equivalent of $1072 :-(

Hah, well if it's any consolation, it kinda makes me feel relatively better about spending almost one month's rent on a GPU to play games that look a bit better :P.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC2 HYBRID 2017/05/04 15:32:48 (permalink)
Pre-order placed with Scan.co.uk 

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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC2 HYBRID 2017/05/04 15:43:20 (permalink)
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Does not look like us poor folk in the UK/EU are going to get a chance of buying this card today 
 
 
 
 


UK/EU/AU is always last in everything. We always get screwed lmao


See my post above, pre order here in the UK...
 
https://www.scan.co.uk/pr...-card-3584-core-1556mh


Do you guys think I should cancel my FTW3 pre-order from Amazon and order the SC2 Hybrid or FTW3 from Scan instead?? I'm getting pretty fed up with Amazon's lack of communication. I've contacted them various times and not managed to get a word out of them regarding an estimated shipping date for these cards. God knows when they'll get any in stock.

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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC2 HYBRID 2017/05/04 15:58:40 (permalink)
^-- Not being in the UK, I can't comment on the logistics. Kinda depends on your preference and PC build though. Personally, the hybrid is a no-brainer for me. My case has relatively limited airflow compared to some larger, less restrictive setups. My PC also sits on my desk about 10 inches from my head. Furthermore, my GPU is the hottest thing in my case. 
 
For all of these reasons, and the fact that the hybrid only costs like 4% more than the FTW3, I hands-down jumped on board. The quieter operation and improved thermals, without needing extra airflow, make it the best option.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC2 HYBRID 2017/05/04 19:34:02 (permalink)
It would be a freaking awsome upgrade for me; I don´t have that kind of money so, if I win it, I´ll most likely start crying jajajajaja , god guy EVGA
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC2 HYBRID 2017/05/04 19:43:24 (permalink)
I got the SC2 hybrid on Tuesday and it arrives Saturday. Super stoked about that fast shipping from new egg. I would have liked a FTW hybrid just for that bios switch. But in all honesty all 1080ti cards are so over clocked from the factory and then you have GPU boost 3. It really comes down to thermals and acoustics and since EVGA dosent use that trash turbine blower fan on there water card it's a no brainer to go with EVGA. Really don't see why the SC2 HYBRID dosent have RGB lights I mean an 800$ card should but o well I'll forget about all that as soon as I plug it in
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC2 HYBRID 2017/05/04 20:30:06 (permalink)
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I got the SC2 hybrid on Tuesday and it arrives Saturday. Super stoked about that fast shipping from new egg. I would have liked a FTW hybrid just for that bios switch. But in all honesty all 1080ti cards are so over clocked from the factory and then you have GPU boost 3. It really comes down to thermals and acoustics and since EVGA dosent use that trash turbine blower fan on there water card it's a no brainer to go with EVGA. Really don't see why the SC2 HYBRID dosent have RGB lights I mean an 800$ card should but o well I'll forget about all that as soon as I plug it in

Word. Newegg got mine out the same day after 2pm.. and it's coming in tomorrow. Very impressive.
Also, for those bummed about it not being an FTW and/or think I'm just full of it, I recommend checking out the gamers Nexus video posted today on the ftw3 review saying exactly what I've been saying: you get identical performance compared with the SC2. You're not missing anything really.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC2 HYBRID 2017/05/04 21:23:10 (permalink)
Yea I know all about the cards after extensive screen licking over the last year for my new build lol. I'll end up being perfectly fine without a bios switch,powerphases, 8+8 power connection since pascal GPUs are all just so similar in performance . I just have an all glass case so some RGB lights on an 800$ card would have been nice ;P
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC2 HYBRID 2017/05/04 21:25:31 (permalink)
Yeah... Idk... I feel like most gpus don't really have impressive lighting. That's more of a fan/case thing I feel like. Gpus tend to just be more utilitarian given their purpose.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC2 HYBRID 2017/05/04 23:21:02 (permalink)
Got mine ordered from eu.evga. Paid and done. Got a notification mail that it was in stock at 7:48 CET and got receipt mail from paypal at 7:53. I think stock was out before 8. Guess more than me was hanging on the lock...
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC2 HYBRID 2017/05/04 23:43:46 (permalink)
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Got mine ordered from eu.evga. Paid and done. Got a notification mail that it was in stock at 7:48 CET and got receipt mail from paypal at 7:53. I think stock was out before 8. Guess more than me was hanging on the lock...




Got email @ 6.48 London Time, saying EU stock now available. went straight to the product page and card still saying out of stock.  No way the card could of sold out in lest than 10 minutes.

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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC2 HYBRID 2017/05/05 00:05:46 (permalink)
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Got mine ordered from eu.evga. Paid and done. Got a notification mail that it was in stock at 7:48 CET and got receipt mail from paypal at 7:53. I think stock was out before 8. Guess more than me was hanging on the lock...




Got email @ 6.48 London Time, saying EU stock now available. went straight to the product page and card still saying out of stock.  No way the card could of sold out in lest than 10 minutes.


Then I guess it was out in less than 10 mins, I just pushed the order button right away and paid. We got the mail at the same time, was just lucky I'd just gotten my computer started at work so I could get right on it. Might've been a very low stock to begin with =/
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC2 HYBRID 2017/05/05 02:55:17 (permalink)
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I definitely understand this sentiment, and I don't begrudge anyone for wanting the higher label. My point was more that the distinction would be entirely arbitrary, as these 1080ti cards all have the same performance capability. Generally, you're not going to get anymore than 2100mhz overclocked, and this is largely dependent upon: 1. cooling and 2. silicon lottery (most important) since Nvidia hard limits the voltage output. The cooling and silicon for both a hybrid SC2 and hybrid FTW3 will be the same in either case.
 
Channels like Gamers Nexus did an extensive performance test on the 1080 FTW and SC cards and got identical performance results. The slightly higher stock clocks from factory only really matter if you intend to keep your card at stock settings and don't overclock it manually though MSI afterburner or whichever app you choose. In that instance I could see some point to wanting the "better" card, but why not manually OC a hybrid card and just set your base clock higher than factory settings? I imagine 99% of people buying a performance flagship card such as this would be doing this anyhow.
 
I would be shocked if you saw any difference from a hybrid FTW and hybrid SC other than the labeling on the card. To further illustrate this point, I've seen many people achieving higher clock speeds when overclocked manually with the FE cards than ANY of the aftermarket cards. This just means the silicon is better in said instance. The limiting factor with the FE cards though is the poor thermals, which will reduce this headroom potential when throttled. Extra power pin headers and fans, etc, won't increase this headroom for you. What you'll see with the aftermarket cards isn't improved OC headroom overall, but rather the same or lower headroom, but with better thermals and acoustics/aesthetics, helping to negate the issues that highly overclocked FE cards will face with thermal throttling. 
 
Again, just to reiterate, I'm not trying to dissuade people if they want that "higher end" model. My point is just that you should be acknowledging that the "better" card versus the "2nd best" you're referring to in this case will likely have no discernible performance difference when you OC them. In the case of the air cooled FTW and SC variants, there is a case to be made for better thermal dynamics, justifying paying more for the higher/"better" model. In this instance however, I guess I don't see what the "better" is to which you are referring. The only potential I see for waiting would be if EVGA implements some cool new gimmicky-type features on the FTW hybrid... which, again, might be cool, but won't likely help you achieve any extra performance.
 
Apologies for the long post lol... I geek out on these things, and am just trying to facilitate an informed discussion for those maybe on the fence about waiting but dont want to.
On a side note, I would opt for the SC2 hybrid over the Seahawk X, as I've heard of some considerable issues with the Seahawk regarding coil whine and other QA issues. EVGA tends to offer better customer support and warranty help as well, which is a big factor I would take into consideration with a hybrid GPU (extra stuff to wear out; pumps, tubing, fans, etc.)
 
Hope this all makes sense! 
Cheers.




I totally get your point, and to be honest I want guidance from EVGA on whether there will be a FTW3 HYBRID or not so that I can get on and buy a card.
 
The question I'd be interested in (and probably why I hold back for FTW3) is whether there is silicon binning across the card types. Granted, it will make zero difference to my gaming experience however I'm a PC enthusiast and like to push those benchmarks higher. Why? because it's there. 
 
An outcome I expect is that eventually I will get a preorder on a SC2 HYBRID while waiting for the FTW3 HYBRID. Then the FTW3 HYBRID will be announced and I'll cancel and wait even more. Madness really.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC2 HYBRID 2017/05/05 05:21:41 (permalink)
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@Jacob will we see a FTW3 HYBRID? or am I waiting in vain?


I second that question to @Jacob. I want to snag hybrid card but I would love it to be FTW Hybrid card. Please kindly let us know if you plan on releasing FTW Hybrid so I can decide to order or not SC one :)

I think 1080Ti is finally a good time to have more than one Hybrid version, as EVGA usually has 3-4 air-cooled versions.

Thank you very much in advance.



Again, being redundant here... But I really don't understand the issue here, maybe someone can help enlighten me?

The reason for multiple air cooled versions would be to compete with other AIB manufacturers across the $700-$800 spectrum. This makes some sense with air cooled cards, since small tweaks to airflow and thermal padding, fan setup and design, back plating, etc. can all have some marginal impact on performance. Even then however, every 1080ti card is going to perform almost exactly the same on real world applications (~1-4 FPS), depending on the silicon lottery (this is the biggest variable in OC performance). Outside of this however, really all you're comparing across that air cooled spectrum is aesthetics, acoustics and temperature under load differences. This already being a water cooled card, the acoustics and thermals are not going to be an issue at all. The FTW3 and SC2 aesthetics are very similar as well, and would be as hybrids, perhaps even more-so. 

I guess I don't understand people's hesitance to just buy this card rather than postpone for an FTW hybrid? Can someone help me to understand? I'm not trying to be confrontational here. I genuinely just don't understand if I'm missing something here, and maybe help some people decipher the different reasons for why you would want an FTW or SC2, etc.

P.S. as an aside, Jayztwocents on youtube just did a video talking about this very issue in his testing of the ASUS 1080ti Strix. He said that he's not even going to post performance benchmark test results because all of these cards are going to perform about the same. Instead, he just talked about the acoustics, aesthetics and other small details that really are the more important factor in deciding which brand/SKU to get.
I personally chose this card because it's less than $100 more than other AIB boards, but I appreciate the lower temps and acoustics, lower case airflow requirements, etc. As well as EVGA's generally good build quality and support.




Because sometimes people want to buy the top of the range. The best in class. Not the second best. Depends on the wait, sure. I did have a Seahawk X on order until I saw EVGA had gotten this card out. I figured it can't be long for a FTW3 HYBRID. Hence my question - how long to wait.....



I definitely understand this sentiment, and I don't begrudge anyone for wanting the higher label. My point was more that the distinction would be entirely arbitrary, as these 1080ti cards all have the same performance capability. Generally, you're not going to get anymore than 2100mhz overclocked, and this is largely dependent upon: 1. cooling and 2. silicon lottery (most important) since Nvidia hard limits the voltage output. The cooling and silicon for both a hybrid SC2 and hybrid FTW3 will be the same in either case.
 
Channels like Gamers Nexus did an extensive performance test on the 1080 FTW and SC cards and got identical performance results. The slightly higher stock clocks from factory only really matter if you intend to keep your card at stock settings and don't overclock it manually though MSI afterburner or whichever app you choose. In that instance I could see some point to wanting the "better" card, but why not manually OC a hybrid card and just set your base clock higher than factory settings? I imagine 99% of people buying a performance flagship card such as this would be doing this anyhow.
 
I would be shocked if you saw any difference from a hybrid FTW and hybrid SC other than the labeling on the card. To further illustrate this point, I've seen many people achieving higher clock speeds when overclocked manually with the FE cards than ANY of the aftermarket cards. This just means the silicon is better in said instance. The limiting factor with the FE cards though is the poor thermals, which will reduce this headroom potential when throttled. Extra power pin headers and fans, etc, won't increase this headroom for you. What you'll see with the aftermarket cards isn't improved OC headroom overall, but rather the same or lower headroom, but with better thermals and acoustics/aesthetics, helping to negate the issues that highly overclocked FE cards will face with thermal throttling. 
 
Again, just to reiterate, I'm not trying to dissuade people if they want that "higher end" model. My point is just that you should be acknowledging that the "better" card versus the "2nd best" you're referring to in this case will likely have no discernible performance difference when you OC them. In the case of the air cooled FTW and SC variants, there is a case to be made for better thermal dynamics, justifying paying more for the higher/"better" model. In this instance however, I guess I don't see what the "better" is to which you are referring. The only potential I see for waiting would be if EVGA implements some cool new gimmicky-type features on the FTW hybrid... which, again, might be cool, but won't likely help you achieve any extra performance.
 
Apologies for the long post lol... I geek out on these things, and am just trying to facilitate an informed discussion for those maybe on the fence about waiting but dont want to.
On a side note, I would opt for the SC2 hybrid over the Seahawk X, as I've heard of some considerable issues with the Seahawk regarding coil whine and other QA issues. EVGA tends to offer better customer support and warranty help as well, which is a big factor I would take into consideration with a hybrid GPU (extra stuff to wear out; pumps, tubing, fans, etc.)
 
Hope this all makes sense! 
Cheers.




Ok, to make it straight. SC2 Hybrid is not maximum potential design they could get. This is basicelly I think a FE/reference card with their ICX plus cooler. That means it has probably the same 300W Power Limit as FE card, so Voltage slider won't go further in Afterburner than 110%, giving you 300W max

So that takes us to the next point: why to buy Hybrid card? I don't think people buy it for stock performance, which won't different from air AIBs or for silent work since air coolers from MSI or Asus are DEADLY silent on stock settings.

Most people want Hybrid to avoid thermal throttling on card when overclocking it. At least this is what I aim for. Pascal cards downclock one voltage bin after hitting 39C, 50C and 61C. A good water cooled card that can keep temps in 50C range can avoid at least one or two downclocks making your clocks better. Also lower temp makes clocks more stable.

However, SC2 Hybrid is probably only 300W card. That takes us to the second throttling on Pascal card- power limit. Doesn't matter if your card has low temps and can achieve higher clocks on higher voltage if your card is hitting its TDP limit it will downclock itself anyway. It is also only 6+8 pin card, cutting power delivery anyway, so flashing BIOS won't help too much.

So basicelly the potential of Hybrid card is little lost here with Pascal architecture.

Now if we could get FTW3 Hybrid card with its 127% Power Limit, so 350-355W and 8+8 pins then we could squeeze absolutly maximum out of the chip that we'd get.

So if there is FTW Hybrid coming I would like to know because I OC my stuff, not let it run stock :)
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC2 HYBRID 2017/05/05 05:25:09 (permalink)
You don't need top of line components and phases for Pascal overclocking. This is still the custom iCX solution. All the extra sensors are there. The FTW3 is really overkill for the 1080Ti right now.


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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC2 HYBRID 2017/05/05 11:46:10 (permalink)
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I sent them an email with my order info and asking about the code. They responded with the code in about an hour. Try contacting them again.


Emailing them worked!

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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC2 HYBRID 2017/05/05 13:07:50 (permalink)
EVGA. Any estimates on the next batch of EU stock?. 
 
The Stock that was available this Morning. 6.48am UK. Sold out in about 5 Minutes .
 
I was on the tube going to work like many at that time, so missed out after 3 days of watching/waiting.
 
We did not even get a forum post from you guys confirming EU stock now in.
 
The lack of info given to your EU Customers is shocking. US customers get regular updates on EVGA + Etailers restocks.
 
I know I will end up getting this card but why no pre-orders, why are you guys making it so hard  
 
 
 

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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC2 HYBRID 2017/05/05 13:18:04 (permalink)
 
"Ok, to make it straight. SC2 Hybrid is not maximum potential design they could get. This is basicelly I think a FE/reference card with their ICX plus cooler. That means it has probably the same 300W Power Limit as FE card, so Voltage slider won't go further in Afterburner than 110%, giving you 300W max

So that takes us to the next point: why to buy Hybrid card? I don't think people buy it for stock performance, which won't different from air AIBs or for silent work since air coolers from MSI or Asus are DEADLY silent on stock settings.

Most people want Hybrid to avoid thermal throttling on card when overclocking it. At least this is what I aim for. Pascal cards downclock one voltage bin after hitting 39C, 50C and 61C. A good water cooled card that can keep temps in 50C range can avoid at least one or two downclocks making your clocks better. Also lower temp makes clocks more stable.

However, SC2 Hybrid is probably only 300W card. That takes us to the second throttling on Pascal card- power limit. Doesn't matter if your card has low temps and can achieve higher clocks on higher voltage if your card is hitting its TDP limit it will downclock itself anyway. It is also only 6+8 pin card, cutting power delivery anyway, so flashing BIOS won't help too much.

So basicelly the potential of Hybrid card is little lost here with Pascal architecture."
 
 
... Yeah I hear ya. Just from what I've seen, the power limit on the PCB isn't what restricts or limits the top end on these cards, it's just the Nvidia design itself. My impression is that once you get cooling under control, it's really mostly up to the silicon gods as to how far you can go. Pumping way more vlots into the thing won't get you there though.
 
 


Now if we could get FTW3 Hybrid card with its 127% Power Limit, so 350-355W and 8+8 pins then we could squeeze absolutly maximum out of the chip that we'd get.

So if there is FTW Hybrid coming I would like to know because I OC my stuff, not let it run stock :)




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