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Re:EVGA GTX 590 pic? 2011/01/08 11:06:15 (permalink)
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lol evga must be with Nvidia, or another group, they aren't even listed at CES.



 


 
Yeah, you say it on your site evga, but the official CES site does not have evga listed in the exihbitors. Just think that it is funny.

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Re:EVGA GTX 590 pic? 2011/01/08 16:22:17 (permalink)
Post Removed. EVGA has lost what used to be a lifelong customer!
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Re:EVGA GTX 590 pic? 2011/01/08 16:31:34 (permalink)
The reason why I think that 2 GPU's is a good idea is because I haven't had any bad experience with it. Example, my GTX 295 dual gpu runs great. I can play games with settings on the highest. In other words, I don't see what the bad rap is about it, tbh.

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Re:EVGA GTX 590 pic? 2011/01/08 16:37:59 (permalink)
is SLI and Dual GPU on one card the same?  cuz I know sometimes games won't recognize SLI...will this be the same as a dual GPU on the same card?
 
 
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Re:EVGA GTX 590 pic? 2011/01/08 16:52:30 (permalink)
Agree with Xrayman. If this card is priced right, it will blow AMD out of the water!!! Love the idea.......
 
 
 
 
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Re:EVGA GTX 590 pic? 2011/01/08 17:07:37 (permalink)
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Re:EVGA GTX 590 pic? 2011/01/08 18:31:28 (permalink)
Looking at the pic there is not much in the way of a air outlet for the 2 or 3 fans. Seem it will more than likely it will have heat issues or add heated air into your case. Both of which is not benefical.  Wish I could see a better picture of the whole card. 
 
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Re:EVGA GTX 590 pic? 2011/01/08 18:46:06 (permalink)
Looks like 3x120mm fans = 11.8 inchs so that card has to be over one 12 inchs. "it looks bad a--"

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Re:EVGA GTX 590 pic? 2011/01/08 18:50:44 (permalink)
As fas as its size is concerned, this card dwarfs the water-cooled Evga GTX 580 as it appears to be at least a couple of inches longer.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/EVGA-Dual-GPU-Nvidia-Graphics-Card-Pictured-Presumably-GTX-590-176759.shtml

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Re:EVGA GTX 590 pic? 2011/01/08 18:59:48 (permalink)
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As fas as its size is concerned, this card dwarfs the water-cooled Evga GTX 580 as it appears to be at least a couple of inches longer.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/EVGA-Dual-GPU-Nvidia-Graphics-Card-Pictured-Presumably-GTX-590-176759.shtml


Looking at the pics from the link that XrayMan just provided it looks like it will certainly add a lot of warm air into the case.  I have the HAF 932 which would actually handel this very well with the 230 mm fans in the door right above the video cards.
 
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Re:EVGA GTX 590 pic? 2011/01/08 19:23:09 (permalink)
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Another note is that if this indeed to be called the GTX590 that may imply that this is not going to be the fastest dual GPU coming from Nvidia and is probably not the intended rival to AMD's Antilles dual GPU card. Perhaps Nvidia is leaving room for the GTX595........

The pic in post #56 is probably the GTX595 with dual GF110's.

Edit:
Looks like it's a dual 470, so dual 570 is not impossible:


That picture was released quite some time before and you ever notice that it was never released?

Probably because of the very reasons I mentioned, namely power draw and temperatures.

Well, the pic with the chick holding the card in post #56 was released on Dec 14th in a Korean article, no that long ago.   They probably changed the chips from 470 to 570.  Anyways, I think nvidia is letting their AIB partners to come up with their own dual GPU products this time. 
 
Here's the description of the Galaxy card translated from Korean:
GF110 published in dual-GPU card is shown by the length of the 40cm level, 8 +2 phase power configuration provides 8 +8 pin PCIe auxiliary power connectors, nF200 SLi SLi bridge chipset consists of the base can expect a high performance GF110 is also based on power consumption is expected to be quite high.
 
http://www.bodnara.co.kr/bbs/article.html?imode=view&D=7&cate=3&d_category=8&num=80489
 
post edited by ehau - 2011/01/08 19:36:47
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Re:EVGA GTX 590 pic? 2011/01/08 19:28:35 (permalink)
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Looks like 3x120mm fans = 11.8 inchs so that card has to be over one 12 inchs. "it looks bad a--"

 
I'm pretty sure they are 92mm fans but I agree that the card length seems to be at least 12 inches.
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Re:EVGA GTX 590 pic? 2011/01/08 19:37:02 (permalink)
hmm ASUS also has an Engineering Sample of a M.A.R.S. 2 with Dual GTX 480 GPU's on board and 1536MB 384 Bit GDDR5 per GPU:http://www.overclock3d.ne...pu_-_leaked_pictures/1

 
The VRM's aka Voltage Regulator Modules & capacitors:

 
Dual GF100-375-A3, same GPU used for GTX 480

 
So yeah, a GTX 595 with Dual GTX 580's isn't impossible either, reallty if NV wants to crush the HD 6990 and make avery good competittor, a GTX 595 with 580 cores and ram but then @ 570 speeds would not be a bad idea me thinks.

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Re:EVGA GTX 590 pic? 2011/01/08 19:43:16 (permalink)
I love dual cards...it's been too long since I ran quad-sli, and I welcome this new development.  Johnksss and I have been waiting for this for almost a year now.  Aftermarket cooler design is nice...should be nice and quiet.  It's also the first thing I'm yanking off of there, lol
 
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Re:EVGA GTX 590 pic? 2011/01/08 19:45:35 (permalink)
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Looking at the pic there is not much in the way of a air outlet for the 2 or 3 fans. Seem it will more than likely it will have heat issues or add heated air into your case. Both of which is not benefical.  Wish I could see a better picture of the whole card. 

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I dont know why everybody thinks having the air blow back in the case is a bad idea?As far as the 460s go,the non EE 460s stay cooler than the EE versions.If you have a good airflow case,it really doesnt matter.After seeing how cool my reference cooler 460 is,I wouldnt buy any card again that only blows out the back.



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Re:EVGA GTX 590 pic? 2011/01/08 19:50:09 (permalink)
hehe yeah I had Quad SLI myselfr with the GTX 295 RE's one of these was a Golden Sample which I obtained from Johnksss ;)
 
Only I had to sell the cards for a major system upgrade, for a Dual Opteron 6174 HE setup, which i am dealign with atm, the 480's I am using now can be seen in my sig, they are good enough to keep me going for now until the dual Opty 6174 HE is up and runnign I'll go for Dual Kepler by then instead.
Quad SLI did work well, but it doesn't scale too well , the micro stutters were also around, howeevr the best GX2 made was indeed the GTX 295, no comprimise there.
 
I got a good 40% boost in speed by using the 480's over the GTX 295 RE's when it comes to game performance, Fermi has gotten evry mature these days.
 
As for a new GX2, GX2 580 is what we need, even to take on HD 6990 seriously. Dual GTX 560 will be like 9800GX2 just not good enough to do it, 2x 1GB ram isn't enough as seen that a GTX 480 like 580 did have alot of advantages from that extra 128Bit ram bus plus 512MB , making the ram not 1024MB 256 GDDR5, but 1536MB 384 bit GDDR5 instead, just that little extra bandwidth and ram amount did miracles.
 
So placing to mid end chips against ATis best high end chips won't be a wise move, might be better for GPGPU but mainlyy for games the HD 6990 will be faster me thinks, we alls een how well CFX does scale on ATI's 6000 series.
post edited by Gold Leader - 2011/01/08 19:54:56


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Re:EVGA GTX 590 pic? 2011/01/08 20:00:47 (permalink)
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you know looking at it again I wanna know when video cards will begin to get smaller again, the sheer size and length of some of these things is just a little ridiculous XD
They'll get smaller when higher-end folks boycott their desires and refuse a faster card they can afford just because it's is too big.   Question is how much is anyone willing to pay just to get them smaller, because it will be extra (the way they are designed is optimised to cost the least)
 
So far the only way you can demand a smaller-sized decently powerful graphics card is to get an MXM card in powerful laptop.  The GeForce GTX485M is set to come using the GF114's full 384-shaders and of course the card itself isn't any bigger than a DVD and rated for 100W TDP bracket.  As for the cost, look at the running price of a GTX480M for reference at 820 Euros (US$ 1060).    For the purposes of scale, half the power and half the size equals four times the cost.

Also demand for these things are relatively low, high dev costs divide by low demand = high unit costs, this is true for any type of product.
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Re:EVGA GTX 590 pic? 2011/01/08 21:01:46 (permalink)
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Another note is that if this indeed to be called the GTX590 that may imply that this is not going to be the fastest dual GPU coming from Nvidia and is probably not the intended rival to AMD's Antilles dual GPU card. Perhaps Nvidia is leaving room for the GTX595........

The pic in post #56 is probably the GTX595 with dual GF110's.

Edit:
Looks like it's a dual 470, so dual 570 is not impossible:


That picture was released quite some time before and you ever notice that it was never released?

Probably because of the very reasons I mentioned, namely power draw and temperatures.

Well, the pic with the chick holding the card in post #56 was released on Dec 14th in a Korean article, no that long ago.   They probably changed the chips from 470 to 570.  Anyways, I think nvidia is letting their AIB partners to come up with their own dual GPU products this time. 

Here's the description of the Galaxy card translated from Korean:
GF110 published in dual-GPU card is shown by the length of the 40cm level, 8 +2 phase power configuration provides 8 +8 pin PCIe auxiliary power connectors, nF200 SLi SLi bridge chipset consists of the base can expect a high performance GF110 is also based on power consumption is expected to be quite high.

http://www.bodnara.co.kr/bbs/article.html?imode=view&D=7&cate=3&d_category=8&num=80489


You just don't get it do you? The card was not released. There is no where you can go a buy a dual GTX470 card. The card exists as prototype and one can only assume it was never released to the public because of it's power requirements that would far exceed PCI-E specifications and knowing the 4 series cards 1st hand the heat output from them would be significant.
 
Yes Nvidia could if they wanted to just shirk safety guidelines and release something that draws way more than what it currently supported by PCI-E specs and risk getting blamed and sued for imminent hardware failure like melted motherboards, blown PSUs, fires...ect. Yes if they wanted to they could just do that. But the point of the matter is that they won't have have not done so. These cards like the prototype dual GTX480 card exist as exercises and there is no doubt that Nvidia tried and probably tried hard to make something like it happen, but in the end they have yet to succeed.
 
In order for that to be a possibility, they would need to get power and TDP's well under what they are with the current high end single GPUs like the GTX570 and GTX580. This in all likely hood will probably not happen until a die shrink of the current Fermi architecture or by castrating what they currently have to get the desired results.
 
In the end the card in question in the post is all but confirmed at this point to be a dual GF104 or GF114 card and not something higher.

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Re:EVGA GTX 590 pic? 2011/01/08 21:30:49 (permalink)
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Re:EVGA GTX 590 pic? 2011/01/08 21:57:31 (permalink)
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Re:EVGA GTX 590 pic? 2011/01/08 22:00:09 (permalink)
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I love dual cards...it's been too long since I ran quad-sli, and I welcome this new development.  Johnksss and I have been waiting for this for almost a year now.  Aftermarket cooler design is nice...should be nice and quiet.  It's also the first thing I'm yanking off of there, lol

Ahhhh...back to the 2x GTX 295 days.   And no negative comments about the 295's, haters....they were, and still are, great cards.

Absolutely agree  I also still waiting to update my 2x gtx 295 

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Re:EVGA GTX 590 pic? 2011/01/08 22:04:54 (permalink)
Bottom line, It is going to be a great card or a POS. Lets wait and see. I hope it is priced so humans can afford it......

    
  

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Re:EVGA GTX 590 pic? 2011/01/09 06:44:38 (permalink)
Yeppers my dualies running in harmony are doing great. Hopefully this new offerings are to my liking and replace my 295's too.

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Re:EVGA GTX 590 pic? 2011/01/09 13:29:33 (permalink)
T_Flight Now, I could see that on the AMD Zone where they have that thing on the brain that somehow putting 2 lower end GPU's, and confining twice the heat into a small area is a good thing

 
AMD GPUs are inherently cooler than Nvidia GPUs, more so in the previous generation. Two 150 watt GPUs in the 5970 is actually easier to cool than a single 280 watt GPU in the 480 GTX, because heatsink conductivity isn't such an issue with two main sources instead of one.
 
They are piling 2 gpu's ina  confined area and dumping that heat into a HSF that already isn;t sufficient to cool these cards (thus why so mnay of us run aftermarket water)

 
Obviously the HSF is sufficient, as the otherwise the failure/return rate on 2GPU cards would be too high to make stocking them profitable. Though I certainly prefer water cooling for anything but a budget computer.
 
build themselves of a pre-equipped bottleneck by overload a single 16x slot with 2 GPU's when you can already split that up by using two cards in 2 ports which we already know scales extremely well now with these i7 rigs thanks to the X58 chipset.

 
Using a single x16 slot hasn't been a significant bottleneck up until now; benchmarks have shown between a 0% and 3% drop in performance when using two x8 instead of two x16. The bottleneck will be even less relevant with a 2GPU card as the data is switched, so either GPU can use more than 50% of the bandwidth if the other GPU is using less. x16 PCIe x16 is probably just starting to become a significant bottleneck for 2GPU cards in this generation, but PCIe 3.0 will double the bandwidth and remove it again.
 
To get them to stay within the power spec they automatically have to gimp the two GPU's knowing they will exeed the 300 watt spec if they don't.

 
I agree that dual GPU cards are a bad idea if you just buying one, for this reason and this reason only. Two single GPU cards will be able to run at higher clocks, though probably with more power draw and noise. However installing two dual GPU cards is a much more practical way to get quad SLI / Crossfire than four individual cards; few users have the motherboards and cases to handle this. At the ultra high end, dual GPU (with single slot watercooling) is the only way to get more GPUs than you have physical PCIe slots, which is good for high-density compute servers.

NVidia already has single GPU solutions that Completely Destroy the Competitions Dual GPU

 
No, they do not. The 480 GTX has much lower performance than the 5970. The 580 catches up to it in a couple of Nvidia-optimised games, but still loses in the majority of benchmarks against a previous-gen card. The 6990 will destroy the 580 at least as badly as the 5970 destroyed the 480 (probably moreso because AMD have improved their Crossfire performance since they). As you say though this doesn't really matter for twin-GPU setups, as you can just buy two GTX570s and almost certainly get higher performance than the 6990. It does matter in that two 6990s will utterly destroy two 580s, and unlike three/four cards will work with most cases and motherboards.
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Re:EVGA GTX 590 pic? 2011/01/09 14:22:18 (permalink)
Do we have anymore information on this card, or was that all that they intended to give us at CES, ohhh lets have a photo op, and no specs?
 
Hmm this is starting to sound like the early fermi days all over again, (possible fake card anyone?) the power plugs do match up to the pins in the pictures right? Maybe I better take a second look and see if this is obviously a fake card.
 
It annoys the crap out of me when they want to be all secretive about something but yet they will just put it right out there in the open. Kinda makes me wanna punch the booth person in the face and run off with the card just to take it apart so that we can go "HA SEE WE HAVE SOME SPECS, NOW WAS THAT SO HARD?"
 
Man I get worked up over trash like this.

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Re:EVGA GTX 590 pic? 2011/01/09 15:27:49 (permalink)
more info, confirmed 2 GB total ram, 1GB per GPU
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1526/1/
 
Also saying in the video "this is an EVGA product, not a Nvidia product" so it seems to be more in line with the Asus mars type cards, designed by EVGA and not Nvidia.
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Re:EVGA GTX 590 pic? 2011/01/09 17:33:39 (permalink)
okay just stirring the pot here, they put a 580 with a 512 but bus on it. Roflmao

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Re:EVGA GTX 590 pic? 2011/01/09 18:28:25 (permalink)
well, enough speculating already... let's hope we hear an announcement soon (since tomorrow is monday).
 
though, at this point, i think dual 580s would be the best bet. I just purchased a 430 for a hackintosh... so i may decide to step up if it's eligible... or just  buy a new one outright.

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Re:EVGA GTX 590 pic? 2011/01/09 18:31:08 (permalink)
Regardless of whether it's 114s or 110s, the three DVI + tiny rear vent setup utterly sucks. For air-cooling people because the case will be flooded with hot air from the 375 watt card, and for water-cooling people because there's no way to make the card single-slot without using a hacksaw. Nvidia is obviously too backwards to use DisplayPort, but EVGA could and should have used Apple-style mini-DVI connectors (with the spare pins utilised for dual link support). That way they could have had four DVI outputs, a full slot vent, less thermal issues and the single-slot option for water-cooling users.
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Re:EVGA GTX 590 pic? 2011/01/09 18:44:34 (permalink)
STELLAR!


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