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I bought my EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 SC Gaming (6GB) and noticed that there is a difference on the cooler. My model has black tape on the rear of the cooler (left side of photos below). The older models posted on TH (l) seems to have no tape on the rear of the cooler. I have a few guesses as to why this is so (prob for redirecting more airflow over VRMs and memory). I am wondering why this mod was put into place because it doesn't make sense since all it does is push all the hot air into my case out of three sides of the card rather than without the tape it pushes hot air out of all four sides of the card. Should I remove it? Older cooler: My Cooler:
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Re: EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Black Tape on rear of cooler?
2018/03/27 18:44:38
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Re: EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Black Tape on rear of cooler?
2018/03/27 18:55:19
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Re: EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Black Tape on rear of cooler?
2018/03/28 05:32:43
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https://drive.google.com/open?id=1rPSUarPNGt1Qm53cIb0G43YFJwagnqAu Does this link work better ?
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Re: EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Black Tape on rear of cooler?
2018/03/28 07:02:44
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Thought this might be easier :)
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Re: EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Black Tape on rear of cooler?
2018/03/28 08:02:23
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Yes - exactly. That black tape covering the rear part of the fins (airflow would exit out of the back of the card but its blocked by the tape). Functionally speaking, this only make sense if more airflow was needed over the VRMs and memory. This makes airflow restricted to three sides of the cooler and only empties into my case. On the other hand, if the tape was removed (similar to the original version of the cooler) airflow would exit out of the back of the card giving the fourth side of the card for warm air to escape (also outside of my case). I may run some testing with the tape on and the tape removed and post to YT. If anyone has some technical input on whether I should leave the tape or remove it please let me know. Thanks! =)
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Re: EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Black Tape on rear of cooler?
2018/03/28 08:14:39
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Probably call evga and ask. The tape is probably protecting the heatsink from shorting something on the pcb.. if it is touching it.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Black Tape on rear of cooler?
2018/03/28 09:12:17
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AHowes The tape is probably protecting the heatsink from shorting something on the pcb.. if it is touching it.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Black Tape on rear of cooler?
2018/04/02 22:45:02
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I noticed this as well and would love to know the reason for the tape. I use the card in a very small ITX enclosure and if hot air could exit the case that would be great
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Re: EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Black Tape on rear of cooler?
2018/04/02 23:41:33
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This was one of the many changes we made during the thermal mod period. IIRC, the tape is a piece of acetate tape designed to mostly keep airflow directed towards the GPU and other components that can get warm. This was only done on one model of the GTX 1060's that I can remember, but it's been a while.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Black Tape on rear of cooler?
2018/04/03 04:24:18
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Agreed. I’m working on testing it tonight where I’ll show performance with and without tape. Not sure if the tape actually protects PCB components because the older cooler didn’t have any tape. Stay tuned!
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Re: EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Black Tape on rear of cooler?
2018/04/03 04:27:14
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EVGATech_LeeM This was one of the many changes we made during the thermal mod period. IIRC, the tape is a piece of acetate tape designed to mostly keep airflow directed towards the GPU and other components that can get warm. This was only done on one model of the GTX 1060's that I can remember, but it's been a while.
Cool. I find it to be very nice this simple mods you guys make. Yet simple, but functional.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Black Tape on rear of cooler?
2018/04/03 10:57:27
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adelli Agreed. I’m working on testing it tonight where I’ll show performance with and without tape. Not sure if the tape actually protects PCB components because the older cooler didn’t have any tape. Stay tuned!
Do you have a way of testing vrm temperatures? I was a bit disappointed when I noticed that I cannot check those in GPU z, but with my Rx 480 it was possible...
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Re: EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Black Tape on rear of cooler?
2018/04/03 11:43:44
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There is no way to test VRM temps with software on the GTX 1060 6GB SC. Only way to test is to hook up an infrared thermometer (most feasible with an open test bench). I will be working on testing tonight with video posted to YT either tonight or tomorrow with the black tape item.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Black Tape on rear of cooler?
2018/04/03 18:46:11
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30 min Heaven Benchmark Extreme Concise Methods GPU Fan @ 50% (1958 RPM) Rear Case Fan @ 100% (1920RPM) Noise = 42 dB Stock Core GPU Clock and Memory Default Voltage Curve Ambient Temps: 19.4 to 20 °C *Delta Temps = Raw Temp - Ambient Temp, then average posted below. Sample Size is 800-900 at one recording every 2000 ms Stock with Tape Raw Mean Temps: 75.2 °C ± 0.4 (95%CI) Delta Mean Temps: 54.1 °C ± 0.4 (95%CI) Stock without Tape Raw Mean Temps: 65.4 °C ± 0.3 (95%CI) Delta Mean Temps: 45.4 °C ± 0.3 (95%CI) Got to get to bed soon but thought I would post here. I'll work on the video tomorrow. LMK if you have any questions.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Black Tape on rear of cooler?
2018/04/03 22:13:15
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adelli 30 min Heaven Benchmark Extreme Concise Methods GPU Fan @ 50% (1958 RPM) Rear Case Fan @ 100% (1920RPM) Noise = 42 dB Stock Core GPU Clock and Memory Default Voltage Curve Ambient Temps: 19.4 to 20 °C *Delta Temps = Raw Temp - Ambient Temp, then average posted below. Sample Size is 800-900 at one recording every 2000 ms Stock with Tape Raw Mean Temps: 75.2 °C ± 0.4 (95%CI) Delta Mean Temps: 54.1 °C ± 0.4 (95%CI) Stock without Tape Raw Mean Temps: 65.4 °C ± 0.3 (95%CI) Delta Mean Temps: 45.4 °C ± 0.3 (95%CI) Got to get to bed soon but thought I would post here. I'll work on the video tomorrow. LMK if you have any questions.
Well that is a massive difference and explains why experiences with this card are so different for people. Only real question I have are the VRM: did you have a chance of checking them? Oh and what is your YouTube channel? And thank you for testing and sharing results
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Re: EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Black Tape on rear of cooler?
2018/04/03 22:50:12
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adelli 30 min Heaven Benchmark Extreme Concise Methods GPU Fan @ 50% (1958 RPM) Rear Case Fan @ 100% (1920RPM) Noise = 42 dB Stock Core GPU Clock and Memory Default Voltage Curve Ambient Temps: 19.4 to 20 °C *Delta Temps = Raw Temp - Ambient Temp, then average posted below. Sample Size is 800-900 at one recording every 2000 ms Stock with Tape Raw Mean Temps: 75.2 °C ± 0.4 (95%CI) Delta Mean Temps: 54.1 °C ± 0.4 (95%CI) Stock without Tape Raw Mean Temps: 65.4 °C ± 0.3 (95%CI) Delta Mean Temps: 45.4 °C ± 0.3 (95%CI) Got to get to bed soon but thought I would post here. I'll work on the video tomorrow. LMK if you have any questions.
Question, was the first test with the tape on the stock or original TIM? I ask because replacing the TIM alone can have substantial impact on GPU core temps.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Black Tape on rear of cooler?
2018/04/04 04:13:55
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HeavyHemi Question, was the first test with the tape on the stock or original TIM? I ask because replacing the TIM alone can have substantial impact on GPU core temps.
IMO, I would assume it's not the original TIM, since OP had removed the heatsink before the tests.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Black Tape on rear of cooler?
2018/04/04 06:41:30
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Only real question I have are the VRM: did you have a chance of checking them? -No I don't own an open test bench or a infrared thermometer...yet =]
Oh and what is your YouTube channel? -Tech Professor (same logo) . I just started so really nothing on it yet. I am a college professor but tech stuff is my side passion project. Question, was the first test with the tape on the stock or original TIM? I ask because replacing the TIM alone can have substantial impact on GPU core temps. - YES...forgot this part. Ugh, I am usually better at reporting so my results aren't suspect. I have 3 sets of data. Stock with Tape, TIM Replaced with Tape, TIM Replaced without Tape. I reported only Stock With Tape and TIM replaced without above. If I recall correctly, the raw temps for the results (TIM Replaced with Tape) I left out were ~69°C . I don't have access to the data in front of me right now because I am at work.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Black Tape on rear of cooler?
2018/04/04 07:52:37
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adelli Only real question I have are the VRM: did you have a chance of checking them? -No I don't own an open test bench or a infrared thermometer...yet =]
Oh and what is your YouTube channel? -Tech Professor (same logo) . I just started so really nothing on it yet. I am a college professor but tech stuff is my side passion project. Question, was the first test with the tape on the stock or original TIM? I ask because replacing the TIM alone can have substantial impact on GPU core temps. - YES...forgot this part. Ugh, I am usually better at reporting so my results aren't suspect. I have 3 sets of data. Stock with Tape, TIM Replaced with Tape, TIM Replaced without Tape. I reported only Stock With Tape and TIM replaced without above. If I recall correctly, the raw temps for the results (TIM Replaced with Tape) I left out were ~69°C . I don't have access to the data in front of me right now because I am at work.
Nice. Very cool and thanks for testing. The vrms kinda worry me. It would be very interesting to know more. However, I still think that heating the card up in general would also increase vrm temps more than the mod helps....dunno.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Black Tape on rear of cooler?
2018/04/04 08:12:51
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adelli Only real question I have are the VRM: did you have a chance of checking them? -No I don't own an open test bench or a infrared thermometer...yet =]
Oh and what is your YouTube channel? -Tech Professor (same logo) . I just started so really nothing on it yet. I am a college professor but tech stuff is my side passion project. Question, was the first test with the tape on the stock or original TIM? I ask because replacing the TIM alone can have substantial impact on GPU core temps. - YES...forgot this part. Ugh, I am usually better at reporting so my results aren't suspect. I have 3 sets of data. Stock with Tape, TIM Replaced with Tape, TIM Replaced without Tape. I reported only Stock With Tape and TIM replaced without above. If I recall correctly, the raw temps for the results (TIM Replaced with Tape) I left out were ~69°C . I don't have access to the data in front of me right now because I am at work.
Okay, so if I read you correctly your first test was with the stock thermal paste and tape and the second test you reported was without the tape and new paste. Okay. That makes more sense for the thermal delta of ~5C or so. Blocking even a relatively small area can affect thermals significantly as even moderate dust can replicate the same effect. It may be they decided that redirecting some external airflow to other components was worth the trade off in marginally increased core temps. That would take more testing to determine.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Black Tape on rear of cooler?
2018/04/04 08:39:12
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Yes - correct three tests in this order (1) Stock Card with Tape, (2) Replaced TIM with Tape, (3) Replaced TIM without Tape. I will edit the post tonight with graphs (bar graph with mean temps & line graph with temps over time) when I get home. So the delta from just replacing the TIM was ~5 °C, and the delta from replacing the TIM + Removing the tape was ~5°C . I will also share the data to make it publically available tonight. I believe this is the most important aspect of testing, is independent verification and sharing data so we all can use it. Many tests in the PC tech community use the empirical method (really only descriptive data) whereas I am trying to make a push for open access to data and the use of the scientific method for testing. Also - the VRM temps I do not seem to be that serious of an issue. There are thermal pads (1mm) on the VRMs and Memory covered by a black aluminum heat spreader (1mm) see pic below. You could replace the stock thermal pads with something fancier (i.e., Fujipoly Extreme XR @ 17W/mK), but anything around 6W/mK thermal pads would do just fine. With a custom voltage curve, I can OC to +160Mhz on the clock at 1.00 V stable. I haven't pushed the card since removing the tape but will do more tinkering tonight. Also - the best part of removing the tape isn't the improvement GPU thermals. It is improved thermals inside your case. I noticed that all of my components were noticeably cooler. (Again, you can verify with data I'll upload tonight, so looks like the video will be delayed a bit).
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Re: EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Black Tape on rear of cooler?
2018/04/04 09:06:30
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adelli Yes - correct three tests in this order (1) Stock Card with Tape, (2) Replaced TIM with Tape, (3) Replaced TIM without Tape. I will edit the post tonight with graphs (bar graph with mean temps & line graph with temps over time) when I get home. So the delta from just replacing the TIM was ~5 °C, and the delta from replacing the TIM + Removing the tape was ~5°C . I will also share the data to make it publically available tonight. I believe this is the most important aspect of testing, is independent verification and sharing data so we all can use it. Many tests in the PC tech community use the empirical method (really only descriptive data) whereas I am trying to make a push for open access to data and the use of the scientific method for testing. Also - the VRM temps I do not seem to be that serious of an issue. There are thermal pads (1mm) on the VRMs and Memory covered by a black aluminum heat spreader (1mm) see pic below. You could replace the stock thermal pads with something fancier (i.e., Fujipoly Extreme XR @ 17W/mK), but anything around 6W/mK thermal pads would do just fine.
With a custom voltage curve, I can OC to +160Mhz on the clock at 1.00 V stable. I haven't pushed the card since removing the tape but will do more tinkering tonight. Also - the best part of removing the tape isn't the improvement GPU thermals. It is improved thermals inside your case. I noticed that all of my components were noticeably cooler. (Again, you can verify with data I'll upload tonight, so looks like the video will be delayed a bit).
Okay, but you cannot have it both ways. You went from we need verified objective data to 'oh never mind I think the VRMs are good enough'... or some random thermal pad is 'just fine'. Having done extensive testing professionally, that's not a good methodology. l hinted at that when I discussed reasons for redirecting airflow. You're not using the 'scientific method' when you substitute your opinion for data. This is why objective analysis is expensive and time consuming. You've only scratched the surface if you truly believe you're going to provide an objective analysis of the thermal design. If your components are 'noticeably cooler with that small amount of redirected flow, I'd think the evidence would suggest you need a bit better airflow in your case...but that's just an opinion based on the evidence...
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Re: EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Black Tape on rear of cooler?
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HeavyHemi Okay, but you cannot have it both ways. You went from we need verified objective data to 'oh never mind I think the VRMs are good enough'... or some random thermal pad is 'just fine'. Having done extensive testing professionally, that's not a good methodology. l hinted at that when I discussed reasons for redirecting airflow. You're not using the 'scientific method' when you substitute your opinion for data. This is why objective analysis is expensive and time consuming. You've only scratched the surface if you truly believe you're going to provide an objective analysis of the thermal design. If your components are 'noticeably cooler with that small amount of redirected flow, I'd think the evidence would suggest you need a bit better airflow in your case...but that's just an opinion based on the evidence...
Thanks for pointing out the flaw in my logic. A healthy discussion is based on constructive criticism. In future posts, I will attempt to explicitly indicate what information is derived from data, what is an interpretation of data, and what is opinion (albeit informed or uninformed). I by no means have the equipment, facility, or time to perform a proper experiment on thermal design of a graphics card. This is why I included a measure of noise in the data (error) with a 95% confidence interval. Also, kudos for the appropriate use of methodology and methods. Many do not know the distinction and think methodology is just a fancier word when (s)he actually mean methods.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Black Tape on rear of cooler?
2018/04/04 10:45:39
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HeavyHemi Okay, but you cannot have it both ways. You went from we need verified objective data to 'oh never mind I think the VRMs are good enough'... or some random thermal pad is 'just fine'. Having done extensive testing professionally, that's not a good methodology. l hinted at that when I discussed reasons for redirecting airflow. You're not using the 'scientific method' when you substitute your opinion for data. This is why objective analysis is expensive and time consuming. You've only scratched the surface if you truly believe you're going to provide an objective analysis of the thermal design. If your components are 'noticeably cooler with that small amount of redirected flow, I'd think the evidence would suggest you need a bit better airflow in your case...but that's just an opinion based on the evidence...
Thanks for pointing out the flaw in my logic. A healthy discussion is based on constructive criticism. In future posts, I will attempt to explicitly indicate what information is derived from data, what is an interpretation of data, and what is opinion (albeit informed or uninformed). I by no means have the equipment, facility, or time to perform a proper experiment on thermal design of a graphics card. This is why I included a measure of noise in the data (error) with a 95% confidence interval. Also, kudos for the appropriate use of methodology and methods. Many do not know the distinction and think methodology is just a fancier word when (s)he actually mean methods.
I apologize if I came off a bit strident there. But, I make a distinction between casual discussions over design preferences and likes and dislikes and empirical fact based discussions with objective data and defined metrics. Personally I'm much happier with the casual conversations. It's too easy to nitpick results and the endless 'well what about...' and individual results are not a substitute for sampling of course. Just in your example, half of your purported gain would have been just from the change in TIM. If someone had not asked my question, there would have been a misleading impression of a large temperature delta from the change versus the relatively moderate one in addition to not knowing the other effects of the change. Anyhow, not trying to beat a dead horse but to illuminate a distinction between formal, 'scientific method' discussion, and the more typical casual discussions.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Black Tape on rear of cooler?
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Re: EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Black Tape on rear of cooler?
2018/04/04 23:42:04
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adelli As promised... link to data...
Thank you so much. I wonder if one could leave that front cooling plate and use an Arctic cooler...
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Re: EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Black Tape on rear of cooler?
2018/04/05 04:19:35
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Very nice job adelli! Nice methodology btw.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Black Tape on rear of cooler?
2018/04/05 05:48:32
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the tape is to direct airflow to the vrm's, the temp differences you are seeing are from the TIM, since you are only seeing the gpu core temps, a 8~10c drop is not that unusual from using better TIM, and a few degree difference between applications is not unheard of either, it's the margin of error. the only real way to see the effect of that tape is to measure the vrm temps with a thermocouple in a controlled environment, which i'm sure evga did since adding something that actually makes temps worse would not happen.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SC Black Tape on rear of cooler?
2018/04/05 06:18:40
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quadlatte the tape is to direct airflow to the vrm's, the temp differences you are seeing are from the TIM, since you are only seeing the gpu core temps, a 8~10c drop is not that unusual from using better TIM, and a few degree difference between applications is not unheard of either, it's the margin of error. the only real way to see the effect of that tape is to measure the vrm temps with a thermocouple in a controlled environment, which i'm sure evga did since adding something that actually makes temps worse would not happen.
Good point. Margin of error is important to consider to attribute results to each condition. There are two types of error: individual-level and condition-level (also known as intra-cell and inter-cell) with the latter being more useful for distinguishing and attributing effects. With one run, I was only able to obtain individual-level error. What would be needed to appropriately distinguish effects of TIM replacement vs Tape removal and attribute them to thermal results, is condition-level error. This requires a larger sample size (i.e., more runs) to generate enough data to have a reliable error distribution for each condition. Around 25 per cell for a total sample size of 75 runs would be a decent start based on typical experimental designs (as well as previous experience as a scientist). 75 x 30mins = 37.5 hours of testing. This is one of the challenges with practicality vs accuracy that HeavyHemi hinted at earlier. I cannot make an informed opinion on the VRM issue. I agree that it is logical that the tape would be used to direct more airflow over the aluminum plate to assist with VRM and memory temps.
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