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I've seen too many people reporting dead 3080s and 3090s where a daisy chain power cable is in use.

In the interest of data collection post here if you use daisy chains and if you've had to RMA your GPU for any reason.
Or post if you don't use them and had issues, use them and had no issues, etc.
If you've ever had an issue using a daisy chain on any other GPU throw it in here also because why not. The focus is on 3080 and 3090 though.

The idea is to get a decent sample to see if there is a correlation worth looking into deeper. Maybe it is an issue, maybe not. We won't know for sure until we start looking into it though.

I'll start with myself:

3080 FTW3 Ultra, now on Hybrid Kit since Tues(12/29) and GPU itself installed on 11/13/2020.
No daisy chain used, no issues. (I'm using only one plug of a daisy chain for the third connection because the PSU doesn't come with 3 single cables, that's fine though. The 2nd connection not in use doesn't do anything except be annoying for cable management.) I am OC'ed on on the 450W XOC bios now, I stayed on stock bios until I installed the hybrid kit.

Although on my previous 2070 non super I used a daisy chain when I first got it. I had not OC'ed yet either(I did later, I always run at stock for at least a week, sometimes more, to make sure it works properly before I apply any OC). I had issues with instability and crashes until I stopped using a daisy chain. The PSU is the same 1000W EVGA Supernova Gold G3 I'm using now. Also it should be noted the crashes and instability came over time, it was not immediate. And it all stopped immediately when I stopped using a daisy chain.

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    Re: Do you use daisy chain power cables? Did your GPU die or have issues? 2020/12/31 08:15:53 (permalink)
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    Re: Do you use daisy chain power cables? Did your GPU die or have issues? 2020/12/31 08:17:18 (permalink)
    Nope...It's a bad idea, really
     
    I always use two separate cables.
     
     

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    Re: Do you use daisy chain power cables? Did your GPU die or have issues? 2020/12/31 08:24:41 (permalink)
    I've used two separate cables for my RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra. I also recently upgraded my Corsair PSU from 850 watts to 1000 watts. 

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    Re: Do you use daisy chain power cables? Did your GPU die or have issues? 2020/12/31 08:44:18 (permalink)
     
     
    I have 3 separate PCIE cables, full replacements certified for my PSU.  I use a Phantek 1200 Watt Revolt-X PSU.
     
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    Re: Do you use daisy chain power cables? Did your GPU die or have issues? 2020/12/31 09:05:51 (permalink)
    You can daisy chain lower power devices like fans and some hard drives if you're careful. NEVER daisy chain any card requiring an additional power connector beyond the slot it sits in. Basically, if you have even the slightest doubt, don't do it. Wait for the cables or new power supply to come in. It's not worth the damage to your component.
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    Re: Do you use daisy chain power cables? Did your GPU die or have issues? 2020/12/31 09:14:06 (permalink)
    Three separate PCIe power cables - Corsair AXI 1200W using CableMod Pro ModMesh C-Series cables (PSU set to Single Rail OCP)
     
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    Re: Do you use daisy chain power cables? Did your GPU die or have issues? 2020/12/31 09:30:38 (permalink)
    Yet another one of these threads?

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    Re: Do you use daisy chain power cables? Did your GPU die or have issues? 2020/12/31 09:32:17 (permalink)
    2 factory cables, one daisy chained, to my 3080 FTW3 Ultra

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    Re: Do you use daisy chain power cables? Did your GPU die or have issues? 2020/12/31 09:33:37 (permalink)
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    Yet another one of these threads?



     
    Ad nauseum until the end of times.....people don't search (myself included)
     

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    Re: Do you use daisy chain power cables? Did your GPU die or have issues? 2020/12/31 09:36:29 (permalink)
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    Yet another one of these threads?


    Yes, until we have a definitive answer. 

    If using daisy chains is causing issues it would add value to get correct information out there.

    If I'm wrong and proven wrong with facts and evidence I'll stfu.

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    Re: Do you use daisy chain power cables? Did your GPU die or have issues? 2020/12/31 09:47:01 (permalink)
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    Yet another one of these threads?


    Yes, until we have a definitive answer. 

    If using daisy chains is causing issues it would add value to get correct information out there.

    If I'm wrong and proven wrong with facts and evidence I'll stfu.





    It's pretty simple...the cables aren't rated to carry the power the inputs request/are spec'd for.
     
    You daisy chain it and exceed the power the cable is designed to carry, you got problems.
     
    Don't.....Do....It.
     

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    Re: Do you use daisy chain power cables? Did your GPU die or have issues? 2020/12/31 10:33:18 (permalink)
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    Yet another one of these threads?


    Yes, until we have a definitive answer. 

    If using daisy chains is causing issues it would add value to get correct information out there.

    If I'm wrong and proven wrong with facts and evidence I'll stfu.





    It's pretty simple...the cables aren't rated to carry the power the inputs request/are spec'd for.
     
    You daisy chain it and exceed the power the cable is designed to carry, you got problems.
     
    Don't.....Do....It.
     



    Agreed.

    EVGA Jacob is telling people it's safe and it's confusing the issue.

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    Re: Do you use daisy chain power cables? Did your GPU die or have issues? 2020/12/31 11:07:02 (permalink)
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    Yet another one of these threads?


    Yes, until we have a definitive answer. 

    If using daisy chains is causing issues it would add value to get correct information out there.

    If I'm wrong and proven wrong with facts and evidence I'll stfu.





    It's pretty simple...the cables aren't rated to carry the power the inputs request/are spec'd for.
     
    You daisy chain it and exceed the power the cable is designed to carry, you got problems.
     
    Don't.....Do....It.
     



    Agreed.

    EVGA Jacob is telling people it's safe and it's confusing the issue.




    Well most of the issue, well all of the issue really is that NVIDIA came out with that 750W PSU spec.
     
    But the Founders Edition only takes 2X 8 Pin PCIe connections to their 12 Pin adaptor. 
     
    So looks like the rest just followed NVIDIA with the 750W recommendation.
     
    And most of that is related to marketing, selling the cards, would be hard for them to tell people to get a 850W PSU.
     
    750W was already bad enough with all those morons out there from day one telling people 750W was too much. And that was before the cards even released and any actual testing was done. 
     
    Now to the issue:
     
    Almost no 750W PSUs have separate 3x 8 Pin PCIe connections from the PSU. 
     
    So that would mean a real min of 850W PSU for the 3x 8 Pin cards, not 750W PSU.
     
    NOW, will using 2x 8 Pin PCIe cables work for the 3x 8 Pin connections, with one daisy chain?
     
    Yes, it will work, not the best solution by any means however.
     

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    Re: Do you use daisy chain power cables? Did your GPU die or have issues? 2021/01/06 10:05:22 (permalink)
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    Re: Do you use daisy chain power cables? Did your GPU die or have issues? 2021/01/06 10:18:39 (permalink)
    Can we please get these threads merged?  He has 3 of these identical threads going.  It is insane.
     
    Merge or lock the duplicates, please.  Thanks!
     
    https://forums.evga.com/GPU-Power-One-cable-One-connection-no-splitter-cables-m3164416.aspx
    https://forums.evga.com/PSA-Do-NOT-use-Daisy-Chains-for-3000-series-m3189271.aspx
    https://forums.evga.com/Do-you-use-daisy-chain-power-cables-Did-your-GPU-die-or-have-issues-m3191671.aspx
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    Re: Do you use daisy chain power cables? Did your GPU die or have issues? 2021/01/06 11:08:09 (permalink)
    The poll I did, while not definitive, shows more cards that were wired with dedicated cables to each block died vs those daisy chained.
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    Re: Do you use daisy chain power cables? Did your GPU die or have issues? 2021/01/06 11:40:40 (permalink)
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    The poll I did, while not definitive, shows more cards that were wired with dedicated cables to each block died vs those daisy chained.


    You think people are gonna admit that they daisy changed a GPU? 
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    Re: Do you use daisy chain power cables? Did your GPU die or have issues? 2021/01/06 12:04:40 (permalink)
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    The poll I did, while not definitive, shows more cards that were wired with dedicated cables to each block died vs those daisy chained.


    You think people are gonna admit that they daisy changed a GPU? 


    Yes there are people in the poll that stated they daisy chained. Its anonymous so its not like EVGA is going to look at their username and say they voided their warranty.... using the split cable we provided you with our EVGA power supply ;)   And I will admit it. My 2080TI has been since release.
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    Re: Do you use daisy chain power cables? Did your GPU die or have issues? 2021/01/06 12:23:43 (permalink)
    I never will do it with my eVga 3090 FTW3 Ultra and never did it with my eVga 2080Ti FTW3 Ultra either. Just way too risky.
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    Re: Do you use daisy chain power cables? Did your GPU die or have issues? 2021/01/06 13:10:25 (permalink)
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    The poll I did, while not definitive, shows more cards that were wired with dedicated cables to each block died vs those daisy chained.


    You think people are gonna admit that they daisy changed a GPU? 



    Why not?
    Most people that use them refuse to accept any possibility they could be bad idea so I doubt they will find anything negative about posting here. If anything people will want to prove me wrong by showing me their daisy chain works.

    It doesn't void the warranty so there is nothing for anyone to worry about that way.

    If anything we might have reported user bias in that people that do have issues will not want to post to avoid an "I told you so."

    I'm not judging anyone for what they post here. This is purely information gathering.

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    Re: Do you use daisy chain power cables? Did your GPU die or have issues? 2021/01/06 13:13:42 (permalink)
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    Can we please get these threads merged?  He has 3 of these identical threads going.  It is insane.
     
    Merge or lock the duplicates, please.  Thanks!
     
    https://forums.evga.com/GPU-Power-One-cable-One-connection-no-splitter-cables-m3164416.aspx
    https://forums.evga.com/PSA-Do-NOT-use-Daisy-Chains-for-3000-series-m3189271.aspx
    https://forums.evga.com/Do-you-use-daisy-chain-power-cables-Did-your-GPU-die-or-have-issues-m3191671.aspx



    Then merge the other dude with 3 post that actually are on the same topic.

    They buried the first one in Hardware on me(probably because of you reporting it.) Which prompted a replacement. If the original thread had not been moved for no good reason the 2nd one would have never been made.

    This thread is not a duplicate and serves a different purpose. 

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    Re: Do you use daisy chain power cables? Did your GPU die or have issues? 2021/01/06 13:18:07 (permalink)
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    (probably because of you reporting it.)

    Because of me reporting it? What? That's a baseless accusation.
     
    Anyway, this other thread has a lot more interesting discussion going on, so please let one of them die.  Choose one or the other.

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    Re: Do you use daisy chain power cables? Did your GPU die or have issues? 2021/01/06 14:44:48 (permalink)
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    (probably because of you reporting it.)

    Because of me reporting it? What? That's a baseless accusation.
     
    Anyway, this other thread has a lot more interesting discussion going on, so please let one of them die.  Choose one or the other.



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    Re: Do you use daisy chain power cables? Did your GPU die or have issues? 2021/01/06 18:58:00 (permalink)
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    Yet another one of these threads?





    Agreed.

    EVGA Jacob is telling people it's safe and it's confusing the issue.




    This is why. and I will be honest, when I was building mine and looked at the daisy chain cables evga puts in the box.  ANywho, I switched mine out yesterday but i've been running a 3090 for over a month with no issues.
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    Re: Do you use daisy chain power cables? Did your GPU die or have issues? 2021/02/13 11:28:32 (permalink)
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    EVGA Jacob is telling people it's safe and it's confusing the issue

     
    this is also the part that is confusing to me...EVGATech_PeterN is telling people to not daisy chain and use 3 separate cables while EVGA_JacobF is saying it's OK (in the case of a 3 8-pin connection) to daisy chain 1 and use 1 other separate cable
     
    is there a definitive answer to this...I recently bought an EVGA 3080 FTW3 Ultra...I also have a Corsair RM850x PSU (comes with 4 daisy chained PCIe 8-pin connectors)
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    Re: Do you use daisy chain power cables? Did your GPU die or have issues? 2021/02/13 12:46:27 (permalink)
    If the cable cannot carry the power it would not damage the card in any way other than physical due to cables overheating.
    Once the physical limit of the cables current capacity is reached it would burn out like a very slow fuse, on a modular psu that burn out damage is just as likely at the psu connector as it is at the gpu connector.
     
    Insufficient power would likely mean unstable system and complete system crashes (the gpu isn't the only draw on the 12v line)
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    Re: Do you use daisy chain power cables? Did your GPU die or have issues? 2021/02/13 14:27:33 (permalink)
    I dont think ANYONE is daisy chaining power cables. I've had 2 dead 3090's and they both had separate power cables directly from the PSU. This thread is dumb.

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    Re: Do you use daisy chain power cables? Did your GPU die or have issues? 2021/02/13 17:48:10 (permalink)
    I did on my 3080 FTW3 Ultra out of necessity until I got a new power supply, it worked with 1 &3 chained, I think it would be fine if you are not running the most taxing games like MSFS2020  or when running and Undervolt profile to be safe;
    Ampere architecture is amazing, I have an 850 MV profile that can Port Royal 11442 and only draw 267 Watts
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    Re: Do you use daisy chain power cables? Did your GPU die or have issues? 2021/02/13 19:29:26 (permalink)
    There are at least two threads where it is stated by an EVGA Tech that it is acceptable to daisy chain if the cable was included by the manufacturer of the PSU. This has been beaten into the ground and sprouted back up so many times and not one incident of it being a problem has been presented.
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