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2018/03/06 13:54:25 (permalink)
Hi folks. I bought a 1070 SC a few months ago. Everything was going great until one day my PC random reboots while gaming.. Didnt think much of it but then it started to do it while idling as well. Blue screen ETC.
I thought my PSU was failing so I swapped it and the problem was still there. I was double checking connectors and I had to take a second look at the card but it was completely convex and not touching the heatsink, it looked completely warped dont know how I missed that first but I digress..
 
I called EVGA RMA and the gentleman I spoke to on the phone said to take pictures before he issued the RMA and he told me explicitly that NO physical damage would be accepted, he told me to send a few pictures and that he would call me back.. He looked at my photos and approved to start the RMA he told me when he called me back (I was impressed only about 10 minutes). GREAT!!
 
So I provide collateral and choose to cross ship.
 
EVGA received the card yesterday or whatever, this morning I get an email stating "PHYSICAL DAMAGE NOT COVERED''
 
I tried to explain that I sent photos in BEFORE the RMA process started and you can CLEARLY TELL THE HEATSINK IS CONVEX/CONCAVE!!! This is before I shipped it...... They said overheating would not cause the damage present and that they would not be able to help me.
 
How on EARTH can you explain this then? It was clear I have not taken the card apart, it was clear that I didnt connect it improperly... So how in the heck can I be dinged for $650 over 'physical damage' if I DIDNT DO ANYTHING TO THE CARD! 
 
Pictures added. 


Can someone please let me know whats going on ?
 

 

post edited by Sajin - 2018/03/06 14:03:10
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    Sajin
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    Re: Denied warranty 'PCB DAMAGE' - No damage whatsoever... 2018/03/06 14:03:40 (permalink)
    Fixed your pics. One was showing your serial number.
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    Re: Denied warranty 'PCB DAMAGE' - No damage whatsoever... 2018/03/06 14:03:54 (permalink)
    The PCB is flexed, that is physical damage that is not covered.

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    Re: Denied warranty 'PCB DAMAGE' - No damage whatsoever... 2018/03/06 14:12:53 (permalink)
    really? how? isnt that a defective card?? if it stopped working and ended up like that with no user input how can I be held accountable?
    what if the fans stopped spinning because of a defect on the card and it warped??
    how can the end consumer be held accountable?
    thanks for editing my serial #.
     
    EDIT: Keep in mind, these were the cards that had the VRM issue awhile ago, if I recall correctly the exact model # of my card matches the batch(es) they had issues with.
     
    This honestly is mind boggling I just dont understand. For $700 CAD your card shouldnt do this IMHO and if it does it should be covered. I did NOTHING to it. No stress test no NOTHING.
     
     
     
    post edited by canadian420 - 2018/03/06 14:17:34
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    Re: Denied warranty 'PCB DAMAGE' - No damage whatsoever... 2018/03/06 14:17:25 (permalink)
    I am very sorry to hear that the card was damaged and the RMA denied. Unfortunately that damage cannot be repaired and we would not be able to exchange the product. That card, as with all GPUs, should be completely flat. Some minor flex can occur when installed in a case for extended periods of time, but not to that extent. We apologize again that we were not able to replace that card.

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    Re: Denied warranty 'PCB DAMAGE' - No damage whatsoever... 2018/03/06 14:19:32 (permalink)
    I understand completely, IF I had done something incorrect, which, I have not. So no, thats not acceptable to me whatsoever as a consumer. It was not installed incorrectly or abused.
    EDIT: Also, why wasnt I informed of this when I send the high resolution photos to your agent while I was on the phone?
     
     
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    Re: Denied warranty 'PCB DAMAGE' - No damage whatsoever... 2018/03/06 15:07:31 (permalink)
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    I understand completely, IF I had done something incorrect, which, I have not. So no, thats not acceptable to me whatsoever as a consumer. It was not installed incorrectly or abused.
    EDIT: Also, why wasnt I informed of this when I send the high resolution photos to your agent while I was on the phone?
     
     




     
    It could of came like that from the factory for all you know, lots of people just install the video card without giving it a once over. Look at this customer brand new 1080 ftw2  https://imgur.com/a/LMKNW
     
    How long have you had the card, did you buy it using a credit card with buyers protection plan on it? How much shipping insurance did you get on the product before sending it in for warranty service.
     
     


     
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    Re: Denied warranty 'PCB DAMAGE' - No damage whatsoever... 2018/03/06 15:31:24 (permalink)
    May I ask for some clarification? Well, I am going to ask, you stated the card was never taken apart.

    In the picture you loaded that I am attached below, the EVGA tamper sticker to show the card has not been taken apart is clearly been broken. It doesn’t look like the center is pressed in, which I thought had been initially. How did the tamper sticker get broken on the one side but not the other?



    Here is the part of the the card I am talking about.

    post edited by the_Scarlet_one - 2018/03/06 15:39:14
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    Re: Denied warranty 'PCB DAMAGE' - No damage whatsoever... 2018/03/06 15:40:45 (permalink)
    Yeah, it broke like 3 months in. The replacement I received from EVGA (cross-ship) the sticker was broken as well. EDIT: And looked EXACTLY like that photo. I was displeased that the replacement card didnt have a fresh sticker on the screw... It did have a fresh SN# sticker though. 
     
    Another complaint for another day.
     
     
    post edited by canadian420 - 2018/03/06 15:42:19
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    Re: Denied warranty 'PCB DAMAGE' - No damage whatsoever... 2018/03/06 15:43:36 (permalink)
    Ok. That’s strange that it broke. Initially I thought it had been taken apart but after fighting with my phone and getting a better look, it definitely has not
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    Re: Denied warranty 'PCB DAMAGE' - No damage whatsoever... 2018/03/06 16:16:40 (permalink)
    Yeah thnx for the second reply Scarlet.
     
    No I havent taken the card apart whatsoever. It was mounted vertically and left there.
     
     
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    Re: Denied warranty 'PCB DAMAGE' - No damage whatsoever... 2018/03/07 13:55:30 (permalink)
    Well asking EVGA to take back the new card and go through other avenues. We shall see. Sad sad state evga. Good luck to everyone else.
     
    P.S. I really didnt damage the card whatsoever, it did it on its own. 100%. No major ambient temp changes, no abuse, card was leaking pad fluid since week 1, stickers broke off by month 2-3, worked fine otherwise until blue screen TDR errors started happening and boom. Bent card.
     
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    Re: Denied warranty 'PCB DAMAGE' - No damage whatsoever... 2018/03/09 16:21:51 (permalink)
    EVGA has not responded to my request to send back the replacement card.
     
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    Re: Denied warranty 'PCB DAMAGE' - No damage whatsoever... 2018/03/09 16:33:08 (permalink)
    Im dealing with the a denied RMA because of "physical damage as well".
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    Re: Denied warranty 'PCB DAMAGE' - No damage whatsoever... 2018/03/09 18:34:20 (permalink)
    yeah. does not surprise me. ive been looking around on various forums and this seems to be a new 'issue' with EVGA.
     
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    Re: Denied warranty 'PCB DAMAGE' - No damage whatsoever... 2018/03/10 05:31:50 (permalink)
    What is the liquid residue on the PCB?
    Did you buy the card new or used?
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    Re: Denied warranty 'PCB DAMAGE' - No damage whatsoever... 2018/03/10 06:11:50 (permalink)
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    What is the liquid residue on the PCB?
    Did you buy the card new or used?




    The oily residue is from the thermal pads, it's common for them to leak like that. 


     
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    Re: Denied warranty 'PCB DAMAGE' - No damage whatsoever... 2018/03/10 07:25:39 (permalink)
    ^ what he/she said.
     
    The tech while I was on the phone with him told me the same thing.
     
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    Re: Denied warranty 'PCB DAMAGE' - No damage whatsoever... 2018/03/14 13:49:03 (permalink)
    its now been over a week and they still have not sent my original card back..
     
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    Re: Denied warranty 'PCB DAMAGE' - No damage whatsoever... 2018/03/14 14:06:41 (permalink)
    Look at this card, it's not as bad as yours, but you can see the PCB is flexed some (from the factory).
     

     


     
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    Re: Denied warranty 'PCB DAMAGE' - No damage whatsoever... 2018/03/14 14:40:29 (permalink)
    EDIT: Clearly I need eyewear LMAO
     
    The fan header is right where the VRM's are correct? Same as my card right? Almost the exact same angle too; mine is just worse. Seems the substrate/board they used is pretty damn thin..... Possibly a batch defect from a supplier maybe?
     
     
    post edited by canadian420 - 2018/03/14 14:57:42
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    Re: Denied warranty 'PCB DAMAGE' - No damage whatsoever... 2018/03/14 14:46:33 (permalink)
    Some Members may need some Eyewear

    And Comparing the Top of a Card to the Bottom of a Card is almost like Comparing Apples and Bananas.
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    Re: Denied warranty 'PCB DAMAGE' - No damage whatsoever... 2018/03/14 14:47:57 (permalink)
    lol
     
    regardless
     
    that brand new card should not have that .
     
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    Re: Denied warranty 'PCB DAMAGE' - No damage whatsoever... 2018/03/14 17:24:09 (permalink)
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    Some Members may need some Eyewear

    And Comparing the Top of a Card to the Bottom of a Card is almost like Comparing Apples and Bananas.




    It's not comparing apples to bananas and you know it. If the card not assembled right at the factory, it possible for it to end up like the OP card. A different customer purchased a B-stock GTX 1070 that doesn't seem be put back together right by EVGA.  
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7qUZ1epvJc
     
    Accidents can happen on the assembly floor, in the warehouse or in route to retailer/customer. Not everyone gives a product a once over before using/installing it. That's more likely to happen over someone spending $400+ on a CPU and trying to break the card in half.
     
     
    The OP should contact his credit card company, if he bought the card with a credit card. You gave the mfg a chance to do the right thing, now it's time to get a full refund.
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    Re: Denied warranty 'PCB DAMAGE' - No damage whatsoever... 2018/03/14 17:38:57 (permalink)
    I have only One Question for Forum Members.
    Would you have installed a Graphics Card in this condition? Yes or No

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    Re: Denied warranty 'PCB DAMAGE' - No damage whatsoever... 2018/03/14 17:58:32 (permalink)
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    I have only One Question for Forum Members.
    Would you have installed a Graphics Card in this condition? Yes or No




    Like i said not everyone gives a product a once over before using/installing it. You won't even admit that if a product is not assembled correctly at the factory, it could lead to it being damaged, before it even gets to a customer. 
     
    Which is more likely:
    1) person spend $400+ on a gpu only to damage it
    2) product was poorly assembled or damaged before it reached the customer
     
     


     
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    Re: Denied warranty 'PCB DAMAGE' - No damage whatsoever... 2018/03/14 18:29:58 (permalink)
    Yes or No?
    Also what is up with the OP taking the Photos on an AMD Graphics Card Box?
    Their is No Prof of your #2 Above you are only thinking this.
    This card is also is $540 not $400, their is more to this then what is being Posted here as well.
    Also the OP is saying "I be dinged for $650" for a $540 Card?
     
    Also my Reference with comparing "apples to bananas" was to comparing the Top of a Graphics Card to the Bottom of the Graphics Card.
    Not the Two Cards.
     
    "Not everyone gives a product a once over before using/installing it." You got to be kidding.....
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    Re: Denied warranty 'PCB DAMAGE' - No damage whatsoever... 2018/03/14 21:12:45 (permalink)
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    Yes or No?
    Also what is up with the OP taking the Photos on an AMD Graphics Card Box?
    Their is No Prof of your #2 Above you are only thinking this.
    This card is also is $540 not $400, their is more to this then what is being Posted here as well.
    Also the OP is saying "I be dinged for $650" for a $540 Card?
     
    Also my Reference with comparing "apples to bananas" was to comparing the Top of a Graphics Card to the Bottom of the Graphics Card.
    Not the Two Cards.
     
    "Not everyone gives a product a once over before using/installing it." You got to be kidding.....


     
    Why does it matter if the picture was taken on top of a AMD graphics card box. Are people not allowed to own GPU's from different companies. 
     
    You do know what a + sign means right. 400+ means above $400. Last time i was shopping for a GPU, GTX 1070's were in the $400 price range.
     
    You can't honestly believe that nothing can happen during assembly or once a product leaves the factory. Cargo or semi trucks transporting the products, they never have issue with loads shifting on them or boxes containing the products falling over. They are never involved in any accidents in route to warehouses.
     
    It is true that not everyone gives a product a once over before using it. People just assume everything is fine. Lots of people don't even read a product instruction manual before hand. I bet tech support has dealt with people who can't install a new graphics card because they failed to remove the PCI-E rubber/plastic cover.
     
    I don't even know how someone could cause that damage if the card was assembled right.
     


     
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    Re: Denied warranty 'PCB DAMAGE' - No damage whatsoever... 2018/03/14 22:58:58 (permalink)
     
    Being on top of that other brands box has raised my suspicions now.

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    Re: Denied warranty 'PCB DAMAGE' - No damage whatsoever... 2018/03/15 00:11:39 (permalink)
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    Being on top of that other brands box has raised my suspicions now.




     Is that a DIFFERENT brand keyboard and mouse pad in the image too. Razer keyboard and HyperX mouse pad. what does that mean now.
     
    Do you think it's staged, that the OP did this all to promote AMD graphics cards on evga forums? Other than that how on earth do you guys think it's suspicious to have a competitors box laying around.
     
     
     
     
     


     
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