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Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck.
2021/07/29 10:43:52
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https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/64308165?
This is my 3080ti hydro copper xc3. Thats completely stock GPU. I didn't check with gpu-z on power draw. If its requested I can download it.
It would be interesting to know what your card’s power draw is at stock. Have you bothered overclocking it any, or at least moving the power limit slider to max?
Updated previous post for your requested info.
Thanks for the update. Have you reran a benchmark since upping your power limit? I’m curious what your average clock is now.
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Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck.
2021/07/29 10:51:38
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Okay, this might sound stupid... But when you guys run the benchmarks, you're making sure NVIDIA overlay and DVR is disabled right? That will reduce scores by like 10%.
If you want to check, the setting is in Geforce Experience.
Just checking and making sure. I know I have ran benchmarks before and forgot to turn it off.
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Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck.
2021/07/29 11:01:36
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Thanks for the update. Have you reran a benchmark since upping your power limit? I’m curious what your average clock is now.
King, my benchmark is run stock everything. I don't have nvidia experience installed, and if nvidia defaults the overlay on after updating drivers, thats what the results are.
I ran the 3dmark benchmark for both gpuz powerdraw tests, and didn't touch anything else. My GPU score actually went down by 500 points with the 104% power limit. I don't know 3dmark all that much and that might be normal fluctuations.
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Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck.
2021/07/29 11:08:13
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Okay, this might sound stupid... But when you guys run the benchmarks, you're making sure NVIDIA overlay and DVR is disabled right? That will reduce scores by like 10%.
If you want to check, the setting is in Geforce Experience.
Just checking and making sure. I know I have ran benchmarks before and forgot to turn it off.
I do not install GE, ever.
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Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck.
2021/07/29 11:32:51
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Okay, this might sound stupid... But when you guys run the benchmarks, you're making sure NVIDIA overlay and DVR is disabled right? That will reduce scores by like 10%.
If you want to check, the setting is in Geforce Experience.
Just checking and making sure. I know I have ran benchmarks before and forgot to turn it off.
People actually use GeForce Experience?
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Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck.
2021/07/29 11:42:22
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FYI, I'm testing out a BETA BIOS from EVGA right now.
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Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck.
2021/07/29 11:50:40
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FYI, I'm testing out a BETA BIOS from EVGA right now.
Oh cool to hear that, hopefully it helps!
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Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck.
2021/07/29 11:56:06
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FYI, I'm testing out a BETA BIOS from EVGA right now.
Wow, I hope they actually addressed the problem.
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Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck.
2021/07/29 12:06:17
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Okay, this might sound stupid... But when you guys run the benchmarks, you're making sure NVIDIA overlay and DVR is disabled right? That will reduce scores by like 10%.
If you want to check, the setting is in Geforce Experience.
Just checking and making sure. I know I have ran benchmarks before and forgot to turn it off.
People actually use GeForce Experience?
I do, it actually works pretty well in Warzone. My friends and I like to collect our highlights and combine them together sometimes. But I disable it the majority of the time. talon951
gsrcrxsi
FYI, I'm testing out a BETA BIOS from EVGA right now.
Wow, I hope they actually addressed the problem.
Should we also figure out why we're not getting higher average TDP on our FTW3s?
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Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck.
2021/07/29 12:10:09
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FYI, I'm testing out a BETA BIOS from EVGA right now.
Wow, I hope they actually addressed the problem.
long answer short, not really. marginally better performance maybe in some benchmarks, but still reducing performance as mem load increases. I'll follow up with results, compares, data, etc.
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Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck.
2021/07/29 12:16:26
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This is what I don't get. You now have 2 threads basicly ****posting the hydrocopper 3080 ti "cheap model" and ZERO acknowledgement from EVGA. All EVGA would have to say is we understand there are a few concerns with the power draw on these cards. We would like more information from users so we can determine if this is an isolated incident or if we need to delve deeper into the issue with bios or firmware modifications. We appreciate your feedback and will get back to you shortly.
You keep the forum involved and state you're looking into things.
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Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck.
2021/07/29 12:20:37
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This is what I don't get. You now have 2 threads basicly ****posting the hydrocopper 3080 ti "cheap model" and ZERO acknowledgement from EVGA. All EVGA would have to say is we understand there are a few concerns with the power draw on these cards. We would like more information from users so we can determine if this is an isolated incident or if we need to delve deeper into the issue with bios or firmware modifications. We appreciate your feedback and will get back to you shortly.
You keep the forum involved and state you're looking into things.
If you don't get it then why are you here? EVGA is working with gsrcrxsi and supplied him with a beta bios to try and elevate the issue. That is significant progress.
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Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck.
2021/07/29 12:22:24
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This is what I don't get. You now have 2 threads basicly ****posting the hydrocopper 3080 ti "cheap model" and ZERO acknowledgement from EVGA. All EVGA would have to say is we understand there are a few concerns with the power draw on these cards. We would like more information from users so we can determine if this is an isolated incident or if we need to delve deeper into the issue with bios or firmware modifications. We appreciate your feedback and will get back to you shortly.
You keep the forum involved and state you're looking into things.
That would be nice, all I would like is one of the following: 1. Yes, this is expected from the cards to protect XYZ on them. 2. No, the cards aren't supposed to behave like that and we will look into it. Just one of either option would be perfect for me.
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Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck.
2021/07/29 12:42:38
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https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/64308165?
This is my 3080ti hydro copper xc3. Thats completely stock GPU. What follows is pertinant info on gpu-z on power draw.
Power limit 100%
Board power draw was 332.6W
GPU chip power draw was 195.6W
pcie slot power was 68.3W and slot voltage was 12.3V
8 pin 1 was 124.6W slot voltage 12.3V
8 pin 2 was 143W slot voltage 12.4V
GPU clock max was 1920Mhz
Mem clock was 1187.7Mhz
Power limit at 104%
Board power draw 339.7
GPU chip power draw 197.8
pcie slot power 69W slot stayed the same
8pin 1 127.8W slot voltage same
8pin 2 144.8W slot voltage same
Gpu and mem clock the same.
This should come as no surprise but this is under water 104% power draw: max temp GPU temp 45.5C/113.9F, Hot spot was 35.1C/95.18F, and mem temp was 56C/132.8FC
You got a stinker of a card too. Worse then mine, if that's believable. https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/21817621/spy/21648549
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Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck.
2021/07/29 12:44:12
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I don't have time to form a long post, but here is a collection of the data for those interested in looking through it. here is a collection of logs and data from various tests. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SlMgjxwqn0fsVFVJdDjuYHzoPbNvAyQP/view?usp=sharing yes, I maxed out the power slider to 105% in PX1. included info is: - screen shot running FurMark @1440p 0xMSAA (because it has very high mem controller load ~60%) only pulling ~300W, which is about what I experienced before
- screen shot running MSI Kombustor @1440p showing ~330W power draw
- text file with URLs to Time Spy and Port Royal run compares ([original BIOS]/[new BIOS +125/+0]/[new BIOS +125/+1000]). the point of showing two runs with different memclock offsets is to show the negative effect on core clock speed, just from increasing mem clock, all while still below power limits.
- GPUz log reports for each new BIOS run on timespy and port royal. so you can see power draw second by second and compare to other parameters at the same time (GPUz screenshots are pointless most of the time since you cant easily see what's happening and low graph resolution)
- text log file of GPU parameters (1 second telemetry) from nvidia-smi while running my Einstein@home application under Linux (Ubuntu 20.04.2, 470 nvidia drivers). this application exhibits the worst behavior. highest memory load ~85%, lowest core clocks, and lowest observed power draw.
The included BIOS file is NOT the beta BIOS, it's just the backup that I dumped from GPUz prior to flashing just as a precaution. So don't bother flashing it. compare links: https://www.3dmark.com/compare/pr/1128278/pr/1148554/pr/1148574https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/21525507/spy/21819697/spy/21819943
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Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck.
2021/07/29 12:49:11
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spiffy_1
This is what I don't get. You now have 2 threads basicly ****posting the hydrocopper 3080 ti "cheap model" and ZERO acknowledgement from EVGA. All EVGA would have to say is we understand there are a few concerns with the power draw on these cards. We would like more information from users so we can determine if this is an isolated incident or if we need to delve deeper into the issue with bios or firmware modifications. We appreciate your feedback and will get back to you shortly.
You keep the forum involved and state you're looking into things.
If you don't get it then why are you here? EVGA is working with gsrcrxsi and supplied him with a beta bios to try and elevate the issue. That is significant progress.
Perhaps you misunderstood what I said. There has been ZERO acknowledgement. The longer you let a situation continue with no representation from the company, the worse things get. Am I happy we have a beta bios and they're supposedly looking into things? Absolutely. This has been going on for a while now though and I don't even care about a beta bios honestly. Just Company PR should be letting us know in the pertinent thread that its being investigated. Bad news spreads faster than good news. Noone is going to come back and say my card is amazing because they're too busy enjoying it. A badly performing card is going to draw the ire of the members in the social media brigade.
post edited by spiffy_1 - 2021/07/29 12:52:17
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Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck.
2021/07/29 12:52:30
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This is what I don't get. You now have 2 threads basicly ****posting the hydrocopper 3080 ti "cheap model" and ZERO acknowledgement from EVGA. All EVGA would have to say is we understand there are a few concerns with the power draw on these cards. We would like more information from users so we can determine if this is an isolated incident or if we need to delve deeper into the issue with bios or firmware modifications. We appreciate your feedback and will get back to you shortly.
You keep the forum involved and state you're looking into things.
If EVGA is not answering, then the best way to figure this out is by XC3s' owners reporting their benchmarks in an organized thread. I think someone should make a list in the original thread of those who are actually having this problem (gsrcrxsi, kram... and who else?) and who are those who received a working card. By knowing this, we will know if the problem is just with a few cards or the majority of them. Owners should create a post with organized information; for example: GPU (XC3 Model): Air? HC? Processor: Ryzen 3000x? 5000x? 3DMark Score: Stock or Overclocked: MB/BIOS Version: Power draw information:
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Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck.
2021/07/29 12:53:02
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spiffy_1
This is what I don't get. You now have 2 threads basicly ****posting the hydrocopper 3080 ti "cheap model" and ZERO acknowledgement from EVGA. All EVGA would have to say is we understand there are a few concerns with the power draw on these cards. We would like more information from users so we can determine if this is an isolated incident or if we need to delve deeper into the issue with bios or firmware modifications. We appreciate your feedback and will get back to you shortly.
You keep the forum involved and state you're looking into things.
If you don't get it then why are you here? EVGA is working with gsrcrxsi and supplied him with a beta bios to try and elevate the issue. That is significant progress.
And that's BS too, I should have a beta bios to try out also.
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Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck.
2021/07/29 13:01:16
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spiffy_1
This is what I don't get. You now have 2 threads basicly ****posting the hydrocopper 3080 ti "cheap model" and ZERO acknowledgement from EVGA. All EVGA would have to say is we understand there are a few concerns with the power draw on these cards. We would like more information from users so we can determine if this is an isolated incident or if we need to delve deeper into the issue with bios or firmware modifications. We appreciate your feedback and will get back to you shortly.
You keep the forum involved and state you're looking into things.
If you don't get it then why are you here? EVGA is working with gsrcrxsi and supplied him with a beta bios to try and elevate the issue. That is significant progress.
And that's BS too, I should have a beta bios to try out also.
trust me, as of now, you're not missing out on anything.
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Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck.
2021/07/29 13:03:58
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spiffy_1
This is what I don't get. You now have 2 threads basicly ****posting the hydrocopper 3080 ti "cheap model" and ZERO acknowledgement from EVGA. All EVGA would have to say is we understand there are a few concerns with the power draw on these cards. We would like more information from users so we can determine if this is an isolated incident or if we need to delve deeper into the issue with bios or firmware modifications. We appreciate your feedback and will get back to you shortly.
You keep the forum involved and state you're looking into things.
If you don't get it then why are you here? EVGA is working with gsrcrxsi and supplied him with a beta bios to try and elevate the issue. That is significant progress.
And that's BS too, I should have a beta bios to try out also.
trust me, as of now, you're not missing out on anything.
2 people reporting back are better than one.
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Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck.
2021/07/29 13:23:16
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spiffy_1
This is what I don't get. You now have 2 threads basicly ****posting the hydrocopper 3080 ti "cheap model" and ZERO acknowledgement from EVGA. All EVGA would have to say is we understand there are a few concerns with the power draw on these cards. We would like more information from users so we can determine if this is an isolated incident or if we need to delve deeper into the issue with bios or firmware modifications. We appreciate your feedback and will get back to you shortly.
You keep the forum involved and state you're looking into things.
If you don't get it then why are you here? EVGA is working with gsrcrxsi and supplied him with a beta bios to try and elevate the issue. That is significant progress.
And that's BS too, I should have a beta bios to try out also.
trust me, as of now, you're not missing out on anything.
2 people reporting back are better than one.
At least they are working on it if there is a beta bios going around. The only question i have is are there different type of bios in the 3080ti?
post edited by atfrico - 2021/07/29 13:24:37
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Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck.
2021/07/29 13:25:47
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spiffy_1
This is what I don't get. You now have 2 threads basicly ****posting the hydrocopper 3080 ti "cheap model" and ZERO acknowledgement from EVGA. All EVGA would have to say is we understand there are a few concerns with the power draw on these cards. We would like more information from users so we can determine if this is an isolated incident or if we need to delve deeper into the issue with bios or firmware modifications. We appreciate your feedback and will get back to you shortly.
You keep the forum involved and state you're looking into things.
If you don't get it then why are you here? EVGA is working with gsrcrxsi and supplied him with a beta bios to try and elevate the issue. That is significant progress.
And that's BS too, I should have a beta bios to try out also.
trust me, as of now, you're not missing out on anything.
2 people reporting back are better than one.
At least they are working on it if there is a beta bios going around.
The only question i have is are there different type of bios in the 3080ti?
gsrcrxsi card works better than mine. I should have this beta bios too. I called EVGA since EVGATechLeeM is too scared to respond to my pm's to get the beta bios. To your second question, yes the bios is different for each model, well at least on the fan control in PX1. Air cooled cards have three fans to adjust, Hybrid has 2 fans to adjust and the Hydro Copper has zero fans to adjust.
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Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck.
2021/07/29 13:33:23
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At least they are working on it if there is a beta bios going around.
gsrcrxsi card works better than mine. I should have this beta bios too. I called EVGA since EVGATechLeeM is too scared to respond to my pm's to get the beta bios.
I completely agree Kram. The Techs can easily pm you the bios to try it, but this is how you get to see the true colors of things.
post edited by atfrico - 2021/07/29 13:36:14
T hose who abuse power, are nothing but scumbags! The challenge of power is how to use it and not abuse it. The abuse of power that seems to create the most unhappiness is when a person uses personal power to get ahead without regards to the welfare of others, people are obsessed with it. You can take a nice person and turn them into a slob, into an insane being, craving power, destroying anything that stands in their way. Affiliate Code: 3T15O1S07G
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Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck.
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