kram36

AHowes

kram36

AHowes
Buy a GPU from newegg?? And other then evga? No thanks.. no returns at newegg and one would be crazy to possibly deal with another company if it comes time to rma.

Then the higher prices at EVGA's store are justified for you.

Last 10 series card I purchased was the EVGA GTX 1060 06G-P4-6768-KR I purchased at Newegg for $289.99

I buy from microcenter whenever possible as it's way too easy to return or exchange anything there!

There's 6 evga ftw3 non hybrids there atm for $1079.99.

Though the last card "evga ftw3 hybrid" I bought at evga for $860 plus shipping maybe 2 months ago.

I believe evga will charge 25% for returns.

Not everyone has a Micro Center next to them.
 

HeavyHemi
You want me to explain your argument then claim I am the one making a 'strawman argument'? Evga is dependent on Nvidia, a fact. volume gets EVGA parts cheaper, another fact. What was the strawman?  Your opinion of what is going on behind the scenes with Nvidia and EVGA is just that. EVGA has always had a price premium over Gigabyte. Isn't that a strawman that has nothing to do with EVGA, anyway? And if you don't mind, I'll move on when I feel like it and make whatever arguments I like. I expect you'd  demand the same courtesy, right.

Nope, don't need you to explain anything I have posted. This is the 2nd time you have taken this thread off topic with your arguing with straw man arguments. If you're fine with the prices EVGA has in their store, state it and move on, it's that easy.

Then why did you ask me to explain? This is the second time you have used the term 'strawman' incorrectly.  If you're unable defend your arguments, fine. Do not misrepresent mine. Just admit you can't and move on. It's that easy. If I knew this was going to be solely a  'Kram's thread to complain about EVGA's pricing and anyone who disagrees can shut up and go away while I cry', instead of the DISCUSSION thread you claimed somebody else asked you to make, I never would have replied. My bad. Hows that for a "strawman". I'll leave you to your angst.

kram36

HeavyHemi

kram36

AHowes

kram36

AHowes
Buy a GPU from newegg?? And other then evga? No thanks.. no returns at newegg and one would be crazy to possibly deal with another company if it comes time to rma.

Then the higher prices at EVGA's store are justified for you.

Last 10 series card I purchased was the EVGA GTX 1060 06G-P4-6768-KR I purchased at Newegg for $289.99

I buy from microcenter whenever possible as it's way too easy to return or exchange anything there!

There's 6 evga ftw3 non hybrids there atm for $1079.99.

Though the last card "evga ftw3 hybrid" I bought at evga for $860 plus shipping maybe 2 months ago.

I believe evga will charge 25% for returns.

Not everyone has a Micro Center next to them.
 

HeavyHemi
You want me to explain your argument then claim I am the one making a 'strawman argument'? Evga is dependent on Nvidia, a fact. volume gets EVGA parts cheaper, another fact. What was the strawman?  Your opinion of what is going on behind the scenes with Nvidia and EVGA is just that. EVGA has always had a price premium over Gigabyte. Isn't that a strawman that has nothing to do with EVGA, anyway? And if you don't mind, I'll move on when I feel like it and make whatever arguments I like. I expect you'd  demand the same courtesy, right.

Nope, don't need you to explain anything I have posted. This is the 2nd time you have taken this thread off topic with your arguing with straw man arguments. If you're fine with the prices EVGA has in their store, state it and move on, it's that easy.

Then why did you ask me to explain? This is the second time you have used the term 'strawman' incorrectly.  If you're unable defend your arguments, fine. Do not misrepresent mine. Just admit you can't and move on. It's that easy. If I knew this was going to be solely a  'Kram's thread to complain about EVGA's pricing and anyone who disagrees can shut up and go away while I cry', instead of the DISCUSSION thread you claimed somebody else asked you to make, I never would have replied. My bad. Hows that for a "strawman". I'll leave you to your angst.

Your arguments are straw man arguments. Gigabyte makes non reference high end video cards just as good as EVGA's cards, yet you can get them through Newegg cheaper then EVGA cards direct from EVGA's own store. Gigabyte does not get their gpu's from nVidia any cheaper then EVGA does. You used the excuse that EVGA has always had a price premium over Gigabyte, which isn't true, just a straw man argument. Are you happy with EVGA's current store prices?

I didn't bring up Gigabyte, you did. You're literally blaming me for YOUR strawman.  Then you make a bunch of claims regarding prices which you cannot know (a mistake you made before that I clearly pointed out) and you've turned this thread into your personal vendetta over EVGA's pricing and accuse them alone of scalping based on your opinions. That's fine, just stop claiming you're arguing with facts versus your opinion.  I'm neither happy or unhappy. I recognize EVGA is a business with costs. Nor am I accusing EVGA of being unethical and telling others who disagree with me to go away and shut up.
But, that's just me.

Let's pleaes everyone pause and breath through our noses for a moment.  
 
How about we get back to some questions that we can all offer our thoughts on:
 
Q1:  Should EVGA have made the decision to 1) raise their MSRP on GPUs on EVGA's direct sales web site or 2) keep them the same?
My Answer:  I think yes (choice #1), because the decision aligns to market forces (supply & demand) and competitive pricing for EVGA GPUs in high demand.  The alternative (choice #2) would be a nice gesture on the part of EVGA to keep their prices but would do nothing to either help or hurt the supply problem ... but it would hurt EVGA's bottom line.  Again, I'm a bit partial, but I want EVGA to be competive against it's main competitors (ASUS and Gigabyte in particular) so that I can continue to buy EVGA GPUs for decades to come.
 
Q2:  Was the amount/price that EVGA raised their GPUs 1) "fair" to consumers/customers or 2) "unfair"?
My Answer:  I think yes (the amount raised was "fair"), especially when compared to competitor pricing for comparable level GPUs.  I also think "yes" because it sends a signal to the broader market acknowledging higher prices for GPUs but at the same time signals that those prices are still to high (as compared to the revised MSRP).
 
Q3:  Could EVGA do anything else to help EVGA customers/consumers to be able to buy EVGA GPUs at closer to MSRP?  If so, what's your idea?
My Answer:  I think yes.  Offering direct sales pricing is nice, but as we've all seen, those products "fly off the shelves" pretty quickly.  I'm wondering if EVGA would be amenable to a bulk purchase deal/pricing through something like MassDrop ... to help lock in a slightly lower than MSRP price but at the same time reach more EVGA gamers.  I have seen MSI and Gigabyte and ASUS 10-series GPUs offered and talked about far more on MassDrop than EVGA, so I've started a MassDrop poll to see if there is bulk interest in purchasing EVGA GPUs (my gut tells me the answer is "yes").  It would have to be the right series (select 1060, 1070, or 1080 models), but I can imagine a deal with competitive pricing that could make a lot of EVGA Gamers happy.  Just a thought/idea.  (plus it bothers me that I've seen MSI & Asus & Gigabyte offers on MassDrop and zero from EVGA ... and I think/believe EVGA has better GPUs).
 
So how would you answer these questions:
- Q1:  Should EVGA have made the decision to 1) raise their MSRP on GPUs on EVGA's direct sales web site or 2) keep them the same?
- Q2:  Was the amount/price that EVGA raised their GPUs 1) "fair" to consumers/customers or 2) "unfair"?
- Q3:  Could EVGA do anything else to help EVGA customers/consumers to be able to buy EVGA GPUs at closer to MSRP?  If so, what's your idea?
 
 

The biggest issue for the consumer is that EVGA only allows 1 per household, so it's not like the same people are getting these cards before other people can get them.
 
My one defense of EVGA charging a higher price is if EVGA is only getting a limited amount before the next gen cards come out. EVGA still has bills to pay, plus they need R&D money and if they only have a limited supply of cards to offer, they need to raise the prices.

- Q1:  Should EVGA have made the decision to 1) raise their MSRP on GPUs on EVGA's direct sales website or 2) keep them the same?
They should have kept prices for general consumers on the old level. The old prices would make them profit, what they charge now just makes them ultra profit. It is not like if they start charging MSRP again - they'll go broke. 

- Q2:  Was the amount/price that EVGA raised their GPUs 1) "fair" to consumers/customers or 2) "unfair"?
Unfair. I understand it from the standpoint "grab as much as you can while you can" but it does not make it right.
 
Profit does not justify everything, in my opinion. More extreme example - jacking up prices for life-saving drugs. Is it ok to let people die while you make money? Just because you can, does not mean you should.
 
Yes, EVGA will make some extra buck on the hipe, but they will undermine the trust of their base, which will hurt them in a long run.  

- Q3:  Could EVGA do anything else to help EVGA customers/consumers to be able to buy EVGA GPUs at closer to MSRP?  If so, what's your idea?

• Connect with miners, ask them what they care about (Memory? Bandwidth?), and manufacture card specifically for them. Charge $100,000 for all I care. Just like Nvidia makes Quadro for people who are pros, charging them x10 for the same hardware and GForce for everybody else. 
• Make specific cards for bulk order, and the rest make one per household. Miners will go for bulk models (charge them what you want), the rest will have their one per household, because that is all they need really. 

kram36

HeavyHemi

kram36

HeavyHemi

kram36

AHowes

kram36

AHowes
Buy a GPU from newegg?? And other then evga? No thanks.. no returns at newegg and one would be crazy to possibly deal with another company if it comes time to rma.

Then the higher prices at EVGA's store are justified for you.

Last 10 series card I purchased was the EVGA GTX 1060 06G-P4-6768-KR I purchased at Newegg for $289.99

I buy from microcenter whenever possible as it's way too easy to return or exchange anything there!

There's 6 evga ftw3 non hybrids there atm for $1079.99.

Though the last card "evga ftw3 hybrid" I bought at evga for $860 plus shipping maybe 2 months ago.

I believe evga will charge 25% for returns.

Not everyone has a Micro Center next to them.
 

HeavyHemi
You want me to explain your argument then claim I am the one making a 'strawman argument'? Evga is dependent on Nvidia, a fact. volume gets EVGA parts cheaper, another fact. What was the strawman?  Your opinion of what is going on behind the scenes with Nvidia and EVGA is just that. EVGA has always had a price premium over Gigabyte. Isn't that a strawman that has nothing to do with EVGA, anyway? And if you don't mind, I'll move on when I feel like it and make whatever arguments I like. I expect you'd  demand the same courtesy, right.

Nope, don't need you to explain anything I have posted. This is the 2nd time you have taken this thread off topic with your arguing with straw man arguments. If you're fine with the prices EVGA has in their store, state it and move on, it's that easy.

Then why did you ask me to explain? This is the second time you have used the term 'strawman' incorrectly.  If you're unable defend your arguments, fine. Do not misrepresent mine. Just admit you can't and move on. It's that easy. If I knew this was going to be solely a  'Kram's thread to complain about EVGA's pricing and anyone who disagrees can shut up and go away while I cry', instead of the DISCUSSION thread you claimed somebody else asked you to make, I never would have replied. My bad. Hows that for a "strawman". I'll leave you to your angst.

Your arguments are straw man arguments. Gigabyte makes non reference high end video cards just as good as EVGA's cards, yet you can get them through Newegg cheaper then EVGA cards direct from EVGA's own store. Gigabyte does not get their gpu's from nVidia any cheaper then EVGA does. You used the excuse that EVGA has always had a price premium over Gigabyte, which isn't true, just a straw man argument. Are you happy with EVGA's current store prices?

I didn't bring up Gigabyte, you did. You're literally blaming me for YOUR strawman.  Then you make a bunch of claims regarding prices which you cannot know (a mistake you made before that I clearly pointed out) and you've turned this thread into your personal vendetta over EVGA's pricing and accuse them alone of scalping based on your opinions. That's fine, just stop claiming you're arguing with facts versus your opinion.  I'm neither happy or unhappy. I recognize EVGA is a business with costs. Nor am I accusing EVGA of being unethical and telling others who disagree with me to go away and shut up.
But, that's just me.

Oh Lord. My bringing up Gigabyte is a point of reference, you're saying EVGA cards always had a premium price over Gigabyte is a straw man argument. I never said that EVGA's pricing is unethical, don't put words in my mouth. I can actually make a good argument for EVGA raising the prices.

Yes, as I said you brought up Gigabyte as a point of reference as I said. (Which I'm repeating again) Pointing out Gigabyte has historically been at a lower price point as a data point, isn't a strawman. It is a direct response to your pricing claim and complaints. (Another repeat) I don't think you know what the term means. If you can make a 'good argument' for EVGA raising prices (which I'm sure is very similar to everyone else's) why are you complaining?  When you said EVGA is SCALPING that is the same thing as claiming they are UNETHICAL. If you had not made that argument, I would not be calling you out for it. You have an odd habit of denying your own arguments then accusing others of arguments they are NOT making.   But any way, as you said there are good arguments for them raising prices, you've stated your opinion and can just...you know...move on.

a11out

dugoth
There are a whole lot of assumptions being made by folks without really sufficient information I think. To make a graphics card, other than basic raw metal materials, each AIB is also going to need to provision the GPU from Nvidia, GDDR, various onboard chips, capacitors, etc. Each AIB is going to have their own independent contract with the sources for these materials which may or may not include better prices, adjustments for variations, or guarantees of certain volumes at certain prices. Assuming all AIB's generally have the same agreement with Nvidia for the actual GPU and licensing there are still too many variables between AIB agreements to be able to say, for example, EVGA should be cheaper than Gigabyte at all times, and Gigabyte totally couldn't have gotten extra stock or supply, or have banked some extra supply for shortages at lower prices, etcetcetc.
 
Basically we'll never know what agreement each of these AIBs have with their suppliers or any real sense of their given profit margins at any given point to be able to compare them directly or say one is more unfair than the other. I don't think it will help anything to try comparing AIB A to AIB B because there just isn't enough information. I'd be more curious to look at the public 10-K reports from the companies posted to the SEC to see how their profits quarter to quarter have compared over the last couple years. That may be a better indicator of how "fair" they're being to consumers during these interesting times.

I hear what you are saying, but the current shinanigan with GPU looks to me like a classic price gauging in response to extremely high demand. Also, it looks like it is happening on the distribution end. For example, Amazon and Newegg sell EVGA cards for 100-200 dollars more than EVGN itself. Clearly, sellers are just trying to screw the customers over, using the market conditions. The main proof I have to support my point is that Nvidia STILL sells small bunches of 1080ti for nominal $699. Those bunches are gone instantly though.

Nvidia can sell on their site for MSRP because, they are the MSRP... The tiny amount they sell on their webstore is worth the miniscule loss in revenue that increasing the price would lose them negative publicity. As long as they dribble out a few every now and then, they can plead innocence.

HeavyHemi

kram36

HeavyHemi

kram36

HeavyHemi

kram36

AHowes

kram36

AHowes
Buy a GPU from newegg?? And other then evga? No thanks.. no returns at newegg and one would be crazy to possibly deal with another company if it comes time to rma.

Then the higher prices at EVGA's store are justified for you.

Last 10 series card I purchased was the EVGA GTX 1060 06G-P4-6768-KR I purchased at Newegg for $289.99

I buy from microcenter whenever possible as it's way too easy to return or exchange anything there!

There's 6 evga ftw3 non hybrids there atm for $1079.99.

Though the last card "evga ftw3 hybrid" I bought at evga for $860 plus shipping maybe 2 months ago.

I believe evga will charge 25% for returns.

Not everyone has a Micro Center next to them.
 

HeavyHemi
You want me to explain your argument then claim I am the one making a 'strawman argument'? Evga is dependent on Nvidia, a fact. volume gets EVGA parts cheaper, another fact. What was the strawman?  Your opinion of what is going on behind the scenes with Nvidia and EVGA is just that. EVGA has always had a price premium over Gigabyte. Isn't that a strawman that has nothing to do with EVGA, anyway? And if you don't mind, I'll move on when I feel like it and make whatever arguments I like. I expect you'd  demand the same courtesy, right.

Nope, don't need you to explain anything I have posted. This is the 2nd time you have taken this thread off topic with your arguing with straw man arguments. If you're fine with the prices EVGA has in their store, state it and move on, it's that easy.

Then why did you ask me to explain? This is the second time you have used the term 'strawman' incorrectly.  If you're unable defend your arguments, fine. Do not misrepresent mine. Just admit you can't and move on. It's that easy. If I knew this was going to be solely a  'Kram's thread to complain about EVGA's pricing and anyone who disagrees can shut up and go away while I cry', instead of the DISCUSSION thread you claimed somebody else asked you to make, I never would have replied. My bad. Hows that for a "strawman". I'll leave you to your angst.

Your arguments are straw man arguments. Gigabyte makes non reference high end video cards just as good as EVGA's cards, yet you can get them through Newegg cheaper then EVGA cards direct from EVGA's own store. Gigabyte does not get their gpu's from nVidia any cheaper then EVGA does. You used the excuse that EVGA has always had a price premium over Gigabyte, which isn't true, just a straw man argument. Are you happy with EVGA's current store prices?

I didn't bring up Gigabyte, you did. You're literally blaming me for YOUR strawman.  Then you make a bunch of claims regarding prices which you cannot know (a mistake you made before that I clearly pointed out) and you've turned this thread into your personal vendetta over EVGA's pricing and accuse them alone of scalping based on your opinions. That's fine, just stop claiming you're arguing with facts versus your opinion.  I'm neither happy or unhappy. I recognize EVGA is a business with costs. Nor am I accusing EVGA of being unethical and telling others who disagree with me to go away and shut up.
But, that's just me.

Oh Lord. My bringing up Gigabyte is a point of reference, you're saying EVGA cards always had a premium price over Gigabyte is a straw man argument. I never said that EVGA's pricing is unethical, don't put words in my mouth. I can actually make a good argument for EVGA raising the prices.

Yes, as I said you brought up Gigabyte as a point of reference as I said. (Which I'm repeating again) Pointing out Gigabyte has historically been at a lower price point as a data point, isn't a strawman. It is a direct response to your pricing claim and complaints. (Another repeat) I don't think you know what the term means. If you can make a 'good argument' for EVGA raising prices (which I'm sure is very similar to everyone else's) why are you complaining?  When you said EVGA is SCALPING that is the same thing as claiming they are UNETHICAL. If you had not made that argument, I would not be calling you out for it. You have an odd habit of denying your own arguments then accusing others of arguments they are NOT making.   But any way, as you said there are good arguments for them raising prices, you've stated your opinion and can just...you know...move on.

All you have is straw man arguments. Just because you believe Gigabyte to be a lower tier company, it justifies EVGA prices. EVGA has raised prices from $200 to $300 depending on the model. You're the one who thinks scalping videos cards is unethical, I see it as taking an opportunity to increase your profit. It's only unethical for items people are in need to live. I've scalped rock concert ticket, nothing unethical about that. The people wanted what I had and were willing to pay the price and their life did not depend on them getting the tickets. But any way, as you said you are "neither happy or unhappy" with EVGA's prices, you've stated your opinion and can just...you know...move on.

a11out
- Q3:  Could EVGA do anything else to help EVGA customers/consumers to be able to buy EVGA GPUs at closer to MSRP?  If so, what's your idea?

• Connect with miners, ask them what they care about (Memory? Bandwidth?), and manufacture card specifically for them. Charge $100,000 for all I care. Just like Nvidia makes Quadro for people who are pros, charging them x10 for the same hardware and GForce for everybody else. 
• Make specific cards for bulk order, and the rest make one per household. Miners will go for bulk models (charge them what you want), the rest will have their one per household, because that is all they need really. 

I think this is already in the works ... both by Nvidia and by some AIB makers (that is making separate/distinct GPU boards tailored for 1) gamers and 2) miners)  ... will depend if the altcoin industry remains viable--who knows.

sleevo
hurry !!!
https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=11G-P4-6796-K2

Savage!

kram36

HeavyHemi

kram36

HeavyHemi

kram36

HeavyHemi

kram36

AHowes

kram36

AHowes
Buy a GPU from newegg?? And other then evga? No thanks.. no returns at newegg and one would be crazy to possibly deal with another company if it comes time to rma.

Then the higher prices at EVGA's store are justified for you.

Last 10 series card I purchased was the EVGA GTX 1060 06G-P4-6768-KR I purchased at Newegg for $289.99

I buy from microcenter whenever possible as it's way too easy to return or exchange anything there!

There's 6 evga ftw3 non hybrids there atm for $1079.99.

Though the last card "evga ftw3 hybrid" I bought at evga for $860 plus shipping maybe 2 months ago.

I believe evga will charge 25% for returns.

Not everyone has a Micro Center next to them.
 

HeavyHemi
You want me to explain your argument then claim I am the one making a 'strawman argument'? Evga is dependent on Nvidia, a fact. volume gets EVGA parts cheaper, another fact. What was the strawman?  Your opinion of what is going on behind the scenes with Nvidia and EVGA is just that. EVGA has always had a price premium over Gigabyte. Isn't that a strawman that has nothing to do with EVGA, anyway? And if you don't mind, I'll move on when I feel like it and make whatever arguments I like. I expect you'd  demand the same courtesy, right.

Nope, don't need you to explain anything I have posted. This is the 2nd time you have taken this thread off topic with your arguing with straw man arguments. If you're fine with the prices EVGA has in their store, state it and move on, it's that easy.

Then why did you ask me to explain? This is the second time you have used the term 'strawman' incorrectly.  If you're unable defend your arguments, fine. Do not misrepresent mine. Just admit you can't and move on. It's that easy. If I knew this was going to be solely a  'Kram's thread to complain about EVGA's pricing and anyone who disagrees can shut up and go away while I cry', instead of the DISCUSSION thread you claimed somebody else asked you to make, I never would have replied. My bad. Hows that for a "strawman". I'll leave you to your angst.

Your arguments are straw man arguments. Gigabyte makes non reference high end video cards just as good as EVGA's cards, yet you can get them through Newegg cheaper then EVGA cards direct from EVGA's own store. Gigabyte does not get their gpu's from nVidia any cheaper then EVGA does. You used the excuse that EVGA has always had a price premium over Gigabyte, which isn't true, just a straw man argument. Are you happy with EVGA's current store prices?

I didn't bring up Gigabyte, you did. You're literally blaming me for YOUR strawman.  Then you make a bunch of claims regarding prices which you cannot know (a mistake you made before that I clearly pointed out) and you've turned this thread into your personal vendetta over EVGA's pricing and accuse them alone of scalping based on your opinions. That's fine, just stop claiming you're arguing with facts versus your opinion.  I'm neither happy or unhappy. I recognize EVGA is a business with costs. Nor am I accusing EVGA of being unethical and telling others who disagree with me to go away and shut up.
But, that's just me.

Oh Lord. My bringing up Gigabyte is a point of reference, you're saying EVGA cards always had a premium price over Gigabyte is a straw man argument. I never said that EVGA's pricing is unethical, don't put words in my mouth. I can actually make a good argument for EVGA raising the prices.

Yes, as I said you brought up Gigabyte as a point of reference as I said. (Which I'm repeating again) Pointing out Gigabyte has historically been at a lower price point as a data point, isn't a strawman. It is a direct response to your pricing claim and complaints. (Another repeat) I don't think you know what the term means. If you can make a 'good argument' for EVGA raising prices (which I'm sure is very similar to everyone else's) why are you complaining?  When you said EVGA is SCALPING that is the same thing as claiming they are UNETHICAL. If you had not made that argument, I would not be calling you out for it. You have an odd habit of denying your own arguments then accusing others of arguments they are NOT making.   But any way, as you said there are good arguments for them raising prices, you've stated your opinion and can just...you know...move on.

All you have is straw man arguments. Just because you believe Gigabyte to be a lower tier company, it justifies EVGA prices. EVGA has raised prices from $200 to $300 depending on the model. You're the one who thinks scalping videos cards is unethical, I see it as taking an opportunity to increase your profit. It's only unethical for items people are in need to live. I've scalped rock concert ticket, nothing unethical about that. The people wanted what I had and were willing to pay the price and their life did not depend on them getting the tickets. But any way, as you said you are "neither happy or unhappy" with EVGA's prices, you've stated your opinion and can just...you know...move on.

By using that term again, 'straw man', you're clearly just trying to troll for a reaction. Grow up.
 

HeavyHemi
Still available kids!
 
https://www.evga.com/prod...aspx?pn=11G-P4-6796-K2

Either EVGA has a large stock of these cards or people are not buying as they have been in stock for several days now.

a11out

HeavyHemi
Still available kids!
 
 

Wasn't this one $850 or so at some point? I was building a VR machine for my office about 7 months back, and I put FTW3 in it too. I'd swear I reported less than $900 for it.

Yup, Amazon was selling the FTW3 for $749.99 April 24, 2017. EVGA's current pricing is absurd.

kram36
 
Either EVGA has a large stock of these cards or people are not buying as they have been in stock for several days now.

As I mention before, EVGA finally hit the point where most are hesitant to buy and only the few willing to spend the absurd price.  It takes a few hours to days to sell out their card that used to last a few minutes and most a few hours.  Bottom line, if people are still willing to pay the absurd prices, EVGA won't lower it.  Most companies will take advantage of the demand right now to maximize profits and all it just leaves are bad taste to the consumer's mouth.

I think the super high prices we are seeing is going to create a boon to the used GPU market. I'm seeing a lot of used 1080ti's starting to show up on my local Craigslist in the $800 range. There are even new cards available for that price. Also it seems like a lot of guys were dabling in the Crypto currency thing and decided it wasn't worth the effort or time for the profit margins. A lot of the used cards are saying "only 2 months old".:)