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Re: Conversations over pricing and how it could impact customers 2018/04/04 14:18:50 (permalink)
It's a great card. I have one of them and think I'm going to wait for Next Gen to upgrade my other system. That gaming x 1080ti that I have will run 2025 megahertz under 60c gaming ff15 or d2 or creed at 4k. Highest I ever see is 57c with 60 percent fans and the fans are dead quiet. One thing I like about this card over the ftw3 is you can use afterburner and have full functionality. The ftw3 marries you to precision x Which is less than popular with many of us
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Re: Conversations over pricing and how it could impact customers 2018/04/04 20:19:02 (permalink)
I'll bend over backward next gen to avoid EVGA.  Their direct pricing late this generation is ridiculous.
 
I have a card that's step-up eligible for 20 more days, but the 1080 Ti is $919 and it's not even a FTW card.  Just grabbed a second FE from Nvidia this week for $699 so I'm pretty well setup now anyways.
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Re: Conversations over pricing and how it could impact customers 2018/04/05 06:06:52 (permalink)
i find it very disheartening that evga is gouging price on gpu's, the kinpin card has went up $300 and even lower tiered cards like the 1080 ftw2 has went up $150 from when i bought mine in early december. thats a very fast way to make even the most loyal customers not buy anymore cards from them. 

                               
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Re: Conversations over pricing and how it could impact customers 2018/04/05 08:08:43 (permalink)
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Wow, the mood here sure has changed. It wasn't that long ago when we are all excited with anticipation waiting for more cards to come in. Now EVGA has a ton of stock and not a peep from anyone.lol



Good. No offense to EVGA but the prices are just silly at this point. If people are willing to pay them more power to them but this should not be acceptable or be considered the ''new norm''. I can certainly afford to pay it but I refuse to that much since its so inflated. I cannot wait until crypto crashes even further and people eat their loses since they caused the gouging. I got out when the getting was good.


Meanwhile we are seeing some deals already start to pop up at reasonable prices
 
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1080ti gaming x new in box for 799
That's a great price and a really nice card from what I hear.




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Re: Conversations over pricing and how it could impact customers 2018/04/05 08:10:56 (permalink)
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i find it very disheartening that evga is gouging price on gpu's, the kinpin card has went up $300 and even lower tiered cards like the 1080 ftw2 has went up $150 from when i bought mine in early december. thats a very fast way to make even the most loyal customers not buy anymore cards from them. 


yup, eVga has been my goto since early 2000s starting with a GF2 MX400 "Diamond Viper V330 before that"..  I'm having a hard time deciding if I will buy from them again.. its one thing to see amazon/newegg vendors ripping off customers, it's another thing entirely to see the gouging factory direct. And no, the price increase of memory DID NOT raise the BOM $300!

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Re: Conversations over pricing and how it could impact customers 2018/04/05 08:43:22 (permalink)
I first came to EVGA yesterday when I was going to buy a new 1080 Ti, they were in stock but I let EVGA down and feel they let me down by pricing, I went with the Zotac Amp! Extreme Core for 929 on Newegg.

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Re: Conversations over pricing and how it could impact customers 2018/04/05 10:37:37 (permalink)
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Wow, the mood here sure has changed. It wasn't that long ago when we are all excited with anticipation waiting for more cards to come in. Now EVGA has a ton of stock and not a peep from anyone.lol



Good. No offense to EVGA but the prices are just silly at this point. If people are willing to pay them more power to them but this should not be acceptable or be considered the ''new norm''. I can certainly afford to pay it but I refuse to that much since its so inflated. I cannot wait until crypto crashes even further and people eat their loses since they caused the gouging. I got out when the getting was good.


Meanwhile we are seeing some deals already start to pop up at reasonable prices
 
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1080ti gaming x new in box for 799
That's a great price and a really nice card from what I hear.




I don't buy off of ebay. Period.
I have actually had pretty good luck recently buying cards on eBay. I purchased both a GTX 760 4 gigger and a GTX 980ti. Both cards were used and work perfectly. I sold the 760 and currently run the 980ti. I love it's performance. The only card that I wasn't happy with was a GTX 1080ti FTW3 that I bought and returned. I just couldn't accept the price I paid. It felt like I paid too much for a used card and also couldn't get games to run smoothly with it. I was getting a lot of hitching/dropped frames and it didn't seem to work well with my G-sync 144hz monitor. The seller said it was used for mining.
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Re: Conversations over pricing and how it could impact customers 2018/04/05 11:32:59 (permalink)
EBay buying is a gamble. But if you know what to look for regarding scamers, you'll be OK. Always ask the seller a question about the item and see if and how they respond.

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Re: Conversations over pricing and how it could impact customers 2018/04/05 11:50:01 (permalink)
*sarcasm* what price gouge? */sarcasm*
 
EVGA EU store price for EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 DT GAMING, 11G-P4-6694-KR is 1.099,99
EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 GAMING, 11G-P4-6696-KR 1.029,99
 
Only 70€ difference, and inferior product of the two cost more
 
Lucky that i dont need to upgrade gfx card for few years
 
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Re: Conversations over pricing and how it could impact customers 2018/04/05 11:54:30 (permalink)
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what price gouge?

Is that a serious question?
 
 

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Re: Conversations over pricing and how it could impact customers 2018/04/05 12:11:37 (permalink)
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what price gouge?

Is that a serious question?
 
 
Yea, and the irony is the custom cards are supposed to be cheaper than the Founders.lol I know EVGA likes to charge extra for their fancy coolers and sensors but come on.;)
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Re: Conversations over pricing and how it could impact customers 2018/04/06 01:43:02 (permalink)
Thought I'd chime in here, although if I'm being truthful I doubt I'll be contributing anything much of value as its almost all been said by now.
 
I purchased my EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 SC GAMING ACX 3.0 card back in June 2016 at $439.99 from a reputable retailer, new in box of course.
That very same card, from that very same retailer (not a reseller/marketplace seller), today, ALMOST 2 YEARS LATER, is priced at $559.99.
 
I've been a PC gamer since 1990, and have owned GPU's since 1999 (with the release of Everquest).  That's almost 20 years now.  Never in that 20 years have I seen the price of a 2 year old GPU rise upwards of 30% from the date of original release - they've always HALVED in price (or more) given that time frame.  To claim I am disgusted at the current state of the market, GPU manufacturers, and people that call themselves "miners" would be a monumental understatement.
 
To be clear - the fault doesn't lie with any particular manufacturer or retailer alone.  Having said that, I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that the entire industry is absolutely giddy with glee given the events that have led up to the current state.  Yes, yes, I know about supply and demand, the tenants of capitalism and a free-market economy and all that.  But, as a gamer that has always been on a modest budget, I'm pretty mortified of what the future holds.  I'm going to have to look for a new hobby if this bubble doesn't pop soon - and I really don't want that.  Heck, even if the bubble does pop, the damage has already been done.  I can't imagine manufacturers ever going back to "normal" after having raked in so much more per unit for so long. :(
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Re: Conversations over pricing and how it could impact customers 2018/04/06 02:25:56 (permalink)
kinda want the 1080 dude it comes with an awesome block on it...I guess it's G1/4 and comes with fittings and I got tubing. 
That pricing is a lot better dude worth considering. 
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Re: Conversations over pricing and how it could impact customers 2018/04/06 02:38:01 (permalink)
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kinda want the 1080 dude it comes with an awesome block on it...I guess it's G1/4 and comes with fittings and I got tubing. 
That pricing is a lot better dude worth considering. 




Cards never come with fittings ... wouldn't make any sense, since there are pretty much no "universal" fittings for various sizes and materials...

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Re: Conversations over pricing and how it could impact customers 2018/04/06 02:56:46 (permalink)
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kinda want the 1080 dude it comes with an awesome block on it...I guess it's G1/4 and comes with fittings and I got tubing. 
That pricing is a lot better dude worth considering. 




Cards never come with fittings ... wouldn't make any sense, since there are pretty much no "universal" fittings for various sizes and materials...




Well hell I didn't know...can always get the fittings...I'm guessing it would do fine obviously with 3/8-1/2. 
Not really needed though 1060 is still ok and does largely of what I ask. 
 
Should just go ahead move from 2k to 4k...there's still stuff could run at 4k with it even...
 
seems like the delid job was so so...ran pretty cool for about few days, now it's kinda hotter again...I don't know might have to put thicker layer on. 
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Re: Conversations over pricing and how it could impact customers 2018/04/06 03:59:24 (permalink)
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kinda want the 1080 dude it comes with an awesome block on it...I guess it's G1/4 and comes with fittings and I got tubing. 
That pricing is a lot better dude worth considering. 




Cards never come with fittings ... wouldn't make any sense, since there are pretty much no "universal" fittings for various sizes and materials...




Well hell I didn't know...can always get the fittings...I'm guessing it would do fine obviously with 3/8-1/2. 
Not really needed though 1060 is still ok and does largely of what I ask. 
 
Should just go ahead move from 2k to 4k...there's still stuff could run at 4k with it even...
 
seems like the delid job was so so...ran pretty cool for about few days, now it's kinda hotter again...I don't know might have to put thicker layer on. 




The threading is G1/4 the rest is always up to you, what inner diameter you want and what outer diameter. What type of connection / fittings you want, if you want hard tubing or soft tubing, glass or PETG etc etc etc

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Re: Conversations over pricing and how it could impact customers 2018/04/06 09:17:16 (permalink)
I have bought a new card in every new lineup on launch day.  If the prices of the new graphics cards exceed $900 and have less than a 25% increase in performance over the 1080ti, I will not buy a new card from the next series.  What a shame.  I'll actually keep my card until the warranty expires - lol. 

 
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Re: Conversations over pricing and how it could impact customers 2018/04/06 11:02:05 (permalink)
Not sure if a trend yet - but encouraging.  Sorry, need to post 5 more times to put links..
 
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Mid-range graphics cards also saw price drops, in fact nearly every single mid-range to high-end graphics card that we could find on Amazon had declined in price by anywhere between 15-30%, with an average price drop of around 25%.

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Re: Conversations over pricing and how it could impact customers 2018/04/06 12:01:21 (permalink)
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Not sure if a trend yet - but encouraging.  Sorry, need to post 5 more times to put links..
 
NVIDIA & AMD GPU Prices Drop ~25% in March, Supply Normalizing - WCCFTECH
Today, and for the first time in several months, we are happy to report that we come bearing good news. Supply is finally beginning to pick back up and prices are finally starting to come back down to levels of sanity. During March alone, we saw prices come down by as much as a third on high-end graphics cards, such as NVIDIA’s GTX 1080 Ti and AMD’s RX Vega 64.  
 
Mid-range graphics cards also saw price drops, in fact nearly every single mid-range to high-end graphics card that we could find on Amazon had declined in price by anywhere between 15-30%, with an average price drop of around 25%.



I wonder if that is just third party sellers starting to lower their prices because EVGA certainly hasn't started dropping their prices on cards.:(
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Re: Conversations over pricing and how it could impact customers 2018/04/06 12:18:21 (permalink)
You can build your own graphs on CamelCamelCamel.com - like an EVGA GTX 1080 for example .  Pricing is for Amazon - but you can select to add 3rd party New as well...
 
or NowInStock.net /computers / videocards can show you current and pricing histories..including on EVGA cards...
 
edit: DOH nevermind. still not letting me do links...sorry..
 
 
 
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Re: Conversations over pricing and how it could impact customers 2018/04/06 13:43:38 (permalink)
the great used card flood is starting. ebay used prices on 1070s are in the 4s, brand new 1080ti 699-799, saw a 1080 new in box 499
 
GPU mining is only worth doing basically as a hobby now to make a couple dollars a month on your gaming rig. ROI on multi card setups doesn't exist. it's 500+ days best case making the antminer l3+ and s9 much better values
 
 
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Re: Conversations over pricing and how it could impact customers 2018/04/06 16:14:03 (permalink)
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the great used card flood is starting. ebay used prices on 1070s are in the 4s, brand new 1080ti 699-799, saw a 1080 new in box 499
 
GPU mining is only worth doing basically as a hobby now to make a couple dollars a month on your gaming rig. ROI on multi card setups doesn't exist. it's 500+ days best case making the antminer l3+ and s9 much better values
 
 


Wow, your right. There is a guy that is selling used GTX 1080ti FTW3's for $700 USD. This is what I want to pay for a new one at this point. This is just the beginning, I suspect and with all of the used cards about to flood the market I think the new card market has no choice but to fall. Good I say.:) 
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Re: Conversations over pricing and how it could impact customers 2018/04/06 16:35:46 (permalink)
Let's all hope that gpu prices come down
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Re: Conversations over pricing and how it could impact customers 2018/04/06 16:45:25 (permalink)
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the great used card flood is starting. ebay used prices on 1070s are in the 4s, brand new 1080ti 699-799, saw a 1080 new in box 499
 
GPU mining is only worth doing basically as a hobby now to make a couple dollars a month on your gaming rig. ROI on multi card setups doesn't exist. it's 500+ days best case making the antminer l3+ and s9 much better values
 
 


Wow, your right. There is a guy that is selling used GTX 1080ti FTW3's for $700 USD. This is what I want to pay for a new one at this point. This is just the beginning, I suspect and with all of the used cards about to flood the market I think the new card market has no choice but to fall. Good I say.:) 


Mmm don't see it happening. 799 maybe. The thing is the closer we keep getting to next generation release the less you're going to even want a 1080ti. It was the same with the 980ti. When they actually sold cheap there was no reason to buy one. A guy was selling new in box gaming x 1080ti for 799 yesterday. Personally I would rather have that card over in FTW simply because you can use afterburner and heatsink is massive. Ftw3 marries you to precision x
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Re: Conversations over pricing and how it could impact customers 2018/04/06 19:05:48 (permalink)
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... Personally I would rather have that card over in FTW simply because you can use afterburner and heatsink is massive. Ftw3 marries you to precision x



Not true that you have to rely on XOC to run an EVGA FTW card. Set the bios switch to "slave" and all 3 fans will run. Now use MSI AB to set your fan curve and all 3 fans should follow that curve.

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Re: Conversations over pricing and how it could impact customers 2018/04/06 19:20:39 (permalink)
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the great used card flood is starting. ebay used prices on 1070s are in the 4s, brand new 1080ti 699-799, saw a 1080 new in box 499
 
GPU mining is only worth doing basically as a hobby now to make a couple dollars a month on your gaming rig. ROI on multi card setups doesn't exist. it's 500+ days best case making the antminer l3+ and s9 much better values
 
 


Wow, your right. There is a guy that is selling used GTX 1080ti FTW3's for $700 USD. This is what I want to pay for a new one at this point. This is just the beginning, I suspect and with all of the used cards about to flood the market I think the new card market has no choice but to fall. Good I say.:) 


Mmm don't see it happening. 799 maybe. The thing is the closer we keep getting to next generation release the less you're going to even want a 1080ti. It was the same with the 980ti. When they actually sold cheap there was no reason to buy one. A guy was selling new in box gaming x 1080ti for 799 yesterday. Personally I would rather have that card over in FTW simply because you can use afterburner and heatsink is massive. Ftw3 marries you to precision x
I could probably live with that price for a new one.;) I'm not going higher though with next gen looming over the horizon.


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Re: Conversations over pricing and how it could impact customers 2018/04/06 19:31:10 (permalink)
what a deal. price wars. marketing. this might be a weird post. but whatever. i keep getting this picture when i watch these prices move around. i see a bunch of chickens fenced off. then some farmer throws some feed into the fenced off area. and the chickens all run like crazy. every now and then. some chicken finds a choice morsel. and runs off flapping its wings. look what i got.. the happy looser. let it be. let it be. there will be an answer. care.
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Re: Conversations over pricing and how it could impact customers 2018/04/06 19:37:44 (permalink)
You're looking at a $20-40 increase in RAM prices for manufacturers per GPU, however the prices were raised by $200+. The gouge is real and it's disappointing. 
 
 
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Re: Conversations over pricing and how it could impact customers 2018/04/06 19:48:20 (permalink)
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You're looking at a $20-40 increase in RAM prices for manufacturers per GPU, however the prices were raised by $200+. The gouge is real and it's disappointing. 
 
 
Yup, and they do it because they can. We are responsible for the current prices. If people stop paying they will come down. I will set the example and refuse to pay.
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Re: Conversations over pricing and how it could impact customers 2018/04/06 22:02:58 (permalink)
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the great used card flood is starting. ebay used prices on 1070s are in the 4s, brand new 1080ti 699-799, saw a 1080 new in box 499
 
GPU mining is only worth doing basically as a hobby now to make a couple dollars a month on your gaming rig. ROI on multi card setups doesn't exist. it's 500+ days best case making the antminer l3+ and s9 much better values
 
 


Wow, your right. There is a guy that is selling used GTX 1080ti FTW3's for $700 USD. This is what I want to pay for a new one at this point. This is just the beginning, I suspect and with all of the used cards about to flood the market I think the new card market has no choice but to fall. Good I say.:) 


I see several used GTX 1070's on eBay's Buy It Now for under $400 shipped right now.
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